Urban Meyer and QBs

[Beatle Bum]

Cardale Jones is taking a bit of a beating by NFL analysts. Did he develop under Meyer?

Has Meyer developed a QB into something better than he was before being tutored by the coach? Alex Smith? Is that Meyer's only accomplishment?

I loved watching Tebow in that offense, but did Meyer improve him or just ride him to wins? And, I cannot give him credit for Chris Leak.

 

[ukalum1988]

I think Meyer had the good fortune of having Tebow on his roster. The kid was physically gifted with an incredible will to win. Meyer was basically padding Tebow's stats in that 2009 game when Taylor Wyndham laid the wood on him. In summary, Meyer is not exactly a QB guru.

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

Wish we could get the same results on the field of this non QB guru.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Wish we could get the same results on the field of this non QB guru.

These kind of posts always make me laugh. As if college football fans can only comment if their team is a traditional power. great analysis

This discussion would be okay on a Bama board. LOL!

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

These kind of posts always make me laugh. As if college football fans can only comment if their team is a traditional power. great analysis

This discussion would be okay on a Bama board. LOL!

Well show me how his QB's every year suck in college? If I remember correctly he had what his 4th string QB in against Bama? Looked very good. I just dont' think we have room to talk on QB development.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Well show me how his QB's every year suck in college? If I remember correctly he had what his 4th string QB in against Bama? Looked very good. I just dont' think we have room to talk on QB development.

What did he do with that QB? Urban worked some wild magic. Didn't he? The kid crashed and burned. I guess we should just ignore all the other talent Urban was working with and just praise him for playing a highly regarded third string QB. Oh, and, a Heisman candidate RB, and so on and so on.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Well show me how his QB's every year suck in college? If I remember correctly he had what his 4th string QB in against Bama? Looked very good. I just dont' think we have room to talk on QB development.

There are about five active threads on QB development at UK. Why do you have a boner to make this into another? Every thread is not about UK football. And slamming UK is no defense of Meyer's work with QBs.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Cardale Jones is taking a bit of a beating by NFL analysts. Did he develop under Meyer?

Has Meyer developed a QB into something better than he was before being tutored by the coach? Alex Smith? Is that Meyer's only accomplishment?

I loved watching Tebow in that offense, but did Meyer improve him or just ride him to wins? And, I cannot give him credit for Chris Leak.

I don't like defending Meyer, but his job isn't to develope NFL qbs, its to win college football games. Tebow never learned how to take a snap under center, to read a defense or a proper throwing motion, but he was on 2 NC football teams. Kids should know this when they sign with him because they still are. If he were my coach, I would be ok if we won 3 NC inside 10 years and all of our qbs sucked in the NFL. Wouldn't you?

 

[Beatle Bum]

I don't like defending Meyer, but his job isn't to develope NFL qbs, its to win college football games. Tebow never learned how to take a snap under center, to read a defense or a proper throwing motion, but he was on 2 NC football teams. Kids should know this when they sign with him because they still are. If he were my coach, I would be ok if we won 3 NC inside 10 years and all of our qbs sucked in the NFL. Wouldn't you?

I don't disagree with the objective of his job (different subject), but I would take all of this into consideration if I was a HS QB considering OSU.

And, if a highly regarded QB was related to me, I would steer him in another direction, even if his skills were of the dual threat variety.

 

[Beatle Bum]

BTW, Grumpy, if my coach ran G Tech's offense and won NCs, I would be thrilled.

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

There are about five active threads on QB development at UK. Why do you have a boner to make this into another? Every thread is not about UK football. And slamming UK is no defense of Meyer's work with QBs.

Mmm this thread is a thread I did not start but commented in. This thread is about QB's which again I did not start.
Meyer's job is to win games for his employer. He does that.

I don't know if you guys realize this but UK football has been down in the doldrums for a long time. You guys want to nit pick out tiny flaws in very successful programs but will not talk about glaring crevices that are in ours.
Go to the basketball boards at other schools and how they talk about UK basketball. You see how rediculous they look, well that's how posters here look talking about other programs.

Need to emulate winners, learn how to win, be a winner......instead of a sour puss.

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

I don't like defending Meyer, but his job isn't to develope NFL qbs, its to win college football games. Tebow never learned how to take a snap under center, to read a defense or a proper throwing motion, but he was on 2 NC football teams. Kids should know this when they sign with him because they still are. If he were my coach, I would be ok if we won 3 NC inside 10 years and all of our qbs sucked in the NFL. Wouldn't you?

X10.
Thanks for your input, maybe they will listen to an outsider that is respected around here.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I don't disagree with the objective of his job (different subject), but I would take all of this into consideration if I was a HS QB considering OSU.

And, if a highly regarded QB was related to me, I would steer him in another direction, even if his skills were of the dual threat variety.

I touched on the recruiting end of it and I absolutely agree with you, it would be the first thing I pointed out if I were recruiting against him for a top qb. But the thing is, they still sign with him. Doesn't make sense to me either, but they do. But most of his qbs aren't highly thought of pro style qbs, they are dual threat guys and those guys are starting to have alot of success in the NFL. Wilson and Cam are 2 and neither were accomplished passers coming out of college.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Mmm this thread is a thread I did not start but commented in. This thread is about QB's which again I did not start.
Meyer's job is to win games for his employer. He does that.

I don't know if you guys realize this but UK football has been down in the doldrums for a long time. You guys want to nit pick out tiny flaws in very successful programs but will not talk about glaring crevices that are in ours.
Go to the basketball boards at other schools and how they talk about UK basketball. You see how rediculous they look, well that's how posters here look talking about other programs.

Need to emulate winners, learn how to win, be a winner......instead of a sour puss.

Dude is a Bucknut fan.

 

[Beatle Bum]

I touched on the recruiting end of it and I absolutely agree with you, it would be the first thing I pointed out if I were recruiting against him for a top qb. But the thing is, they still sign with him. Doesn't make sense to me either, but they do. But most of his qbs aren't highly thought of pro style qbs, they are dual threat guys and those guys are starting to have alot of success in the NFL. Wilson and Cam are 2 and neither were accomplished passers coming out of college.

Wilson finished the season with 33 passing touchdowns, which set the single season record at Wisconsin and was the second-most in Big Ten history behind Drew Brees. Wilson also set the single season FBS record for efficiency (191.8). He passed for over 3,000 yards as a junior and senior. Not bad.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Wilson finished the season with 33 passing touchdowns, which set the single season record at Wisconsin and was the second-most in Big Ten history behind Drew Brees. Wilson also set the single season FBS record for efficiency (191.8). He passed for over 3,000 yards as a junior and senior. Not bad.

I don't keep up with the big10 much, but either way, he was more of a dual threat qb than a pro style qb coming out with his ability to pull the ball down and run for 1st downs.

 

[Beatle Bum]

I don't keep up with the big10 much, but either way, he was more of a dual threat qb than a pro style qb coming out with his ability to pull the ball down and run for 1st downs.

He was a freaky talent who was thought to be too short to play NFL QB by some. He was a true dual threat. He stood in the pocket and ran for big yards. 31 TDs in the regular season as a senior with like 3 INTs.

Bad example Grump. NFLers want more Wilsons. They do not want more runners without arms.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Meyer isn't a qb guru. He is a guy who helped create an offensive system that allows certain qbs to be very successful in college. Even so, his offenses have looked very mortal since he lost Dan Mullen as October.

Yes cardale was 3rd string and lead them in the championship. But cardale would've easily started for 99% of the NCAA. So let's not act like Meyer had some magic at work. He has really good players, which is also part of his job.

My biggest complaint is he talked cardale into coming back rather than letting the kid go at the very best time for his draft status. Who knows how many millions that cost cardale.

 

[dcspurlock]

I can't stand Meyer. But dude knows how to win the college game. He knows how to build a roster and play to his strengths. Would never call him a QB guru. He parlayed two great QBs into a ton of college wins by playing to their strengths in Smith and Tebow. Two totally different offenses but stuck to what they could do well. And the reason he won with 3 different QBs in the playoffs is he ran out 3 different offenses with each one. The opponent hadn't seen film and couldn't prepare for what they were gonna throw at them with a different QB. Mans a genius on the O side of the ball. Hate him all you want, as I certainly do. But he knows how to take any given QB and win games with them by perfecting what they do well.

 

[College#19]

Cardale Jones is taking a bit of a beating by NFL analysts. Did he develop under Meyer?

Has Meyer developed a QB into something better than he was before being tutored by the coach? Alex Smith? Is that Meyer's only accomplishment?

I loved watching Tebow in that offense, but did Meyer improve him or just ride him to wins? And, I cannot give him credit for Chris Leak.

You ever hear of a QB named JT Barrett? I think we can say he has vastly improved as a college QB and most likely gets drafted into the NFL. As for Jones I think the kid caught lightning in a bottle and we will never see that level of play from him again. Meyer and his staff did as much as they could with him.

 

[Beatle Bum]

You ever hear of a QB named JT Barrett? I think we can say he has vastly improved as a college QB and most likely gets drafted into the NFL. As for Jones I think the kid caught lightning in a bottle and we will never see that level of play from him again. Meyer and his staff did as much as they could with him.

Maybe he and his staff were limited by their own deficiencies. I suspect other coaches could have done more.

 

[cardsfan53]

Cardale Jones was a 3 Star 5.7 ranking.

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

Meyer isn't a qb guru. He is a guy who helped create an offensive system that allows certain qbs to be very successful in college. Even so, his offenses have looked very mortal since he lost Dan Mullen as October.

Yes cardale was 3rd string and lead them in the championship. But cardale would've easily started for 99% of the NCAA. So let's not act like Meyer had some magic at work. He has really good players, which is also part of his job.

My biggest complaint is he talked cardale into coming back rather than letting the kid go at the very best time for his draft status. Who knows how many millions that cost cardale.

He should have went to the draft no doubt and I'm sure Meyers talked him into staying convincing him of a repeat.
As far as his ranking out of HS I remember reading he was a 3 star player. It's not like he was a 5 star out of HS. Towles, Barker, Ryan Mossawski, Morgan Newton all similiar or higher rankings. Just for the last several QB's we have had here.
Thier is no doubt they load up on talent so they can stash guys like him that have potential and try to build on their potential.

JT Barret was a 5.9 Braxton Miller was a 6.0 4 star and was a Heisman hopeful candidate along with their RB Elliott. I looked it up and Jones was a 5.7 recruit. We have had several QB's rated high as he was or higher.
Of course we have had injuries to some of our guys but so has Ohio St. Both those highly rated guys had injuries themselves.

Braxton Miller stats
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/stats/_/id/512838/braxton-miller

Patrick Towles

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/stats/_/id/530944/patrick-towles



Not everybody is going to do well if your a highly rated recruit I remember Mitch Mustain who went to Arkansas and then transferred to USC. He never did anything.
Look at it like this if your a recruit... a national recruit just looking at QB development over the last 3-4 years and you was looking at UK or Ohio St who would you chose just based off of performance? You could throw in Bama as well for the sake of a national power Ohio St or Bama?

kids know that its still a difficult task to go into a place and succeed even if you are a highly rated recruit.