Michael Carvell @Carvell_AJC 3h3 hours ago
South Carolina AD compares Will Muschamp to Nick Saban, Mark Dantonio http://trib.al/EPYchI5
South Carolina AD compares Will Muschamp to Nick Saban, Mark Dantonio http://trib.al/EPYchI5
USC AD Compares Muschamp to Saban and Dantonio
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Somebody riddle me this, serious. If somebody fails at Florida, is it possible in any form or fashion to succeed at South Carolina? Worse recruiting ability, not as attractive of a name, worse recruiting, same division, etc.
Why they gave him that job, I'll never understand.
Why they gave him that job, I'll never understand.
Ray Tanner is a sunshine-pumper extroirdanaire to sell Muschamp to the USC fanbase. I'll be the first in line to eat crow if I'm wrong, but there's nothing to suggest he's going to turn things around in Columbia.
He has to do something to sell him, at best he was number 4 on their list behind Herman, Smart, RichRod, who they say they didn't offer but he says they did. He could win big, but I think it would be a big surprise to almost everyone.
They have the same hair color, so there's one similarity.
Risky for sure, but I think the Muschamp hire has potential to work out. It'll all depend on the offensive coordinator and probably the quarterback. Whether you're Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll, Bob Stoops, Rich Brooks or Mark Stoops, you're only as good as a defensive-minded coach as your hires on the other side of the ball.
Wouldn't surprise me to see them go hard after Will Grier.
Wouldn't surprise me to see them go hard after Will Grier.
Muschamp would likely have done better going to a school in either a different conference. The fan expectations at SC may not be quite as bad as Florida, but that school has a proud tradition.
He must like following HOF football coaches into their shoes. That kind of job picking can lead to unemployment.
What am I talking about?????? He'll still be getting paid from Florida to coach at a different school in the same division of the same conference.
He must like following HOF football coaches into their shoes. That kind of job picking can lead to unemployment.
What am I talking about?????? He'll still be getting paid from Florida to coach at a different school in the same division of the same conference.
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought Muschamp seemed to recruit decently and had good defenses. I think he just didn't get his offense going. It's certainly not the hire I would've made but it's not out of the realm of possibility that he could do ok at USC.
That being said, comparing just about anyone to Saban (and to some extent Dantonio) is over the top.
That being said, comparing just about anyone to Saban (and to some extent Dantonio) is over the top.
Nope. I live in Columbia and have said the same thing to many USC friends here. They're just putting lipstick on a pig
I think the jury is still out on how good Muschamp can be. If Roper gets the offense going Muschamp will have a better than 50-50 chance of doing well at SC. Whether he can recruit through and past his Florida debacle will have some bearing also.
Same reason we have a rough road hiring staff for football. Easy question or was that sarcasm?
Do they?
USCe: 587-561-44 (.511) 8-12 (.400)
Vandy: 588-599-50 (.497) 4-2-1 (.643)
UK: 587-599-44 (.495) 8-6 (.571)
This year's USCe team performed much closer to their historical norm than their little stretch under Spurrier did.
What's that saying again? Ego of Bama trophy case of Vandy?
Meh, the comparison was about his 4 year record at Florida and nothing else. Here is the direct quote:
“We hired a coach who was very special, and he’s even more special now than he was at the point based on his experienced that he has gone through,” Tanner said, via Kendall. “He won 28 games at Florida. Nick Saban won 28 games in his first four years as a head coach. Mark Dantonio, he won 25 games in his first four years."
“We hired a coach who was very special, and he’s even more special now than he was at the point based on his experienced that he has gone through,” Tanner said, via Kendall. “He won 28 games at Florida. Nick Saban won 28 games in his first four years as a head coach. Mark Dantonio, he won 25 games in his first four years."
Check out the coaching and recruiting staff they are putting together. Some big time folks are going to Columbia, they just announced a few more additions today.I would say give it a few years before passing judgement. USC is really cranking up the heat on the recruiting trail.
You can lol all you want home boy, I think everyone should be neutral and see it from both sides.
Quick question, do you know what their staff is shaping up to look like? Everyone has an opinion on Muschamp, but the other new adds seem like home run after home run.
Quick question, do you know what their staff is shaping up to look like? Everyone has an opinion on Muschamp, but the other new adds seem like home run after home run.
Not even close. Zook was a MUCH better head coach than Muschamp and was roughly as good when it came to recruiting. Both had control issues, but Muschamp's demeanor has been more "out-of-control".
There is a reason most major schools no longer promote head coaches, even from baseball, to be AD's. He had more time to hire a coach than any other school and failed to land his first 4 choices .... even with a search committee.
That's all fine and dandy, there is most likely even some truth to whiffing on a couple coaches like Smart and Herman. BUT, you need to look at the whole body of work for the staff that is being put together. Muschamp is bringing on se very successful coaches, have you seen the updated staff roster? I say give it a couple years, USC has some really good recruiters and coaches being put on staff. I think ultimately this may prove to be a more mature hire than bringing on the newest and hotest up and comer. Muschamp is recruiting players and coaches very well.
Well, yes I have. About 1/3rd of his "new" staff are the same assistant coaches with whom he failed at Florida, including the S&C coach, DB coach, 0C, and possibly the DL coach. That's just off the top of my head. I certainly think he learned something at UF, but question whether he will sufficiently change to be successful at a school with less resources and much less fertile recruiting grounds. Time will tell, of course,
As has both UK and Vandy throughout history, hence the comparison between USCe, Vandy, and UK. You must be looking for the board full of misguided fans that think a few good years makes one an SEC power, gamecockcentral.com maybe? UK and Vandy fans have no delusions of grandeur about what our historical relevance is.
Bring it on! If Muschamp can't succeed at Florida, how do you think he'll do at USC? I don't think it will end well for either party.
Fair point on #2. No rule against him transferring SEC, but saw where McElwain restricted his release. Always a really upstanding move by a coach.
The restricted access usually lasts until the outcry shames the coach/AD into relenting. Will be interesting to see what happens to Grier.