USMNT/Soccer Thread
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This smells of a team that is out to prove itself, not as a team, but as individuals. Which is basically what arena is looking for.
I'm hoping that he puts out lineups in the knock out stages designed to win instead of a lineup designed to get "looks" at players. That's the nice thing about this tournament. He gets to have a look at a bunch of guys to fill out the last few spots on the WC roster.
I will be disapointed if we don't see Bradley, Altidore and Demsey next week when we get to the knockout stages. A guy like bradley will make a massive difference because he will be out to lead and will get things organized.
Who else might he call in? We won't see any of the European based players. Do we see Beasley? Felhaber or Kleijsten for the creative midfielder role?
In the knockout stages we could see the following, which would be a lineup that can "win".
Dwyer Morris
Ariolla Bradley Accosta Bedoya
Viafana Beisler Hedges Lichaj
I think Lichaj supplanted Zusi last night as our second team right back. Arriola was good last night...
I'm hoping that he puts out lineups in the knock out stages designed to win instead of a lineup designed to get "looks" at players. That's the nice thing about this tournament. He gets to have a look at a bunch of guys to fill out the last few spots on the WC roster.
I will be disapointed if we don't see Bradley, Altidore and Demsey next week when we get to the knockout stages. A guy like bradley will make a massive difference because he will be out to lead and will get things organized.
Who else might he call in? We won't see any of the European based players. Do we see Beasley? Felhaber or Kleijsten for the creative midfielder role?
In the knockout stages we could see the following, which would be a lineup that can "win".
Dwyer Morris
Ariolla Bradley Accosta Bedoya
Viafana Beisler Hedges Lichaj
I think Lichaj supplanted Zusi last night as our second team right back. Arriola was good last night...
Wow, just got an ESPN notification that said AC Milan is set to seal the deal for Juventus CB Leonardo Bonucci tomorrow for 40 million. If Juve does that they dumb as hell!
Mexico with the pretty embarassing tie with a borderline B Jamaica. This is what happens when you bring in a bunch of guys who are trying to scratch their way into WC roster contention.
I think this is a year where somebody besides mexico or the USA could win the gold cup. Mexico likely won't call in any of their first team guys after the group stage as they've all played in the confed cup and the big European guys are already overseas. USA will call in Bradley, Demsey and Altidore. I also bet we see beasley come in...
I think this is a year where somebody besides mexico or the USA could win the gold cup. Mexico likely won't call in any of their first team guys after the group stage as they've all played in the confed cup and the big European guys are already overseas. USA will call in Bradley, Demsey and Altidore. I also bet we see beasley come in...
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Cincy's MLS bid in jeopardy after Hamilton County Commission says they don't think they need a new stadium. Will Newport come through? Kentucky not having the "local option" sales tax for such projects is absurd and is a major obstacle to something like this.
The one thing that isn't debatable. if you want a team you have to build a soccer specific stadium, or at least a stadium where the primary occupant is the MLS team..
http://sbisoccer.com/2017/07/hamilt...-unconvinced-fc-cincinnati-need-a-new-stadium
The one thing that isn't debatable. if you want a team you have to build a soccer specific stadium, or at least a stadium where the primary occupant is the MLS team..
http://sbisoccer.com/2017/07/hamilt...-unconvinced-fc-cincinnati-need-a-new-stadium
Newport is a done deal if you read into what the FCC GM has been saying. A $200 million TIF district is already in place for that property and the only reason they're trying to get a stadium in downtown Cincy is just to cover their bases. The Hamilton County commissioners are a triumvirate of dunces and Cincy has a mayoral race going on. FCC probably wants to avoid the whole political mess and just looked at downtown for PR purposes.
A tiff district (as proven by lousivlle) is not a guaranteed way to finance a stadium. The oversight and scrutiny of another $200,000,000 stadium deal in ky will be of the highest standard. Getting the deal done in ky because of our stupid state centric tax system
Will be tough.
That's just posturing/idiocy from the commissioner - irrelevant to their bid. Still one of 2-3 most likely to get a bid later this year.
On another note, it's possible FCC could host the US Open Cup semis and finals at home. I don't see them beating Miami though.
On another note, it's possible FCC could host the US Open Cup semis and finals at home. I don't see them beating Miami though.
It's not irrelevant. It's the single most important factor. As proven by San Diego and stl. If they both have their stadium deals done they are shoe Ins to get a team.
His saying that he thinks Nippert is fine doesn't have anything to do with the negotiations going on with the team, Cincinnati, and Newport. All of the rumors are that a Newport deal is nearly in place and they're just trying to get a better deal from Cincinnati.
And of course a stadium deal is the most important thing, but the Hamilton County Commissioner saying that is not putting a bid in jeopardy.
I'm not sure why you are constantly trying to downplay the likelihood of MLS picking Cincinnati
And of course a stadium deal is the most important thing, but the Hamilton County Commissioner saying that is not putting a bid in jeopardy.
I'm not sure why you are constantly trying to downplay the likelihood of MLS picking Cincinnati
I'm not. I'm just saying it isn't a "slam dunk". A stadium is the most important thing. They don't have one yet... nobody does.
Id love for it to be in Newport and for somewhere besides Louisville get to get pro sports team. If you got that in nky they could potentially get gold cup games, friendlies and maybe even a wq qualifier one day.
Id love for it to be in Newport and for somewhere besides Louisville get to get pro sports team. If you got that in nky they could potentially get gold cup games, friendlies and maybe even a wq qualifier one day.
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I just loved the way we played. I definitely saw the effort and urgency. It seem we really dominated. I been drinking heavily but damn that was fun.
We aren't playing a very young b/c team of guys who've never played together before. It's to be expected. We looked much better tonight.
Adding nagbe, altidore, bradley, Howard and Dempsey will make a huge difference. We won't put an "a" team out there for the knockout rounds but it will be a much better squad that should compete to win. And miazga needs to come in for the next round of wc qualifiers and be our 4th center back in Russia. He's going to be special. I think he can be Cameron's replacement after Russia.
Perhaps my expectations were too high, but I was expecting a few people to come out of this that will be contributors next year in Russia. No one has really impressed me - especially in the midfield where we most need it. Acosta is really the only one that can be a major contributor if he continues to improve. Everyone else: meh.
Miazga was terrific last night. Bet he plays some in the knockout phase. Viafana has cemented himself at leftback. Lichaj could end up as the backup at right back. Morris and Dwyer have both proven they can step on if altidore or wood goes down. Last World Cup it was Dempsey and altidore or bust. We are much deeper this cycle.
Rowe has been solid...
I think Newport would be the smallest city in USA with a "major" league franchise in it. I think Green Bay is now.
A new soccer only stadium is NOT the most important thing in getting an MLS franchise.
If Cincinnati is not awarded a franchise in the upcoming round of expansion, it will be because they are the smallest market of the contending cities.
A recent push has been made in favor of staying at Nippert after the MLS witnessed the atmosphere first hand during the wins over Columbus and Chicago. The Fire said it was better than anywhere they play in MLS.
If forced to get a new stadium, FCC would prefer to stay as close to where they are now as possible. It works.
If they can't work something out in OTR or Oakley, Newport is a very possible fallback option. They would still be FC Cincinnati. It would be like the Jets and Giants playing in New Jersey.
If Cincinnati is not awarded a franchise in the upcoming round of expansion, it will be because they are the smallest market of the contending cities.
A recent push has been made in favor of staying at Nippert after the MLS witnessed the atmosphere first hand during the wins over Columbus and Chicago. The Fire said it was better than anywhere they play in MLS.
If forced to get a new stadium, FCC would prefer to stay as close to where they are now as possible. It works.
If they can't work something out in OTR or Oakley, Newport is a very possible fallback option. They would still be FC Cincinnati. It would be like the Jets and Giants playing in New Jersey.
Nippert has several issues:
- bench seating in much of the stadium. Of course common for colleges.
- FFC doesn't control when it's available nor conditions of the place nor concessions.
Agree the atmosphere is great & they would want to stay as central to their fan base as possible. Oakley would great. West End isn't bad with plenty of highway access. But Newport site less than a mile from GABP. So it's good too.
Cincy isn't the smallest with Indy & Nashville in the mix. And the smallest 5-6/12 are all about same size. Cincy has the advantage pf Day/lex/LV nearby that a number of towns don't.
Mexico made no changes to their roster. We brought in 6 first team players.
We have to win this Gold Cup. No excuses....
We have to win this Gold Cup. No excuses....
* Nearly all of the dozen teams who applied for MLS expansion have serious holes in their stadium plans.
I was told by someone at FCC that if they are denied in this round of expansion, it will be due to market size more than the stadium they play in.
*IF* MLS agrees to let them stay in Nippert... FCC would like to work out some sort of agreement with UC on stadium accessibility/control. FCC would use a large chunk of the $100M they were going to contribute to a new stadium toward modernizing Nippert even more. (Seatbacks, etc.)
*IF NOT* Newport is the least complicated, most realistic location to get funding for a new stadium by the rapidly approaching deadline. If they still don't get in this year, they would take more time to try to get a location closer to where they play now. They are worried that a large chunk of their base comes from in/near Clifton and they would lose some of that by playing in Newport.
* I was happy with the USMNT yesterday. The missed penalties were maddening, but I liked the tempo the young guys played at.
* Am I the only one who does not want to see Zusi out there? He occasionally does some good things, but always seems to make a bad pass or gambles and misses resulting in an opportunity for the other team. Drives me crazy.
I was told by someone at FCC that if they are denied in this round of expansion, it will be due to market size more than the stadium they play in.
*IF* MLS agrees to let them stay in Nippert... FCC would like to work out some sort of agreement with UC on stadium accessibility/control. FCC would use a large chunk of the $100M they were going to contribute to a new stadium toward modernizing Nippert even more. (Seatbacks, etc.)
*IF NOT* Newport is the least complicated, most realistic location to get funding for a new stadium by the rapidly approaching deadline. If they still don't get in this year, they would take more time to try to get a location closer to where they play now. They are worried that a large chunk of their base comes from in/near Clifton and they would lose some of that by playing in Newport.
* I was happy with the USMNT yesterday. The missed penalties were maddening, but I liked the tempo the young guys played at.
* Am I the only one who does not want to see Zusi out there? He occasionally does some good things, but always seems to make a bad pass or gambles and misses resulting in an opportunity for the other team. Drives me crazy.
If cincy doesn't get a stadium deal done, they aren't getting a team. Finances in mls are a grind to begin with. Not controlling the most profitable item, the stadium and the money that comes from it makes it even tougher.
Nippert has already undergone a lot of renovations and modernization. The suites and club are already there. Uc gains very little by what the soccer team would do.
Nashville is probably the closest getting a stadium done at this point. They have the site, they have the easiest framework to finance it (local option sales tax etc...) and they have the track record of success with public stadium/facility projects that are popular politically.
The stadium messes in each of the cities being considered make it easy for any market to get a team IF they can get the stadium worked out. If cincy figures out a way to get s stadium done, they'll get one. Same for Nashville. But each market only has a shot because more attractive markets screwed up their stadium deals.
I agree 100% on zusi. Give lijach the shot. He looked good against Martinique in my opinion.
With the big mls guys in think we have a good shot at winning it.
Nah. It's about market size. The New York Red Bull's play in harrison New Jersey. Same deal here. It's just across the river
Amongst the markets being considered a soccer specific stadium is the most important factor. The mls has said that over and over. STL and San Diego both have stadiums that could be used. They were the preferred mls markets but because their stadium deals died they are basically out of consideration. It's no different for Cincinnati.
Tampa has a stadium deal in place and is a much bigger market than Cincinnati. They're the biggest competition for Cincy, at least in this round.The next round of expansion is going to be nuts with how competitive it will be. You'll have 8-10 great markets fighting for 2 spots
Why do you think St Louis and San Diego were the "preferred" markets?
Also, I have never seen the MLS or Garber say that a SSS is the most important factor.
They've said over again that there are 3 criteria: committed owners, fan support, comprehensive stadium plan.
Also, I have never seen the MLS or Garber say that a SSS is the most important factor.
They've said over again that there are 3 criteria: committed owners, fan support, comprehensive stadium plan.
They've said that having a stadium plan in place is a prerequisite time after time.
And it's widely known that stl
Was a shoein if they had gotten their stadium
Done. San Diego says thought to
Be the same.
I'm hoping Nashville grabs one of the 4 spots. It's one of the smallest markets out of the 12 candidates, but it does have it's bonuses.....like the stadium, fan support, and a USL club. But as of July 10th, it appears that Tampa, Phoenix, San Antonio, and Cincy are the front runners.
https://sports.yahoo.com/don-garber-issues-latest-mls-184825525.html
https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017...-candidate-cities-continues-through-southeast
https://sports.yahoo.com/don-garber-issues-latest-mls-184825525.html
https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017...-candidate-cities-continues-through-southeast
It's crazy to think about all of the great markets that will get left out. At least 2 of these will be left out: St Louis, Indianapolis, Detroit, Nashville, Cincinnati, Tampa, Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham.
I think eventually we'll get pro/rel but that will really upset a lot owners that paid to get in
I think eventually we'll get pro/rel but that will really upset a lot owners that paid to get in