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could find nothing but more, he's the only youtube hit I clicked on because he's entertaining.

but yeah, he's still a soccer genius and you still have your playstation experience. [eyeroll]

i tell ya man, your kind is really something else [winking]
 

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could find nothing but more, he's the only youtube hit I clicked on because he's entertaining.

but yeah, he's still a soccer genius and you still have your playstation experience. [eyeroll]

i tell ya man, your kind is really something else [winking]


He was a soccer genius who largely failed with his last stints because he lacked an ability to adapt and make tactical changes. Dude was playing Pogba as a straight defensive mid..... lol washed up ***** ***.
 

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Brazil released their Copa America squad:

GK: Allison, Ederson, Cassio

DEF: Marquinhos, Felipe Luiz, Alex Sandro, Dani Alves, Eder Militao, Miranda, Thiago Silva, Fagner

MID: Casemiro, Fernandinho, Allan, Lucas Paqueta, Arthur

ATT: Neymar, Richarlisson, Neres, Gabriel Jesus, Coutinho, Firmino, Everton


That midfield seems a tad thin. I like the inclusion of Militao, Neres, Richarlisson. But I think the final will be Colombia v. Uruguay. Uruguay wins.
 

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Not sure I agree with him.

1) The quality in Man United sucks.

2) Just like under Mourinho, he is being utilized all wrong.

3) Look at how he was used at Juve under Conte. So much actually lies in the quality of the fullback position and their ability to get forward. Ashley Young and Luke Shaw are not good enough. He also works best with a striker than drop into the midfield and distribute. While Lukaku is big, that isnt his forte. Juve former striker Carlos Teves and Olivier Giroud do this. You also need to pair him with a midfield that has defensive cover and playmaking to allow him the freedom to get forward. Juve did this with the likes of Pirlo, Vidal, Khedira and Marchisio. IMO Pogba is a mezzala. He is a midfielder that likes to drift both wide and forward because of his crazy elite technical ability on the ball. Man U have been unable to put the pieces around him. Its just much easier to blame him for everything.
 
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There are, at best, 4 returning starters to ManU line-up. Quality is awful, getting older, or both.

Defenders- Smalling, Young and Valencia old. (Shaw and Lindelof will probably start)
Midfield- lose Herrera,Mata, one more year for Matic, Fred is dreadful so far, only quality middie is Pogba, maybe Lingard
Front- Rashford and Martial, good but not good enough
 

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The idea that Paul Pogba could not play for Pep or under his system is laughable. He plays dead on the way Kevin De Brunye plays. Dead on. With more athleticism. The difference is the quality around De Brunye that allows him the freedom to express himself offensively. Defenders in Laporte, Kompany, Stones, Walker, Mendy, along with the shield of Fernandinho and Gundogan.
 
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He plays dead on the way Kevin De Brunye plays. Dead on.

no

De Brunye is significantly better around goal, a better striker of the ball and better instinct.

Pogba is a significantly better playmaker, touch and vision... understanding of the game and flow of the game, able to impart his will on it when he so chooses.

Both world class... Pogba is one of my favorite modern day players for a variety of reasons; you just like him because he's black.
 
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It's a toss up because you never know what can happen in one game especially given you have two teams from the same league who know each other.

I'm expecting a spectacular final, lots of fireworks and not a cagey affair at all... Liverpool wins unless Son/Kane produce something special.
 

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no

De Brunye is significantly better around goal, a better striker of the ball and better instinct.

Pogba is a significantly better playmaker, touch and vision... understanding of the game and flow of the game, able to impart his will on it when he so chooses.

Both world class... Pogba is one of my favorite modern day players for a variety of reasons; you just like him because he's black.

No I like him because of this:

 
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The point they were making was he is lazy in the premiere league and unwilling to get back on defense, play aggressively when needed... and that wouldn't fly under Guardiola.

Incidentally, in those clips you see Pogba exploit his magnificent skill when given the freedom to play calcio, which has absolutely zero to do with his athleticism, none of those moves required it or were even aided by it. He is the same world class player now that he was then, but some players no matter how good are simply not fitted for the premiere league and there's a pretty good chance he is one of them; maybe not, we'll see.

As usual, every single time, you are summarily decimated in these foolish tit for tats you like to engage in. Your fledgling ego, cognitive dissonance and biases, and incessant psychological projections will prevent you from ever understanding that painfully obvious reality. It is a necessary logical deduction that given that, you cannot understand what I am telling you, ever.

I like how you edited your insults to be less misogynistic lol... you are really something, but I've embarrassed you enough over there in that thread and won't mention it. :eek:kay:
 
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Really freaking cool that Atalanta got in the UCL by coming in 3rd in Serie A. Wish Getafe could have held onto 4th in La Liga. I like seeing new teams in UCL and really like Papu Gomez and Duvan Zapata. They're probably the funnest team in Italy to watch.
 

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It's a toss up because you never know what can happen in one game especially given you have two teams from the same league who know each other.
Funny, but bettors place their hard earned money on Liverpool ~1-3. You should get on the Spurs.
 

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Man...you guys are slipping. I came here thinking there would be a page and a half on the U20 World Cup. Has anyone watched?

I thought the US ironically was very good for the better part of the first thirty against the Ukraine, but the defensive gaffe by Sergino Dest staked them to a 1-0 deficit; the US buildup sequence four minutes later for the tying goal was what every US soccer fan has craved for years--imaginative, quick hitting and with an easy finish for someone who got into the channel. Against Nigeria Mendez was outstanding and Soto got the two finishes with the second being another quality counter off a perfectly weighted ball by Soto's Hannover 96 teammate Gloster coming in from the leftback position. Ukraine is definitely through, and the US should handle Qatar Thursday so unless Nigeria somehow manages to beat the Ukraine--who I would think rests people--the US should go through if they put up a reasonable number of goals on Qatar. I think right now Nigeria has a plus 2 goal differential and three points, so a tie against the Ukraine with a win by the US puts the US through.

Pomykal has been really impressive in addition to Mendez; you can see though that Mendez requires a certain type of six/eight combo around him because he isn't a ball winner or the most willing defender. Flank him with an Adams and a McKennie and it's just what the doctor ordered, but he's more an 8 than a 10. He is dynamite providing service on set pieces, and his ability from distance is breathtaking. He's rattled an upright or crossbar on no less than three balls in the first two games and forced saves on two others. He had an outlet pass on a counter from around midfield to a released Weah on the wing that was a laser and probably should have been put away if not for a foot save by the goalkeeper against Nigeria. You can see Weah is a little out of form from the issues with the coaching change at Celtic. De La Fuente has been impressive challenging defenders on the right wing but hasn't produced anything off of it. Chris Richards has been very impressive at CB and has probably made some money for Bayern as a potential transfer candidate, but he took a leg injury that might have him shelved against Qatar.

Overall this looks like just the type of deep age group US soccer fans have been craving, especially when you consider that Tyler Adams and Josh Sargeant were age eligible for this tournament and Pulisic and McKennie were months from being age eligible. I would add...this US squad is one of the younger ones in the tournament by comparison to Ukraine as well as Nigeria. De La Fuente and Julian Araujo still haven't had their 18th birthday and only Justin Rennicks isn't a professional. Many past U20 rosters for the US have been overwhelmingly college based; this group has a number of kids already playing in Bundesliga systems.
 
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Breaking: PSG ans Barcelona jave opned talks for Neymars return. Demblee would go the other way plus cash

And I read Atletico want Cavani woth Greizman leaving. Be perfect for PSG to swap Cavani plus cash for Greizman. Have a killer French front 3 of Mbappe Greizman ans Demblee
 

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Breaking: PSG ans Barcelona jave opned talks for Neymars return. Demblee would go the other way plus cash

And I read Atletico want Cavani woth Greizman leaving. Be perfect for PSG to swap Cavani plus cash for Greizman. Have a killer French front 3 of Mbappe Greizman ans Demblee

If I am PSG I say screw the Dembele plus cash, Give me Dembele and Umtiti for Neymar. Neymar will take at least 200+ million in overall value. Dembele's value is right at 120ish. Umtiti is right at 70ish million. That would be perfect. Again the french combination between Mbappe, Dembele and Umtiti would be solid. If you could add Griezmann that bring in experience and leadership. I like the looks of this as a PSG squad:

Griezmann, Mbappe
Draxler, Di Maria
Verratti, Marquinhos
Bernat, Umtiti, Silva/Kimpembe, Meunier

Far more balanced side IMO.
 
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Man...you guys are slipping. I came here thinking there would be a page and a half on the U20 World Cup. Has anyone watched?

I thought the US ironically was very good for the better part of the first thirty against the Ukraine, but the defensive gaffe by Sergino Dest staked them to a 1-0 deficit; the US buildup sequence four minutes later for the tying goal was what every US soccer fan has craved for years--imaginative, quick hitting and with an easy finish for someone who got into the channel. Against Nigeria Mendez was outstanding and Soto got the two finishes with the second being another quality counter off a perfectly weighted ball by Soto's Hannover 96 teammate Gloster coming in from the leftback position. Ukraine is definitely through, and the US should handle Qatar Thursday so unless Nigeria somehow manages to beat the Ukraine--who I would think rests people--the US should go through if they put up a reasonable number of goals on Qatar. I think right now Nigeria has a plus 2 goal differential and three points, so a tie against the Ukraine with a win by the US puts the US through.

Pomykal has been really impressive in addition to Mendez; you can see though that Mendez requires a certain type of six/eight combo around him because he isn't a ball winner or the most willing defender. Flank him with an Adams and a McKennie and it's just what the doctor ordered, but he's more an 8 than a 10. He is dynamite providing service on set pieces, and his ability from distance is breathtaking. He's rattled an upright or crossbar on no less than three balls in the first two games and forced saves on two others. He had an outlet pass on a counter from around midfield to a released Weah on the wing that was a laser and probably should have been put away if not for a foot save by the goalkeeper against Nigeria. You can see Weah is a little out of form from the issues with the coaching change at Celtic. De La Fuente has been impressive challenging defenders on the right wing but hasn't produced anything off of it. Chris Richards has been very impressive at CB and has probably made some money for Bayern as a potential transfer candidate, but he took a leg injury that might have him shelved against Qatar.

Overall this looks like just the type of deep age group US soccer fans have been craving, especially when you consider that Tyler Adams and Josh Sargeant were age eligible for this tournament and Pulisic and McKennie were months from being age eligible. I would add...this US squad is one of the younger ones in the tournament by comparison to Ukraine as well as Nigeria. De La Fuente and Julian Araujo still haven't had their 18th birthday and only Justin Rennicks isn't a professional. Many past U20 rosters for the US have been overwhelmingly college based; this group has a number of kids already playing in Bundesliga systems.

I have watched some here and there. Very promising as you stated. Need to integrate these guys in the senior team IMO. Probably wont see the result in Qatar in 2022, but by 2026 here in the US we should have an extremely gifted core that could make some noise at home.
 

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If I am PSG I say screw the Dembele plus cash, Give me Dembele and Umtiti for Neymar. Neymar will take at least 200+ million in overall value. Dembele's value is right at 120ish. Umtiti is right at 70ish million. That would be perfect. Again the french combination between Mbappe, Dembele and Umtiti would be solid. If you could add Griezmann that bring in experience and leadership. I like the looks of this as a PSG squad:

Griezmann, Mbappe
Draxler, Di Maria
Verratti, Marquinhos
Bernat, Umtiti, Silva/Kimpembe, Meunier

Far more balanced side IMO.
PSG will never win CL due to weak Ligue 1. Their life is too easy.
 

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If I am PSG I say screw the Dembele plus cash, Give me Dembele and Umtiti for Neymar. Neymar will take at least 200+ million in overall value. Dembele's value is right at 120ish. Umtiti is right at 70ish million. That would be perfect. Again the french combination between Mbappe, Dembele and Umtiti would be solid. If you could add Griezmann that bring in experience and leadership. I like the looks of this as a PSG squad:

Griezmann, Mbappe
Draxler, Di Maria
Verratti, Marquinhos
Bernat, Umtiti, Silva/Kimpembe, Meunier

Far more balanced side IMO.

I agree they would be better to take a defender or midfielder. But now theyre saying its Demblee or Chouthino going the other way plus cash

Be very interesting to see this play out. Mbappe gave them an ultimatum, he wants to be the #9 and the leader. So I say Cavani and Neymar are gone. Be interesting to see how PSG regroups their front 3
 

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I am very interested in the actions of Bayern this summer. I love the signings so far of Hernandez from Atletico as well as Pavard. Makes their defense far more versatile and speedy. I think they will sell Boateng. If they can seal Sane deal I really like that team. The only other need is a ball playing midfielder. Rodri would be ideal, or someone else like a Maier from Hertha. Maybe even take a chance on Rabiot. I hear Bayern very much like Tyler Adams as well. Plus it will help to get Tolisso back healthy. Bayern just need to get younger. They held onto Ribery and Robben too long IMO. They also are still trying for Hudson-Odoi

I would like to see a side like:

Sane, Lewandowski, Gnabry/Coman
Thiago, Muller, Tolisso/Martinez/Rodri
Alaba, Hummels, Hernandez, Kimmich

Bench: Martinez, Tolisso, Coman, Sule, Pavard, Goretzka, Davies, Odoi,


Could be a VERY prolific team.
 

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I see some newer names in here, Just wanted to see who do you support:

My overall top team is Arsenal. I know I had a rant and said I switched to Man City, that is just my yearly outburst about Arsenal lol. I have one about every year.

Which of the "Power 7" do you root for (Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus, Liverpool, Man City, Bayern Munich, PSG) -- For me its the Bavarians. To me as a "big club" they were built the right way. Also, as a big Le Oranje I always loved Robben.

Smaller teams I enjoy are the Wolverhampton Wanderes. FC Cincy as my domestic team too.
 
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Man...you guys are slipping. I came here thinking there would be a page and a half on the U20 World Cup. Has anyone watched?

I thought the US ironically was very good for the better part of the first thirty against the Ukraine, but the defensive gaffe by Sergino Dest staked them to a 1-0 deficit; the US buildup sequence four minutes later for the tying goal was what every US soccer fan has craved for years--imaginative, quick hitting and with an easy finish for someone who got into the channel. Against Nigeria Mendez was outstanding and Soto got the two finishes with the second being another quality counter off a perfectly weighted ball by Soto's Hannover 96 teammate Gloster coming in from the leftback position. Ukraine is definitely through, and the US should handle Qatar Thursday so unless Nigeria somehow manages to beat the Ukraine--who I would think rests people--the US should go through if they put up a reasonable number of goals on Qatar. I think right now Nigeria has a plus 2 goal differential and three points, so a tie against the Ukraine with a win by the US puts the US through.

Pomykal has been really impressive in addition to Mendez; you can see though that Mendez requires a certain type of six/eight combo around him because he isn't a ball winner or the most willing defender. Flank him with an Adams and a McKennie and it's just what the doctor ordered, but he's more an 8 than a 10. He is dynamite providing service on set pieces, and his ability from distance is breathtaking. He's rattled an upright or crossbar on no less than three balls in the first two games and forced saves on two others. He had an outlet pass on a counter from around midfield to a released Weah on the wing that was a laser and probably should have been put away if not for a foot save by the goalkeeper against Nigeria. You can see Weah is a little out of form from the issues with the coaching change at Celtic. De La Fuente has been impressive challenging defenders on the right wing but hasn't produced anything off of it. Chris Richards has been very impressive at CB and has probably made some money for Bayern as a potential transfer candidate, but he took a leg injury that might have him shelved against Qatar.

Overall this looks like just the type of deep age group US soccer fans have been craving, especially when you consider that Tyler Adams and Josh Sargeant were age eligible for this tournament and Pulisic and McKennie were months from being age eligible. I would add...this US squad is one of the younger ones in the tournament by comparison to Ukraine as well as Nigeria. De La Fuente and Julian Araujo still haven't had their 18th birthday and only Justin Rennicks isn't a professional. Many past U20 rosters for the US have been overwhelmingly college based; this group has a number of kids already playing in Bundesliga systems.
I've only been able to watch the Nigeria game, but the U.S. looked much more comfortable on the ball than I'm used to seeing from one of our teams. I think you're really starting to see the MLS Academy system and the willingness of these guys to play in Europe start to bear some fruit.
 

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Women's World Cup about to start.......as well as the Gold Cup.

Seems like the USWNT will have some stiffer competition this yr. Germany, France, England all look to be really good. If the girls win this yr, they would have earned it.

What do y'all think of the USMNT chances in the Gold Cup?
 

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I see some newer names in here, Just wanted to see who do you support:

My overall top team is Arsenal. I know I had a rant and said I switched to Man City, that is just my yearly outburst about Arsenal lol. I have one about every year.

Which of the "Power 7" do you root for (Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus, Liverpool, Man City, Bayern Munich, PSG) -- For me its the Bavarians. To me as a "big club" they were built the right way. Also, as a big Le Oranje I always loved Robben.

Smaller teams I enjoy are the Wolverhampton Wanderes. FC Cincy as my domestic team too.
Not a fan of teams in any sport that just buy championships. I like close competition. So of those listed, I root for Pool because they've been down to the others. Same reason I like BVB. Alan Schearer got me interested in EPL with his power. Net, I've stuck with them as my team of teams. Kinda like UK football till last season. Don't care for PSG at all due to weak home league.
 

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Emery out. Kroenke out. All the players out.

Disagree with Emery. But he has nothing to work with. Kroenke is the real issue. He does not give a **** at all about this squad. It is all about money. Why did we even move to Emirates if the money was not going to be invested. Bad business all around. You let Sanches walk for free followed by Ramsey. Really bad business.

Characterizing this as solely Emery is false. Too simplistic. It is not all on Ozil either. This team sucks. There are 8-10 players that are dead weight. This team needs an overhaul top to bottom. Ozil isn't playing well, but he has no damn help. Stan Kroenke is the problem. No investment at all. Stan needs to go. Just look at the subs man. Chelsea bringing on Barkley and Willian. We bring on Willock, Guendouzi, Iwobi. I don't think Ozil has a place in Unai's system. Utter ****. We need folks to not show up next year. That is the only thing that will change anything.

8-10 players need to go and 300-400 million need to be invested in the club. But with no Champions league no elite players will want to come. I personally am done watching. A waste of my damn time.
 

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Not a fan of teams in any sport that just buy championships. I like close competition. So of those listed, I root for Pool because they've been down to the others. Same reason I like BVB. Alan Schearer got me interested in EPL with his power. Net, I've stuck with them as my team of teams. Kinda like UK football till last season. Don't care for PSG at all due to weak home league.

Every team buy's players. Dortmund literally just invested just shy of 70 million on Thorgan Hazard and Julian Brandt. There is no such thing anymore as "teams that dont buy championships"
 

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Every team buy's players. Dortmund literally just invested just shy of 70 million on Thorgan Hazard and Julian Brandt. There is no such thing anymore as "teams that dont buy championships"
Maybe better said is that I prefer teams that succeed while spending less than those that spend more than them. Shows a good system to me. Ajax was great this CL season. Was rooting for them.
 

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Women's World Cup about to start.......as well as the Gold Cup.


Seems like the USWNT will have some stiffer competition this yr. Germany, France, England all look to be really good. If the girls win this yr, they would have earned it. Anyone watching?

What do y'all think of the USMNT chances in the Gold Cup?
 

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Women's World Cup about to start.......as well as the Gold Cup.


Seems like the USWNT will have some stiffer competition this yr. Germany, France, England all look to be really good. If the girls win this yr, they would have earned it. Anyone watching?

What do y'all think of the USMNT chances in the Gold Cup?


Will be interesting to see the womens world cup. I do think the US still has the best athletes. However, tactically and technically I think the likes of Germany, France and England have closed the gap in those regards. The sleeper team to me is Netherlands. IMO they have the best player in the world in Lieke Martens. She is like the women's Messi. They also have some very young talent and very technical players in Groenen, Van de Sanden, Miedema, Martens, Beerensteyn. Plus they DOMINATED the Euros. My pick for the final is France and Netherlands
 
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France is gonna be a hard out too... Elite players in Le Sommer, Thiney, IMO the best GK in the world in Bouhaddi, Mbock Bathy, The best defender in the world in Renard, Majri might be the best LB, And Henry is most definitely the best midfielder. They can match the US in the athletic department and are very skilled. They were the last USWNT loss I believe.
 

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France is gonna be a hard out too... Elite players in Le Sommer, Thiney, IMO the best GK in the world in Bouhaddi, Mbock Bathy, The best defender in the world in Renard, Majri might be the best LB, And Henry is most definitely the best midfielder. They can match the US in the athletic department and are very skilled. They were the last USWNT loss I believe.


Speaking of GK's......I'm worried about ours. Naeher may surprise me, but I don't think she's nearly as good as Scurry or Solo.