Vaccine required for fans

Atrain7732

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Please do not take my post as arguing for continued lock down. I do think that covid deaths are far more than flu deaths and covid is much easier transmitted. That said, we have a lot of evidence that younger working age people fair pretty well with the disease and old frail people are especially at risk. Population density seems to play a big role in the spread. I think that we mostly should have opened up a month ago when those facts became clear. No way we can afford to wait for a vaccine (that may never come). We need to move on with learning how to live with the virus.

Agreed on all counts.
 
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HagginHall1999

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I don’t think we can compare covid deaths with flu deaths. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

So far, covid deaths have been counted (you can argue about how some are counted, but I doubt it greatly affects the numbers). Flu deaths are estimated, not counted. Not really a good comparison.

Looks like there are some other treatments that can be looked at. https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/14...ivir-and-focus-on-its-simpler-safer-ancestor/
https://www.biospace.com/article/so...-covid-19-that-appears-100-percent-effective/

Flu deaths are estimated and obviously COVID only caused deaths are being inflated to a degree. Where there is smoke there is fire...Colorado counting a .55 BAC as a COVID death is an example.

Adding to this there are countless examples of the antibody testing showing significantly higher figures of having been infected by COVID. Santa Clara County did a study where estimates of 50X-85X more people had COVID than being reported. What does that mean? That means the 2,403 reported cases by SCC is really on the low side 100K cases and the death rate (135 deaths in SCC as of today) isn't .05% but rather .001% and that is on the low end.

If you extrapolate this study across the USA we are current at 1.47MM cases and 88,237 deaths. 50X cases due to antibodies would be 73.5MM cases and a death rate of .001% rather than .06%.

If it is as contagious as thought to be it stands to reason that way more people have been infected with the virus in a country of 330MM than .004% of the population as currently estimated.
 
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The reopening of the economy would and could be easier if not for the 'I ain't wearing no GD mask' crowd. Even the simplest of precaution is too much for some people. There's a segment of our society that pushes a theory this pandemic isn't real and it's all about control.

I mean those two things aren't mutually exclusive it can be a real virus and be all about control for the most part which it is. My gut feeling has always been it's also an extortion scheme to bail out states and cities that are broke and it has no basis in any kind of health or science. Only socialism and totalitarian rule. The lockdown was done on purpose with almost nothing but malicious intentions and it's gonna be exposed. It already has been
 

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I’d bet if the flu killed 80,000 people in three months with every one social distancing we’d take it just as seriously.
Don't think they ever attributed flu deaths to the flu if something else was the real cause. With Covid we are getting deaths by Covid even if people are dying already of other causes. Inflated numbers for some reason.
 
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I mean those two things aren't mutually exclusive it can be a real virus and be all about control for the most part which it is. My gut feeling has always been it's also an extortion scheme to bail out states and cities that are broke and it has no basis in any kind of health or science. Only socialism and totalitarian rule. The lockdown was done on purpose with almost nothing but malicious intentions and it's gonna be exposed. It already has been
Maybe...but aliens were the cause of all the economic, school and church closures during the 1918 flu pandemic.
My guess is that it is either the Masons, Bigfoot or Oprah Winfrey at the root of this pandemic. I will keep using the Google and driving my Mystery Machine around till I finally get to pull the mask off of Mr. Fauci.
 
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Wildcats1st

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So according to our Governor, he needs a vaccine or an effective treatment before fans can return. This was stated in context of football but it would certainly apply to basketball.

Does this governor not understand that ain’t gonna happen this year and it might never happen. There has never been a vaccine for any previous coronavirus. At best it’s 18 months away. He is pinning everything on a vaccine. He wants certainty in life. It’s a fools errand. I understand his desire to make life safe but he is living in a fantasy. This virus is going to run it’s course....period. Whether we hide or not.

I’m not hating on this governor. He has a terrible job. But I just don’t understand how we can continue. It’s not about me watching sports. It’s about getting the world back before we lose it all, thus making Corona the least of our problems.

There is a canine and feline vaccine for coronavirus so it’s doable.
 

cole854

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I’d bet if the flu killed 80,000 people in three months with every one social distancing we’d take it just as seriously.

The flu is taken seriously, thus the advisement each year that people get their flu shots.

And it didn't kill 80K with everyone social distancing.
 
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Phil_The_Music2

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The reopening of the economy would and could be easier if not for the 'I ain't wearing no GD mask' crowd. Even the simplest of precaution is too much for some people. There's a segment of our society that pushes a theory this pandemic isn't real and it's all about control.
So for weeks the experts were telling us not to wear a mask, but now it's the people who aren't wearing ones fault the economy isn't reopening. Wow.
 
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So for weeks the experts were telling us not to wear a mask, but now it's the people who aren't wearing ones fault the economy isn't reopening. Wow.

This is new virus. Researchers are learning more everyday about every aspect of it. Asymptomatic carriers not wearing a mask could play a big role in spikes.
 
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So according to our Governor, he needs a vaccine or an effective treatment before fans can return. This was stated in context of football but it would certainly apply to basketball.

Does this governor not understand that ain’t gonna happen this year and it might never happen. There has never been a vaccine for any previous coronavirus. At best it’s 18 months away. He is pinning everything on a vaccine. He wants certainty in life. It’s a fools errand. I understand his desire to make life safe but he is living in a fantasy. This virus is going to run it’s course....period. Whether we hide or not.

I’m not hating on this governor. He has a terrible job. But I just don’t understand how we can continue. It’s not about me watching sports. It’s about getting the world back before we lose it all, thus making Corona the least of our problems.
An effective treatment and a vaccine aren’t the same thing.
 
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Take 5 states out of the equation -: New York, New Jersey, Michigan, Massachusetts and Illinois, and we'd pretty much believe this thing is under control.
Michigan only ranks 13th in cases per capita, the last state above the national average, Illinois is 9th. Iowa and South Dakota are within less than 100 of the national average of cases per capita.

Even if you go with total cases, California and Pennsylvania have more cases than Michigan.

For total deaths, Pennsylvania has more than Illinois. For deaths per capita, Michigan is 7th and and Illinois is 10th.
 

TankedCat

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we don't really talk about per capita, we talk about number of deaths. We could throw Pennsylvania in the mix too I guess.
 
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It killed 80k in 6 months two years ago with a vaccine...primarily inflicting death upon same age group and more toddlers/infants. Again, with a vaccine.

Social distancing is a deterrent but we didn't even start it until at least 2 months after COVID was in the states...and that is AT LEAST. Isn't a vaccine more of a deterrent than social distancing?

Way more people have COVID than has been reported and they are signing off death certificates as caused by COVID when a guy had a .55 BAC in Colorado.

It shouldn't be blown out of proportion either way and it has been.
Yeah and that 80K was with the vast majority of human beings acting like everything is normal. Maybe some were washing hands more during flu season, but doubtful many were. No one was practicing social distancing. The overwhelming majority of people weren’t wearing masks when they went out in public. The # of deaths from coronavirus would be far higher if we collectively acted like it was just the flu and carried on business as usual.
 
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HagginHall1999

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Yeah and that 80K was with the vast majority of human beings acting like everything is normal. Maybe some were washing hands more during flu season, but doubtful many were. No one was practicing social distancing. The overwhelming majority of people weren’t wearing masks when they went out in public. The # of deaths from coronavirus would be far higher if we collectively acted like it was just the flu and carried on business as usual.

I feel like this response is typical. I am not arguing about Corona. I am arguing people downplay the flu.

The response is always typical of this but 50% of US population gets the flu vaccine. It is a vaccine that 165mm people in US get and still 80k die. This will likely be the result with COVID barring some sort of miracle vaccine.

This isn't rocket science.

Social distancing is the answer being recommended but yet we're told a sneeze travels 100mph and 100k droplets of germs into the air. 6 feet protecting that...ok. No straight answers on masks. Plenty of doctors saying this can spread the disease in the beginning by constantly touching face...now you have to wear a mask?

We are not practicing social distancing, we are practicing being hermits.

This all feels too much like the movie Final Destination for me. Running from death...it is absurd. Practice good hygiene, practice social distancing, wear a mask if you want, be congnisant- understand risk factors and use good judgement....let's move on already.
 
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legalbeagle123

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People who are vaccinated should be given a mark and only those people with the mark should be able to buy and sell goods.