Very interesting and worrisome political movements occurring

[WVPATX]

The British Labor Party got thrashed in the last election. Now they have turned to a pretty radical socialist to lead the party. Unrest in the U.S. has led the Dems to begin to turn to an avowed socialist while on the Republican side, unrest has led to candidates with no political experience to lead in the polls, including one that is arguably pretty liberal (Trump).

The world is in turmoil and the world's economy is teetering. Due to monetary policy, the rich have gotten richer and the middle class has been left out and have seen decreases in earnings power. The left seems to be turning to socialism or democratic socialism ideologies. When the people don't trust or respect the political leaders, pretty radical movements can occur. Both Dems and Republicans are seeing its affect.

The people are angry and disillusioned. Both parties establishments seem oblivious. They have completely misread the electorate. Grave mistakes are made during times like this. I hope the people understand the gravity of the situation but I feel that low information voters may now dominate the country.

 

[Popeer]

The news from Britain was a shock only to people who don't know their history before Margaret Thatcher. Britain has been socialist in practice if not in name since the end of World War II.

 

[WVPATX]

The news from Britain was a shock only to people who don't know their history before Margaret Thatcher. Britain has been socialist in practice if not in name since the end of World War II.

I think the UK has been the least liberal of most European countries with the exception of Germany. The UK PM's have been pretty centrist. Brown, Blair, Major and Thatcher weren't anywhere near that far left.

 

[dolemitebmf]

The British Labor Party got thrashed in the last election. Now they have turned to a pretty radical socialist to lead the party. Unrest in the U.S. has led the Dems to begin to turn to an avowed socialist while on the Republican side, unrest has led to candidates with no political experience to lead in the polls, including one that is arguably pretty liberal (Trump).

The world is in turmoil and the world's economy is teetering. Due to monetary policy, the rich have gotten richer and the middle class has been left out and have seen decreases in earnings power. The left seems to be turning to socialism or democratic socialism ideologies. When the people don't trust or respect the political leaders, pretty radical movements can occur. Both Dems and Republicans are seeing its affect.

The people are angry and disillusioned. Both parties establishments seem oblivious. They have completely misread the electorate. Grave mistakes are made during times like this. I hope the people understand the gravity of the situation but I feel that low information voters may now dominate the country.

I am just happy to hear some different voices, on both sides, even if I disagree with them on a lot of issues. Whether you like Sanders and Trump, or not, there are a lot of things we wouldn't be talking about without those two in the race. I'm not voting for either of them, but they both raise valid concerns...

 

[Popeer]

I think the UK has been the least liberal of most European countries with the exception of Germany. The UK PM's have been pretty centrist. Brown, Blair, Major and Thatcher weren't anywhere near that far left.

And what do they all have in common? They all came after Thatcher, as I said. There have been movements back toward the center, but if you define socialism as including things like centralized health care, education, pensions, etc., Britain is still a socialist country.

 

[WVPATX]

And what do they all have in common? They all came after Thatcher, as I said. There have been movements back toward the center, but if you define socialism as including things like centralized health care, education, pensions, etc., Britain is still a socialist country.

Corbyn is MUCH further left. He is a true socialist, an admirer of Chavez. Yes, the UK has moved more toward the center after Thatcher's reign, but Corbyn is at the far end of the leftward scale. He wants to raise taxes which are already very high, he wants the Bank of England to print money to fund social programs, he wants to nationalize some UK banks, he wants to eliminate business tax breaks and increase business taxes, he wants the UK to withdraw from NATO, he wants to nationalize energy companies, he wants to nationalize railroads, etc.

Britain is not a socialist country but Corbyn would make them one. Control over the means of production is a key tenet of socialism.

 

[ThatNehlenFeelin]

Socialist Britian? Would they overthrow the throne?

 

[WVPATX]

Socialist Britian? Would they overthrow the throne?

Actually he was quoted as saying that the monarchy is too popular for that.

 

[op2]

I think a distinction needs to be made between how the economy is run and how the government is elected. So long as Britian is free to elect whoever they want then whether they go to a more controlled economy or a lesser one is up to them. As long as they can change whenever they want, that's what matters most. Same with the US.

 

[WVPATX]

I think a distinction needs to be made between how the economy is run and how the government is elected. So long as Britian is free to elect whoever they want then whether they go to a more controlled economy or a lesser one is up to them. As long as they can change whenever they want, that's what matters most. Same with the US.

Nothing is wrong with British libs choosing an avowed socialist to lead them. My whole point is that the tremendous anger and anxiety of the people can lead to pretty radical and dangerous choices. Trump and Sanders are examples. Both would be horrible choices for America, although Trump is less dangerous than Sanders, imo.