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Yep, amazingly they're all wrong and yet none will admit it. They devote their lives to learning X and yet purposely ignore the Bible even though it contains great evidence of X.
The Bible can't even get the order of creation consistent. There are two different orders in Genesis. Try going to a Islmaic website and see if you can argue them out of believing the Qu'ran is perfect and you'll get an idea of how I feel.
I don't think there is any reason to believe time was slower 4.5 billion years ago. I mean, under extreme gravity time is slower but I don't see any reason why it would be different on earth 4.5 billion years ago compared to now.
If 4 billion years ago the earth (and I have no idea if this is true) went around the sun in 11 months as measured by todays standards that doesn't mean time was going faster rather it just means the earth was moving more slowly.
You said you suspected the earth was much older than believed. A lot of people have studied this and their current best estimate is 4.5 billion years. If you think it's a lot older than that present your evidence to them and persuade them.
Op2 I've never suggested at any point in this thread that you are wrong. All I've asked or challenged you to do is open your mind up to more possibilities.
If what you believe after that inquiry is still correct, well then rock on Dude! But don't cut yourself off from inquiry just because of a bias or disbelief you don't think can be proven as Truth or has been proven to be false.
I'm not afraid of Science challenging the Bible's claims. In fact I encourage it, because if it is a "hoax" I don't want to believe it. However what thrills me is how well its claims stand up to intense Scientific scrutiny...which is all this movie is about.
If you want to dismiss it, fine...it's a free country. But I don't consider your approach to be "free thought".
But you believe what you want to believe in Bro, I don't have a problem with it either way.
I'd say the same for Muslims...if what they believe is True...test that against all else. If it holds up...cool. If it doesn't, try something else.
Theories:
https://www.quora.com/Does-the-universe-expanding-affect-time
Redshift studies.
https://www.wired.com/2007/12/scientists-time/
What was the rate of universal expansion 4.5 billion years ago?
I've been through all this years ago. I used to be a believer you know. I was raised a believer long after all this stuff you ask me to have an open mind about was disproven. Just saying to someone "have an open mind" means nothing when the thing you want them to have an open mind about is known to be nonsense. Will you please just have an open mind as to whether the earth is flat? Please. Why are you so close minded? Just have an open mind.
There are entire fields of science whose sole purpose is to address this stuff. ALL THEY DO is study this stuff. A large number of smart people spending their lives studying this stuff. Why don't the movie makers take their claims to the fields in science instead of making a movie? Because they know they can't make any headway there but that maybe they can make headway among the general public that doesn't know the science.
I don't know but if I wanted to find out I'd consult the people that study this for a living. The consensus opinion I mean, not one or two outliers.
It was disproved long before I stopped believing it was true. The only reason I ever believed in it was I was raised in religion, which in turn was the only reason my parents ever believed in it.
We know what we know today. Consider a newborn baby. You're it's master. You can teach it to believe anything. That doesn't mean what you teach it will be consistent with what we know.
(laughing) Op2, this movie is about Scientists Dude! There's nothing but Scientists quoted in it.
How can you simultaneously insist Science has "proved" the Bible's accounts of Creationism wrong and then dismiss Scientists who say "no it does not"?
Selective Science if you ask me?
Amazing.
Op2 nothing in the Bible was "disproved". It's been around a lot longer than either you or I and withstood much greater scrutiny than your recent revelation that it's all a "hoax".
I suspect long after you and I are gone others will also come around still questioning if it's really True.
Yet nothing in it's original story has changed, and to my knowledge no one has produced the "smoking gun" invalidating it's essential message or story...present company excluded.
Assuming the views expressed in the movie endorse Biblical creationism they do not represent the views of modern science in the slightest. That's reality. Here is the WVU Geology Department.
http://www.geo.wvu.edu/
They are teaching this TODAY at WVU and they're doing so because to the best of their ability they believe it to be true.
There are thousands of other geologic institutions along the same lines. Just because someone makes a movie, about anything, doesn't mean anything.
Yeah, selective science, I select the science believed by the 99.9% of the scientists instead of the science believed by the 0.1%.
I'll go see the movie but I think we sometimes get caught up in the details and ignore the big picture. Whether the earth is 6,000 years old or 6,000,000,000 does not matter to me. It is irrelevant.
What really matters is only one question. Is there a creator?
The universe is both incredibly vast and incredibly delicately balanced. Scientists have described it as being balanced on the edge of a razor. It the universal constants were a miniscule off in one direction or the other, the universerse could not exist.
For example from Ask a Physicist/Mathematician website:
When written down, most physical laws involve at least one physical constant. For example, the “G” in gravitational force:
None of the constants have any reason to be what they are, and not something else. Sure, G=6.673 × 10-11m3kg-1s-2, but why? Why not G=2 m3kg-1s-2 or something?
What’s really spooky is that even tiny changes in most of the physical constants tend to make life, and even the universe as we know it, impossible. Some research (computer simulations mostly) has recently suggested that there are completely different combinations of constants that lead to universes that are unrecognizably strange but still capable of supporting highly complicated systems (and so, possibly life).
The universe was created in one of only two ways, so this is actually pretty simply to analyze. The universe was either created by accident or by design. If by accident, the odds that it would develop with these perfectly ordered constants is virtually impossible if not outright impossible.
So, the Big Bang as a single explosion resulting in the universe makes zero sense. So that is why we have seen many scientists gravitate to the multi-universe theory. In essence, think of a boiling pot of water. Bubbles appear and disappear all the time. The same these scientists believe happens and resulted inour universe. Millions upon millions of universes are being created (explosions) all the time, but almost all if not all end up collapsing or disappearing. There exists no evidence to support this theory, but that is a different debate.
If the universe were designed, then that does a much, much better job of explaining the absolute perfection of the universe, Imo.
I have long argued that an atheist has more faith than I have. An atheist must believe the universe was created by accident. And the mathematical odds of that occurring is off the charts. I only have to believe in a supreme creator powerful enough to design a universe that can not only survive on a razor's edge but support life as well.
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If the Science they're teaching at our beloved institution invalidates Creationism then you are correct Op2. However eliminating it as a possibility is not the same as invalidating it.
WVU is teaching only one position, which is exactly the opposite of true Scientific inquiry. If all possibilities are considered, true investigation would compare and analyze that which holds up to Scientific inquiry and what doesn't.
I love WVU, but I doubt they're teaching the possibility of Creation Science.
Why?
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I give up. This is freaking ridiculous. Why am I wasting my time on this? If any sane person is reading this thread then in the future when I engage people on topics like this please remind my how pointless it is for me to do this.