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BlueRaider22

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So there's no machine to immediately count it? If not, how do you know it will ever get counted?


I've wondered when we will go to voting on computer. It would be easy to take someone's picture and use facial recognition. With computer chips in driver's licenses it would be easy to get that. You would get immediate response on whether or not your vote counted. And the votes could be counted as soon as you cast it.

Sure, fraud could still occur. But the average person would have a much harder time manipulating votes by computer. The average person can very easily take someone's ballot out of their mailbox.
 

Tskware

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I've wondered when we will go to voting on computer. It would be easy to take someone's picture and use facial recognition. With computer chips in driver's licenses it would be easy to get that. You would get immediate response on whether or not your vote counted. And the votes could be counted as soon as you cast it.

Sure, fraud could still occur. But the average person would have a much harder time manipulating votes by computer. The average person can very easily take someone's ballot out of their mailbox.

Could not possibly disagree more, computer is the best way for thousands or millions of votes to be hacked at one time. One reason that elections are so hard to "fix" in America is that it is decentralized, there are hundreds of variations of ballots in Kentucky alone, because they are unique to your precinct, including council, judges, legislative races, county judge executive, etc.

Yes, it is possible to lose a relative few paper ballots, one person could jack around with someone's ballot, or maybe several, even a few hundred, and it surely is a bit more cumbersome, but the benefits far far outweigh the drawbacks.
 

funKYcat75

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There was no one in line at the closest voting location this morning. Dropped mine(s) off in the box. Score one for the good guys or whatever.
 
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I've wondered when we will go to voting on computer. It would be easy to take someone's picture and use facial recognition. With computer chips in driver's licenses it would be easy to get that. You would get immediate response on whether or not your vote counted. And the votes could be counted as soon as you cast it.

Sure, fraud could still occur. But the average person would have a much harder time manipulating votes by computer. The average person can very easily take someone's ballot out of their mailbox.
A lot of people don’t have state issued IDs

And election computer systems have been proven time and time again to be easily hackable.
 
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BlueRaider22

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Could not possibly disagree more, computer is the best way for thousands or millions of votes to be hacked at one time. One reason that elections are so hard to "fix" in America is that it is decentralized, there are hundreds of variations of ballots in Kentucky alone, because they are unique to your precinct, including council, judges, legislative races, county judge executive, etc.

Yes, it is possible to lose a relative few paper ballots, one person could jack around with someone's ballot, or maybe several, even a few hundred, and it surely is a bit more cumbersome, but the benefits far far outweigh the drawbacks.


Not really. You could design a program where it could be fairly safe......thereby making it vulnerable to much fewer......and it would be easier to track where the breach would come from. There's a reason why the NSA, CIA, FBI often are prone to hacks but almost always fail. By the way, this information comes from my brother who is a senior computer programmer for the Dept of Defense and works with the NSA and CIA daily.


This DOES NOT mean that it would be impervious......but the notion that it would be majorly more vulnerable than the current system is false.
 
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Not really. You could design a program where it could be fairly safe......thereby making it vulnerable to much fewer......and it would be easier to track where the breach would come from. There's a reason why the NSA, CIA, FBI often are prone to hacks but almost always fail. By the way, this information comes from my brother who is a senior computer programmer for the Dept of Defense and works with the NSA and CIA daily.


This DOES NOT mean that it would be impervious......but the notion that it would be majorly more vulnerable than the current system is false.
And what is your plan for when something goes wrong with the computers, specifically the software, on Election Day? You can’t just have some random local IT guy there to handle matters.
 
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BlueRaider22

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And what is your plan for when something goes wrong with the computers, specifically the software, on Election Day? You can’t just have some random local IT guy there to handle matters.


Especially at first, you can still have voting centers......then "eventually" they "might" be able to vote from any number of locations.

The software of the actual voting process would be ridiculously easy to write and implement. "Touch the picture of the person you are voting for." "Please confirm that you voted for _____." It would be very easy.......which likely means very robust and not prone to failure. Likely better off than the hanging chad situation.


The other part of the equation would be more problematic. Computerized voting has a number of great perks:
-Vote counts are in real time
-Standardization of voting across the US
-No more reliance upon mail
-Significantly reduce voter fraud.......meaning illegal immigrant voting, voting of dead people, etc.


The hardest part of this all would be verification. Facial recognition, forms of ID verification, citizen status, etc. This would be more difficult to implement.
 
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We should move the election to the Spring. Mail in your tax return and ballot together. Would give everyone an opportunity to look at how much of their money they paid in, and at the same time they would decide who would be best stewards of our hard-earned money. Perhaps when we see how poorly all those effing bass-tards handle our money (and have managed to accrue $30 trillion in debt), maybe we can get the losers out of DC and put in some people with such basic skills as how to balance a budget.
 
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Especially at first, you can still have voting centers......then "eventually" they "might" be able to vote from any number of locations.

The software of the actual voting process would be ridiculously easy to write and implement. "Touch the picture of the person you are voting for." "Please confirm that you voted for _____." It would be very easy.......which likely means very robust and not prone to failure. Likely better off than the hanging chad situation.


The other part of the equation would be more problematic. Computerized voting has a number of great perks:
-Vote counts are in real time
-Standardization of voting across the US
-No more reliance upon mail
-Significantly reduce voter fraud.......meaning illegal immigrant voting, voting of dead people, etc.


The hardest part of this all would be verification. Facial recognition, forms of ID verification, citizen status, etc. This would be more difficult to implement.
lol at thinking the government is capable of developing an easy to use electronic voting system when government software is notoriously awful and antiquated to the point where some applications only have like a handful of people who even know the coding language anymore.
 
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H-D cat

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I requested my ballot 9/29, as did my wife. The KY website says they were mailed 10/1. She got hers a couple days later but mine never arrived. Fortunately the tracking website still says they haven't received it back, so I'm hoping it's in a dumpster somewhere rather than in the hands of someone who will vote in my place. According to the county clerk, as of this year they are no longer allowed to cancel and re-issue ballots. Allegedly I'm allowed to vote in person if I don't get my ballot by 10/28, but I have little hope that this will go smoothly. Mail delivery here in Warren County outside of the BG city limits is an abject disaster (I get more of my neighbors' mail than my own) so in hindsight I never should have requested a ballot in the first place.

I'm sure everyone has been on the edge of their seat wondering, but my ballot arrived today, 21 days after it was mailed, and 19 days after my wife's arrived at the same address. It looks like it traveled through the pits of hell to get here. Definitely going to be hand delivering both of them.
 

BlueRaider22

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lol at thinking the government is capable of developing an easy to use electronic voting system when government software is notoriously awful and antiquated to the point where some applications only have like a handful of people who even know the coding language anymore.


As opposed to developing a non-computer system with 1,000,000 variants, is chock-full with fraud and controversy every single time an election rolls around?..........


.....oh, wait, we've already been dealing with this for decades upon decades......
 

BlueRaider22

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Dude every election is not chock full of fraud and controversy. That's fake news



Lol. Good one.



 

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Can’t wait for Election Day. Gonna roll to all the construction sites and fill the van up with illegals so they can vote two or three times with their Soros provided Fake ID’s. Gotta make sure they vote straight Marxist Socialist though.

Then we’re going to roll down to the Welfare office afterwards and sign everyone up for benefits.