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did u all know that in the war of 1812 the majority of troops came from Kentucky? After the battle of the river raisen in Michigan where hundreds of Kentuckians were slaughtered after surrender , 2000troops were requested. 0ver 4000 men volunteered... later in the war troops were requested to New Orleans , many showed up with no guns or supplies... a man said , I have never seen a Kentuckian without a gun and a bottle of whiskey in my life... the man who said that was Andrew jackson

The war of 1812was our second fight for independance, Tecumseh(Shawnee)was the leader of the Indians who sided with the brits
 
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homeytheclown said:
did u all know that in the war of 1812 the majority of troops came from Kentucky? After the battle of the river raisen in Michigan where hundreds of Kentuckians were slaughtered after surrender , 2000troops were requested. 0ver 4000 men volunteered... later in the war troops were requested to New Orleans , many showed up with no guns or supplies... a man said , I have never seen a Kentuckian without a gun and a bottle of whiskey in my life... the man who said that was Andrew jackson

The war of 1812was our second revolutionary war , Tecumseh was the leader of the Indians who sided with the brits
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One of the Kentuckians was General John Adair who became the 8th governor of Kentucky. Adair county is named after him. He also served in the American Revolutionary war. Jackson and Adair had their differences but in later life became friends and John Adair supported Jackson's candidacy for U.S. President. The Kentuckians who volunteered were promised arms would be provided by the Feds but when they got to New Orleans they were not there. So the ones who did not have their civilian weapons borrowed arms. Once the dust settled down and the battle disputes between Andrew Jackson and John Adair were settled the Kentuckians were seen as having fought with bravery and the Kentucky militia actually saved the East Bank and preserved the American victory over the Brits.
 
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1. I love how we got a cheap shot (Battle of New Orleans) in after the buzzer (Treaty of Ghent) sounded. (of course, this might be semantics)

2. There is some debate surrounding Kentucky's role at the Battle of New Orleans, however.

MYTH #5: Kentucky riflemen were responsible for the American victory.
Days before the main battle on January 8, upwards of 2,000 untrained Kentucky militiamen arrived in New Orleans, ready to defend the city. Most of the poorly equipped riflemen, however, lacked an important accessory—a rifle. Fighting with makeshift weapons, the Kentucky volunteers had little impact on the fight and even infuriated Jackson by taking flight in the midst of battle. “The Kentucky reinforcements, in whom so much reliance had been placed, ingloriously fled,” the general wrote the day after the battle, “thus yielding to the enemy that most formidable position.” Although cannon and artillery fire from the army regulars ultimately inflicted the most damage on the British forces, a popular 1821 song penned by Samuel Woodworth, “The Hunters of Kentucky,” rewrote history by exaggerating the role of the backcountry marksmen. Even though the tune lionized the fighting men Jackson once cursed, its popularity among his political supporters on the frontier persuaded “Old Hickory” to adopt it as his campaign song on his way to winning the White House in 1828.

https://www.history.com/news/6-myths-about-the-battle-of-new-orleans-3


3. There is some debate whether or not Tennessee got it's nickname of the Volunteer State from their contributions during W1812......or if it came more from the Mexican-American War.

4. And, of course, Johnny Horton.....

 
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KopiKat said:
more than 1/2 the American casualties were Kentuckians
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The real losers were the Native Americans. The British had about 50% of the KIA that the US had.....and we're only talking about a thousand or two on either side. The Indians lost scores more.
 
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BlueRaider22 said:
The real losers were the Native Americans. The British had about 50% of the KIA that the US had.....and we're only talking about a thousand or two on either side. The Indians lost scores more.
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Tecumseh apparently was the George Washington of natives, He tried to unit the native tribes against the settlers who took out tribes one by one, and all this time England was in a major war with France.. we sold goods to France ,Britain didn’t like that and took our ships
 
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homeytheclown said:
Tecumseh apparently was the George Washington of natives, He tried to unit the native tribes against the settlers who took out tribes one by one, and all this time England was in a major war with France.. we sold goods to France ,Britain didn’t like that and took our ships
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It's amazing how hindsight is 20-20......and how things could've ended up so differently.
-If Tecumseh could've united the tribes?......ouch....
-If France did not give us support in either war for Independence?......ouch....
-etc.
 
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A general truth. One that long pre-dates the introduction of European settlers, western expansion, etc. As the aggressiveness of native people against the other was not also without losers and winners, deserves no recognition of perfect balance.
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To illustrate how the Natives got screwed, one has to look at the Treaty of Ghent. The result of the treaty was that England and the US just basically called it quits........they each got to keep all the land and riches they had before the war. (All the lands and riches they "acquired" from the Natives)
 
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To illustrate how the Natives got screwed, one has to look at the Treaty of Ghent. The result of the treaty was that England and the US just basically called it quits........they each got to keep all the land and riches they had before the war. (All the lands and riches they "acquired" from the Natives)
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Jose Ferrer. Born 1/8/12.

 
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BlueRaider22 said:
The real losers were the Native Americans. The British had about 50% of the KIA that the US had.....and we're only talking about a thousand or two on either side. The Indians lost scores more.
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The United States lost just about every land based battle fought in that war

Yet won every naval engagement ....
The USS Constitution earned its reputation as “old Ironsides”

“Mr Madison’s War” could have been much worse if the British didn’t have their hands full with some Corsican upstart named Bonaparte at the time :beer:
 
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One of the most irrelevant wars in us history imo. Nothing changed after. It was basically a tie but pre Vietnam people used the battle of new Orleans to count it as a win to brag on the us undefeated war record
 
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UKWildcats#8 said:
One of the most irrelevant wars in us history imo. Nothing changed after. It was basically a tie but pre Vietnam people used the battle of new Orleans to count it as a win to brag on the us undefeated war record
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Yes, very irrelevantly has led to the sustained armistice (peace, then alliance) between the United States and Great Britain.
 
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CastleRubric said:
The United States lost just about every land based battle fought in that war

Yet won every naval engagement ....
The USS Constitution earned its reputation as “old Ironsides”

“Mr Madison’s War” could have been much worse if the British didn’t have their hands full with some Corsican upstart named Bonaparte at the time :beer:
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You ever hear the rumor of what happened to Napoleon? There’s a rumor that Jean Lafitte sailed over to rescue Napoleon from exile.....brought him to Louisiana to live out his days. This is the same Lafitte who made a deal with Andrew Jackson in New Orleans to assist the US during the war. Obviously just a rumor with little evidence, but it’s interesting.
 
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You ever hear the rumor of what happened to Napoleon? There’s a rumor that Jean Lafitte sailed over to rescue Napoleon from exile.....brought him to Louisiana to live out his days. This is the same Lafitte who made a deal with Andrew Jackson in New Orleans to assist the US during the war. Obviously just a rumor with little evidence, but it’s interesting.
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Hadn’t heard that before!
 
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vhcat70 said:
We had fewer than 10K troops when the war started - which is when Brits won those land battles. All they had to do was show up.
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True
There were also really bad intelligence gaffes and leaked plans on our side

Plus a REALLY strange mix of causes-

US sailors arrested at sea and Forced into British naval service

Trapping/fur industry interests in the Michigan/Canadian border region

Central bankers and their interests

Are the Barbary pirates lurking in there somewhere as well?
 
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UKWildcats#8 said:
One of the most irrelevant wars in us history imo. Nothing changed after. It was basically a tie but pre Vietnam people used the battle of new Orleans to count it as a win to brag on the us undefeated war record
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Got the National Anthem out of the War of 1812. Also happens to be the last time foreign soldiers were on American soil.
 
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starchief5 said:
15 would have worked. Two syllables like 14. 12, one syllable, just doesn't cut it.
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Agreed. But using "1814" was more than just staying to the rhythm of the song. The battle was fought on January 8th, 1815......so the soldiers would've had to "make a little trip" in 1814 to reach New Orleans.
 
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Tskware said:
Got the National Anthem out of the War of 1812. Also happens to be the last time foreign soldiers were on American soil.
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No....and yes.

The Japanese invaded and occupied the Aleutian Islands in WWII when Alaska was a US territory. But the War of 1812 was the last time foreign soldiers were in the continental US.
 
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vhcat70 said:
Pancho Villa, Mexican General, New Mexico,1916.
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Think he was more of a terrorist/revolutionary, using that standard then 9-11 qualifies as well

I guess to be absolutely 100% correct, then War of 1812 was last war in which US States (not territory which later became states, e.g. Hawaii in 1941 and Alaska) were occupied by regular uniformed troops (e.g., not revolutionaries or terrorists) of a foreign nation. Does that definition satisfy the Paddock history department? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
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