Way Too Early Playoffs

[Old Mountaineer]

There can be two conference "champions" for playoff seeding purposes as long as they meet the criteria.

The teams in each region will be seeded as follows:

(1) Seed all 1st place automatic berths by RPI rating.​

NOTE: The highest finishing team in its half of a split conference must finish in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place overall and/or have an overall winning percentage of .500 or higher in order to be seeded as a #1. Otherwise, the team will be seeded with all other at-large teams.​

(2) Seed all 2nd place automatic berths or conference tournament champions and at-large berths by RPI rating.​

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So for example, in this conference:​

Avery​

Draughn​

Mitchell​

Mountain Heritage​

Rosman​

Madison (2A)​

Owen (2A)​

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Say Mitchell wins overall going 6-0. Madison or Owen would have to finish above .500 overall or top three in conference in order to be seeded with the conference champions in 2A. If they don't meet either of those requirements, they would still automatically qualify (since there are at least 2, 2A teams in conference) but would be seeded with all of the 2nd place automatic qualifiers and at-large teams.​

not saying you're incorrect but just curious where you found the info all I could find was this, It's a little different.
Automatic Qualification
• Each conference will be allotted playoff berths based on the number of schools fielding a team in a particular sport
o 1-5 Teams = 1 Berth (Conference Champion)
o 6+ Teams = 2 Berths (Conference Champion + 2
nd Place or Conference Tournament Champion)
• The highest finishing team from a given classification in a split conference will automatically qualify, regardless of
overall conference finish (minimum of 2 schools per classification)
• Addition of RPI rating to Handbook for conference tie-breaking procedure as the final tiebreaker
Wildcards
The remaining non-automatic teams in each region (East/West) will fill the remaining berths based solely upon their RPI rating.
Seeding
• Conference champions will be seeded before any other qualifying teams by RPI rating
• All other teams will be seeded after the conference champions by RPI rating of the school, regardless of conference finish
• Each region (East/West) will be seeded independently of one another, utilizing the RPI rating of the school

I downloaded this on the NCHSAA site under.....2021-2022 NCHSAA Team Sport
Contest Limitations, Playoff, and Seeding Format

 

[KW2346]

Top 7 seeds will be conference winners based on rpi. So 1.eastern randolph 2.mt airy 3.robbinsville 4.Mitchell 5.Thomasville 6.thomas Jefferson 7.mountain island charter. Thomas Jefferson and Mic will be highest ranked 1a teams in there conference. Then everyone else then ranked by rpi finish. Forget all that automatic qualifying mess when everyone but 2 teams will make the playoffs that automatic qualifying won't matter for seeding purposes since everyone makes it.

 

[TVILLEDAWG2370]

I’m sure they could/can work something out to have them out earlier

 

[FarWestNorthCarolinaSports]

I doubt it but Maybe.

 

[ncfootball_17]

not saying you're incorrect but just curious where you found the info all I could find was this, It's a little different.
Automatic Qualification
• Each conference will be allotted playoff berths based on the number of schools fielding a team in a particular sport
o 1-5 Teams = 1 Berth (Conference Champion)
o 6+ Teams = 2 Berths (Conference Champion + 2
nd Place or Conference Tournament Champion)
• The highest finishing team from a given classification in a split conference will automatically qualify, regardless of
overall conference finish (minimum of 2 schools per classification)
• Addition of RPI rating to Handbook for conference tie-breaking procedure as the final tiebreaker
Wildcards
The remaining non-automatic teams in each region (East/West) will fill the remaining berths based solely upon their RPI rating.
Seeding
• Conference champions will be seeded before any other qualifying teams by RPI rating
• All other teams will be seeded after the conference champions by RPI rating of the school, regardless of conference finish
• Each region (East/West) will be seeded independently of one another, utilizing the RPI rating of the school

I downloaded this on the NCHSAA site under.....2021-2022 NCHSAA Team Sport
Contest Limitations, Playoff, and Seeding Format

I found it here: Handbook

The qualifying and seeding process is on page 72.

 

[Old Mountaineer]

I found it here: Handbook

The qualifying and seeding process is on page 72.

if you add the content before

"(b) The highest finishing team from a given classification in a split conference will automatically qualify,
regardless of overall conference finish, provided there are at least two schools from each classifica-
tion in that split confernce.
(c) Any remaining, non-automatic qualifying teams in each region (East/West) will fill the remaining
berths based solely upon their RPI rating."

plus your quote and the one from their q&a part that I quoted.
It still seems say to me at least if team A is 2A and team B is 1A in a split conference that if team A wins the conference and team B is the highest 1A school then team A will be seeded first in the 2A playoffs with other conference champions while team B is an automatic qualifier won't be seeded with the conference champions.
If I am wrong then they need to make that correction. Example in whc a 1A will win the conference the best 2A Owen can end up is 5-5 but let's say if they had won one more of their non-conference games and was 6-4 and was crown the 2A champ and was seeded with other 2A champions that means you'd have the possibility of 6-4 team seeded higher then a 7-3 or 8-2 team who didn't win their conference. Not that it couldn't happen anyway in a weak conference but at least they would have won the whole conference.

 

[KW2346]

Old mountaineer I believe that's happened every year....teams with worse records seeded higher than teams with better records based on the yearly changing rules of playoffs...every year there is new rules new seeding that comes out...they need to stick with something...even if it sucks stick with it. The constant yearly changes is annoying.

 

[FarWestNorthCarolinaSports]

LET'S GO BRANDON!
LET'S GO BRANDON!

 

[bigtime_87]

Top 7 seeds will be conference winners based on rpi. So 1.eastern randolph 2.mt airy 3.robbinsville 4.Mitchell 5.Thomasville 6.thomas Jefferson 7.mountain island charter. Thomas Jefferson and Mic will be highest ranked 1a teams in there conference. Then everyone else then ranked by rpi finish. Forget all that automatic qualifying mess when everyone but 2 teams will make the playoffs that automatic qualifying won't matter for seeding purposes since everyone makes it.

ER and MA will be undefeated. THS will be 8-1. Can someone tell me more about MIC and TJ? The SMC has several huge games coming up the last few weeks. The West will be loaded in rounds 2 forward after all the trash teams get crushed in the first round. That top 10 is very strong.

 

[ncfootball_17]

if you add the content before

"(b) The highest finishing team from a given classification in a split conference will automatically qualify,
regardless of overall conference finish, provided there are at least two schools from each classifica-
tion in that split confernce.
(c) Any remaining, non-automatic qualifying teams in each region (East/West) will fill the remaining
berths based solely upon their RPI rating."

plus your quote and the one from their q&a part that I quoted.
It still seems say to me at least if team A is 2A and team B is 1A in a split conference that if team A wins the conference and team B is the highest 1A school then team A will be seeded first in the 2A playoffs with other conference champions while team B is an automatic qualifier won't be seeded with the conference champions.
If I am wrong then they need to make that correction. Example in whc a 1A will win the conference the best 2A Owen can end up is 5-5 but let's say if they had won one more of their non-conference games and was 6-4 and was crown the 2A champ and was seeded with other 2A champions that means you'd have the possibility of 6-4 team seeded higher then a 7-3 or 8-2 team who didn't win their conference. Not that it couldn't happen anyway in a weak conference but at least they would have won the whole conference.

Yes, a team with a worse record or team with a lower ranking can be seeded higher if they meet the criteria of being seeded as a conference champion.

Even if Owen finishes 5-5, they would still be seeded as a conference finisher as there are at least two, 2A teams in that conference and they meet the criteria of being .500 or top 3 in conference. I'm sure this rule is mostly in place for teams that are in smaller classifications (imagine if the 2A teams ran a conference and the 1A teams could never be considered as top finishers and always had to play away playoff games due to this).

 

[f-ball-ace]

The remaining non-automatic teams in each region (East/West) will fill the remaining berths based solely upon their RPI rating.

All other teams will be seeded after the conference champions by RPI rating of the school, regardless of conference finish

This is somewhat like they did in the spring with "wildcards" with the exception of the RPI rating system and the number of wildcards were limited to two per class. (I think).

 

[Old Mountaineer]

Yes, a team with a worse record or team with a lower ranking can be seeded higher if they meet the criteria of being seeded as a conference champion.

Even if Owen finishes 5-5, they would still be seeded as a conference finisher as there are at least two, 2A teams in that conference and they meet the criteria of being .500 or top 3 in conference. I'm sure this rule is mostly in place for teams that are in smaller classifications (imagine if the 2A teams ran a conference and the 1A teams could never be considered as top finishers and always had to play away playoff games due to this).

True I should have read it again before posting for some reason I had it in my head that you have to be above .500 but I still don't read anything that suggest that they'll be seated in the first round of seeding with other conference champions but wouldn't bet a money that I'm right. But time will give the answer Owen has a pretty good chance of going .500 they're hardest game to make it probably will be at Avery, but if they don't there are some other split conferences who have .500 teams from the classification that won't win the conference out right.

 

[Mitchell county mountie]

True I should have read it again before posting for some reason I had it in my head that you have to be above .500 but I still don't read anything that suggest that they'll be seated in the first round of seeding with other conference champions but wouldn't bet a money that I'm right. But time will give the answer Owen has a pretty good chance of going .500 they're hardest game to make it probably will be at Avery, but if they don't there are some other split conferences who have .500 teams from the classification that won't win the conference out right.

I think Madison has a better shot than Owen. They play Draughn, Avery, Mountain Heritage, and Owen. A 4-2 conference record is not out of the question. If the Pats out physicals Draughn tomorrow night, and plays ball control, I think they'll win. I believe they are better than Avery and Owen. I'm gonna have to take back my previous prediction of them beating Heritage, as the Cougars have improved as the season has progressed.

 

[Old Mountaineer]

I think Madison has a better shot than Owen. They play Draughn, Avery, Mountain Heritage, and Owen. A 4-2 conference record is not out of the question. If the Pats out physicals Draughn tomorrow night, and plays ball control, I think they'll win. I believe they are better than Avery and Owen. I'm gonna have to take back my previous prediction of them beating Heritage, as the Cougars have improved as the season has progressed.

You might be right but I personally don't think Madison will win another game.

 

[purple95]

I think Madison has a better shot than Owen. They play Draughn, Avery, Mountain Heritage, and Owen. A 4-2 conference record is not out of the question. If the Pats out physicals Draughn tomorrow night, and plays ball control, I think they'll win. I believe they are better than Avery and Owen. I'm gonna have to take back my previous prediction of them beating Heritage, as the Cougars have improved as the season has progressed.

Yep Heritage finally shows up

 

[purple95]

You might be right but I personally don't think Madison will win another game.

I think they'll beat Draughn I may be wrong but Draughn looks terrible

 

[Old Mountaineer]

I think they'll beat Draughn I may be wrong but Draughn looks terrible

I don't think they looked as bad as Madison I believe they have a better offense if they've gotten the bad snaps under control that really hurt them but they got Mitchell on some pass plays.

 

[Player2020]

You know if heritage beats mitchell they may be top seed in the west.

 

[purple95]

You know if heritage beats mitchell they may be top seed in the west.

Heritage wouldn't be top seed in the west if they beat the Dallas Cowboys lol

 

[purple95]

I don't think they looked as bad as Madison I believe they have a better offense if they've gotten the bad snaps under control that really hurt them but they got Mitchell on some pass plays.

Call me crazy I think Madison could and may beat em

 

[purple95]

I think Madison has a better shot than Owen. They play Draughn, Avery, Mountain Heritage, and Owen. A 4-2 conference record is not out of the question. If the Pats out physicals Draughn tomorrow night, and plays ball control, I think they'll win. I believe they are better than Avery and Owen. I'm gonna have to take back my previous prediction of them beating Heritage, as the Cougars have improved as the season has progressed.

I think Madison could beat Draughn A very and Owen

 

[purple95]

Yes, a team with a worse record or team with a lower ranking can be seeded higher if they meet the criteria of being seeded as a conference champion.

Even if Owen finishes 5-5, they would still be seeded as a conference finisher as there are at least two, 2A teams in that conference and they meet the criteria of being .500 or top 3 in conference. I'm sure this rule is mostly in place for teams that are in smaller classifications (imagine if the 2A teams ran a conference and the 1A teams could never be considered as top finishers and always had to play away playoff games due to this).

I hate it for them but Owen wont finish 5-5 maybe 3-7

 

[Mitchell county mountie]

You know if heritage beats mitchell they may be top seed in the west.

Yep, as long as Mount Airy, Thomasville, Eastern Randolph, Mitchell, Andrews, and Thomas Jefferson lost their remaining games. Mountain Heritage is ranked 7th in the RPI little dude.

 

[Mhsneer]

Heritage wouldn't be top seed in the west if they beat the Dallas Cowboys lol

They for sure could win the nfc North.

 

[Tarboro Vikings fan 2018]

Yep, as long as Mount Airy, Thomasville, Eastern Randolph, Mitchell, Andrews, and Thomas Jefferson lost their remaining games. Mountain Heritage is ranked 7th in the RPI little dude.

If Eastern Randolph goes undefeated would they be the 1 seed or would it go to Mount airy?

 

[Old Mountaineer]

If Eastern Randolph goes undefeated would they be the 1 seed or would it go to Mount airy?

Good question depends on if the rule about split conferences is A: that you crown both 1A and 2A champion and both are seeded in their playoffs as conference champions or
B: if you only have one champ and the first place team in the other classification gets seated after conference champions with the other automatic qualiters

A: ER is probably will be #1
B: MA probably will be #1

 

[Mitchell county mountie]

If Eastern Randolph goes undefeated would they be the 1 seed or would it go to Mount airy?

Probably ER as they have the better RPI. Even with an ER loss, I don't think Mount Airy's weak schedule will allow them to jump...

 

[theKidd#12]

Probably ER as they have the better RPI. Even with an ER loss, I don't think Mount Airy's weak schedule will allow them to jump...

ER game next week against Providence Grove, as always, will be interesting. Since the division of the student body that resulted when PG was built makes for an intense rivalry in every sport.
After that only obstacle left really is a visit to orange/blue and the roundabouts…

 

[Player2020]

That hetitage win at swain looking big now, if Swain beats Andrews. You know Andrews beat mitchell by 2 scores

 

[purple95]

That hetitage win at swain looking big now, if Swain beats Andrews. You know Andrews beat mitchell by 2 scores

That hetitage win at swain looking big now, if Swain beats Andrews. You know Andrews beat mitchell by 2 scores

Didn't you say it's all about matchups? We hung a bunch on Erwin you almost lost to them, my kid is at Avery watching tonight he said both teams sucks, it would be dead even if it wasnt for bbn penalties on Avery lol I cant wait till next week then you disappear lol

 

[purple95]

That hetitage win at swain looking big now, if Swain beats Andrews. You know Andrews beat mitchell by 2 scores

You almost put a running clock on the 2nd worst team in the conference no offense to Avery but they have 2 good players, Andrew's and Grusso, good luck next fri lol

 

[purple95]

Heritage has no depth, otherwise their starters wouldn't have all been in with 2 minutes to go at Avery, I'd say they're in trouble next fri!

 

[Chute Boxe Hero]

ER game next week against Providence Grove, as always, will be interesting. Since the division of the student body that resulted when PG was built makes for an intense rivalry in every sport.
After that only obstacle left really is a visit to orange/blue and the roundabouts…

I'm so ready for October 29. Even more so than next week.......

 

[ncfootball_17]

I hate it for them but Owen wont finish 5-5 maybe 3-7

I don't care if they go 0-10. The teams used were only for an example.

 

[purple95]

I don't care if they go 0-10. The teams used were only for an example.

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