Way too early prediction for next season...

Laettner

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This is a great point. Javin has all the tools to be an amazing SF. He's no Tatum on offense, but Tatum wasn't exactly elite on defense for most of the year. I'm along for the ride. Whoever wants to put on the blue and white, I'm ready to watch them fight and grow. The Gamecocks didn't have tons of paper talent, and they whipped us good. If we play with that kind of cohesiveness and fire next season, we'll be right up there again. You only need one or two star players and a great supporting cast to go the distance. We faltered in the round of 32 this season. Ante up and play again.

Justise was the ultimate intangibles guy, he could do it all. Very underappreciated IMO. Can Jav be that type of player? we'll see.
 
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duhondukie

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It's funny how people were crying throughout the year that we didn't play Chase, Javin, Vrank, Jack White and now we barely recognize their existence when complaining that we have nothing next year.

Now I don't know which one of that group will contribute next year, but I still find it funny when we as a fan base criticize coaching decisions regarding time management and then write these players off as the sky is falling when thinking which rotation players won't be back next year.

I agree with you but if those guys get a little experience this year next year wouldn't be as rough.
 

Showenuff

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All this "One and Done" talk is generated from BS read at other schools boards, who can't land "One and Done" for various reasons like , SCANDALS, sorry coaches, etc.
 
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It's funny how people were crying throughout the year that we didn't play Chase, Javin, Vrank, Jack White and now we barely recognize their existence when complaining that we have nothing next year.

Now I don't know which one of that group will contribute next year, but I still find it funny when we as a fan base criticize coaching decisions regarding time management and then write these players off as the sky is falling when thinking which rotation players won't be back next year.
I'm most worried about Chase and Javin leaving next year which is why I think we won't have much. Vrank and Jack White I have no idea what we've got there besides highschool highlights to go off of.
 

dukiejay

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....but it's clear the one and done formula doesn't work outside of 2015 and 2012.

If you're basing that solely off winning national championships, then you might have a point. Even still....UK has been to multiple Final Fours, in addition to their national championship. I think some people are just being a little reactionary....which is quite common.
 
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dukiejay

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I'm most worried about Chase and Javin leaving next year which is why I think we won't have much. Vrank and Jack White I have no idea what we've got there besides highschool highlights to go off of.

Transfers are always a possibility, yes....but I'd be surprised if Chase and Javin moved on. The rumor is that Chase could have played some the last few weeks, but that the rotation seemed to be decided, he wasn't quite all the way back from injury and Duke will look to apply for a medical redshirt for him. Javin isn't going anywhere, IMO.
 

pisgah101

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If you're basing that solely off winning national championships, then you might have a point. Even still....UK has been to multiple Final Fours, in addition to their national championship. I think some people are just being a little reactionary....which is quite common.

Well yes solely on ships but outside of the 15 yr we haven't even really had anymore success doing one and done then without them
 
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I'm most worried about Chase and Javin leaving next year which is why I think we won't have much. Vrank and Jack White I have no idea what we've got there besides highschool highlights to go off of.
Javin isn't leaving. I mentioned this in another thread, but he posted a picture with the acc trophy and titled it "the first of many" so he's planning on being here.
 
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Transfers are always a possibility, yes....but I'd be surprised if Chase and Javin moved on. The rumor is that Chase could have played some the last few weeks, but that the rotation seemed to be decided, he wasn't quite all the way back from injury and Duke will look to apply for a medical redshirt for him. Javin isn't going anywhere, IMO.
Good to hear. Something medically had to have been going on with Chase for him to play minutes the previous year, but very few this year. Was Javin just not ready for big minutes?
 

dukiejay

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Well yes solely on ships but outside of the 15 yr we haven't even really had anymore success doing one and done then without them

I can't really argue with you there. You're right. But I still maintain bringing in the best players gives us the best chance. I'd like to think this season was a bit of an anomaly. We had the veteran presence in Amile, Matt and Grayson, we had the guy go from role player to star in Luke, and had one of the best freshmen in the entire country build his game in February and March....but alas, it wasn't meant to be. In the NCAA Tournament you don't get a free pass....and to be honest, we kind of got one in the first half last night, we just didn't capitalize.
 

pisgah101

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I can't really argue with you there. You're right. But I still maintain bringing in the best players gives us the best chance. I'd like to think this season was a bit of an anomaly. We had the veteran presence in Amile, Matt and Grayson, we had the guy go from role player to star in Luke, and had one of the best freshmen in the entire country build his game in February and March....but alas, it wasn't meant to be. In the NCAA Tournament you don't get a free pass....and to be honest, we kind of got one in the first half last night, we just didn't capitalize.

You're deff right. The stars aligned for us at the end of the year and I really don't know where the blame lays because Matt and amile and Grayson and Tatum put it all out there last night I feel. That's a mix of old and new so I'm just very frustrated hopefully things look better in the next couple weeks for Duke (and Carolina don't win which I think they might)
 

Duke It Out

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What Duke "should" have next year:
Jack
Javin
O'Connell
Vrank
Wendell
Gary
Jeter
Frank

What Duke "could" have:
Grayson
Luke
Marques
Harry
Duval
Knox

Just looking at what Duke should have, they really only need a player or two, at the most. Obviously, Duval is the major factor here. He is the point guard we need, but he also would be on the court a good amount. You can't play 4 guards at one time.

Something has to give here. Of the potential 6 possible players Duke could retain or add, Duval and one more is the ideal combo. I'd take Duval and Allen, and be ecstatic. That is the best scenario for Duke IMO.
 
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chov1125

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I can't really argue with you there. You're right. But I still maintain bringing in the best players gives us the best chance. I'd like to think this season was a bit of an anomaly. We had the veteran presence in Amile, Matt and Grayson, we had the guy go from role player to star in Luke, and had one of the best freshmen in the entire country build his game in February and March....but alas, it wasn't meant to be. In the NCAA Tournament you don't get a free pass....and to be honest, we kind of got one in the first half last night, we just didn't capitalize.

The '15 group seemed to fit so nicely in terms of being a complete team. They had a pure point guard, a senior 1/2 who could shoot defend and had guts and leadership oozing from his pores, a D and 3 guy, a do it all type wing that could guard multiple positions and defend rim, a 4 who could defend rebound and had a high basketball IQ, and a 5 who was a stud offensive post player as well as other solid guys for depth. I mean really try to draw up a more complete team, you can't.

This year was dysfunctional from health all the way through our make up of personnel. A world of talent doesn't matter when it doesn't cover all of your needs. Last night we could have used a tyus jones to get initial penetration without being stripped, we could have used a Jahlil okafor to play inside out and loosen up the help D, we could have used a Justise Winslow whose length and versatility would have given multiple SCarolona players fits including thornwell.

As weird as it sounds based on pre season pre injury expectations I think we got the most out of this group that we could this year. After that Nc St loss some thought we wouldn't even make the tournament, so to pull it all together and make that ACC tournament run was something special regardless of our original goals. Another tournament win or two would have really changed this gross final feeling but still the one and done isn't a black and white yes or no concept it's all about putting the right team together IMO, regardless of draftability
 
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Jakarii

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When has being NBA ready stopped guys from leaving? Scouts have Kennard as a late first round lock, Allen may just leave because he feels he's ready

I honestly think everybody returns except Tatum. They're not ready for that NBA
 

germantondevil

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We desperately need Duvall to commit and promise Coach that we will not repeat this year and that Duke will be a final four contender again,,,,,,,just like Stones T Jones did. Then back it up.
 
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K-oach Q

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Just a question...

We could potentially lose eight...is this correct?

How many will we bring in...Five?

Will those five plus maybe Frank leave again next year for six more?..

We would have to then replace 5-6 more players....the following season??

To me you can't build a program that way it doesn't work....JMO
 

Smythe13

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and to be honest, we kind of got one in the first half last night, we just didn't capitalize.

Exactly. Duke had a chance to really put them away in the first half and didn't. They looked really good and had a few chances to create separation. Something this team never did except against GT and Miami.
 

IPSYCHOSIS

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Please no no ...I think we all learned from this season...understandable though everybody in the country had us winning it all lol...ughhh man I can't wait for next season already sucks..i see our guys coming together for 1 more run and sticking it to all the haters ..k as well ..
 

RanDEVILman

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I think people are a bit gun-shy about making statements about how good we will be because A) we have no real idea who will be back and B) we just saw maybe Duke's most highly touted recruiting class fail (not assigning blame) to live up to expectations (which may have been too high.)

If we end up with a lineup of...

Jackson
Trent
OC?
Carter
Bolden or Jeter

With the bench we would have... well, that could be rough.

Would it really be that rough though? That's still more big time recruit talent than half the sweet sixteen field.