WBB Recruiting: Any Chance of getting A. Chavez?

Evilchicken

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Seems like a Juju Watkins/Hidalgo type of scoring threat. Any chance we can land her?
She wears a lot of UCLA swag…
 

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She's trying to get someone to pay her a million dollar NIL deal. I don't think we pay it, but it's interesting that she has left us on her list of schools.
 
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Evilchicken

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Roll out the dough! Adding a lights out shooter is the perfect compliment to what we bring back next year. We need a superstar to compliment Edwards
 

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But it's a money-loser - a testament to the Bizarro economics of college athletics today. NIL is here to stay, but it should be returned to its original intent. I'm afraid that will have to start with the proverbial "act of Congress".
 

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But it's a money-loser - a testament to the Bizarro economics of college athletics today. NIL is here to stay, but it should be returned to its original intent. I'm afraid that will have to start with the proverbial "act of Congress".
The orginal intent is most likely found today in NCAA D-III and NAIA. And Club teams.
 

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But it's a money-loser - a testament to the Bizarro economics of college athletics today. NIL is here to stay, but it should be returned to its original intent. I'm afraid that will have to start with the proverbial "act of Congress".
Actually, I don’t think it’s a loser. The university and the BOT have been using the basketball program as a loss lead to domestic degree for donors.

…,,, just think if you listen to new AD Jeremiah Donati on how far we are behind in luxury seating at our basketball venue and at our football venue. Season tickets for women basketball average about two dollars per ticket. That price has been around for a decade plus.

So you look at all that kind of stuff and you look at the financial statement and then you scratch your head and say this is fixable accounting loss in WBB. There is positive revenue there thats not accounted properly.
 

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Actually, I don’t think it’s a loser. The university and the BOT have been using the basketball program as a loss lead to domestic degree for donors.

…,,, just think if you listen to new AD Jeremiah Donati on how far we are behind in luxury seating at our basketball venue and at our football venue. Season tickets for women basketball average about two dollars per ticket. That price has been around for a decade plus.

So you look at all that kind of stuff and you look at the financial statement and then you scratch your head and say this is fixable accounting loss in WBB. There is positive revenue there thats not accounted properly.

From a 1/16/25 article in The State regarding the coming revenue-sharing model:

Sportico's College Finances Database shows that South Carolina women's basketball has spent, on average, $5.1 million more than it's made in revenue in each year from 2017-2023. A lot of that is tied up in salaries for Staley and her coaching staff. “We may not make more than we spend — like a lot of programs.
Voodoo accounting wouldn't fix anything but perception. When it comes to money, that won't get it.
 

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The orginal intent is most likely found today in NCAA D-III and NAIA. And Club teams.
Yes, those would typify the original intent of college athletics, the original intent of NIL is a different topic. It did not envision collectives or school-administered slush funds, which is where we are and where we are headed.
 
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Actually, I don’t think it’s a loser. The university and the BOT have been using the basketball program as a loss lead to domestic degree for donors.

…,,, just think if you listen to new AD Jeremiah Donati on how far we are behind in luxury seating at our basketball venue and at our football venue. Season tickets for women basketball average about two dollars per ticket. That price has been around for a decade plus.

So you look at all that kind of stuff and you look at the financial statement and then you scratch your head and say this is fixable accounting loss in WBB. There is positive revenue there thats not accounted properly.
This statement is not actually true. Season tickets that now sell for $200 each sold for $45 a seat three years ago. I love WBB and it has been and still is a deal. I do agree with your point. The “valuation” of the USC brand and goodwill is off the charts. It will never be a classic P&L winner but is immeasurable on the balance sheet and marketing our University.
 

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Actually, I don’t think it’s a loser. The university and the BOT have been using the basketball program as a loss lead to domestic degree for donors.

…,,, just think if you listen to new AD Jeremiah Donati on how far we are behind in luxury seating at our basketball venue and at our football venue. Season tickets for women basketball average about two dollars per ticket. That price has been around for a decade plus.

So you look at all that kind of stuff and you look at the financial statement and then you scratch your head and say this is fixable accounting loss in WBB. There is positive revenue there thats not accounted properly.
The positive revenue is called "good will." The 5.1 million is an investment.

I attended the Mississippi game at CLA a year ago (my first visit to that venue). Tickets were selling at $25.00 a piece. Of course, that's just one game, not the average per game for a season package. Still, it's reflective of interest in the program. And I prefer watching the women play than the men. Even non-USC programs.
 

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Yes, those would typify the original intent of college athletics, the original intent of NIL is a different topic. It did not envision collectives or school-administered slush funds, which is where we are and where we are headed.
Excactly, King.

I merely point that out to thise who think that the college game is done is that it's D-I which is done. D-II, I'm not sure, as athletic scholarships are allowed in D-II, but are forbidden in D-III.
 
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From a 1/16/25 article in The State regarding the coming revenue-sharing model:


Voodoo accounting wouldn't fix anything but perception. When it comes to money, that won't get it.
Well if you keep ticket prices on average less than $2 - the University chooses to lose $ in WBB. My point is their is no desire for our 501C to make any additional money in WBB.
 

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This statement is not actually true. Season tickets that now sell for $200 each sold for $45 a seat three years ago. I love WBB and it has been and still is a deal. I do agree with your point. The “valuation” of the USC brand and goodwill is off the charts. It will never be a classic P&L winner but is immeasurable on the balance sheet and marketing our University.
Don't forget the free unadvertised dollars we get from the press based on WBB success. Everytime they mention university of South Carolina on television when our ladies play.
 
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Well if you keep ticket prices on average less than $2 - the University chooses to lose $ in WBB. My point is their is no desire for our 501C to make any additional money in WBB.
They haven't been that for a long time.
 

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Don't forget the free unadvertised dollars we get from the press based on WBB success. Everytime they mention university of South Carolina on television when our ladies play.
Soft dollars, virtually impossible to convincingly quantify. I'm somewhat of an expert on this, having written proposals using soft dollar potential to justify hard-dollar capital expenditures. Beyond a certain point, the hard-dollar business people are not moved. I wouldn't try to get it past Warren Buffett.
 

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But it's a money-loser - a testament to the Bizarro economics of college athletics today. NIL is here to stay, but it should be returned to its original intent. I'm afraid that will have to start with the proverbial "act of Congress".
There's a chance the new NCAA tournament payout system with WBB will make it a money maker, or at least a program that could break even.
 

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There's a chance the new NCAA tournament payout system with WBB will make it a money maker, or at least a program that could break even.
Does the money go to the players or the schools? If to the schools, do conferences fix the shares given to the schools? If the schools get the money and allocate it to the various sports, would the WBB share be high enough to offset its deficit? There's much to be determined.
 

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Does the money go to the players or the schools? If to the schools, do conferences fix the shares given to the schools? If the schools get the money and allocate it to the various sports, would the WBB share be high enough to offset its deficit? There's much to be determined.
I'm not sure on the specific details, but WBB will bring in a lot more revenue than it did in the past.


Well, after reading the details, it won't be that much. The funds will go to the conference.
 
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I'm not sure on the specific details, but WBB will bring in a lot more revenue than it did in the past.


Well, after reading the details, it won't be that much. The funds will go to the conference.
At least the SEC typically gets a lot of bids. If this gets us into the black, I'll be delighted, and somewhat surprised.
 

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At least the SEC typically gets a lot of bids. If this gets us into the black, I'll be delighted, and somewhat surprised.
A lot of bids and having those teams win as many tournament games as possible will be the key to the payouts. But the dollar amounts really don't seem that big and once you split the money 16, 18, or 20 ways among super-conference members . . .
 

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Does the money go to the players or the schools? If to the schools, do conferences fix the shares given to the schools? If the schools get the money and allocate it to the various sports, would the WBB share be high enough to offset its deficit? There's much to be determined.
Goes to the SEC