Welp, look for Booker to move up a few more spots...
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For sure on the surface, but much about the draft is not for the present and very often is not rational. I certainly want him back here next year and think his dad wants that too.
On the same team is Draymond Green who has turned into a stud. He dropped to the second round due to sticking around and getting picked apart. A lot decisions are made out of fear of missing on a star than finding solid players....eg Prince, Hayes.
This post was edited on 1/24 11:19 AM by qwesley
Oh i know there is no rationality to the nba draft. And the funny thing is how smug the scouts and analyst are about players. Alwasy read scouts takes on players and they are so all knowing, yet their probably below 50% on success rate.
LOL! I was cursing Andrew earlier this morning when I was shoveling the snow out of my driveway. Thanks Andrew, blanket Lexington with 5 inches of snow when you're on the road in Columbia!
The problem with drafting frosh like Booker or Oubre or even Lyles is getting them enough run in that first contract to figure out if you should invest in a second contract. And teams that are generally drafting in the 20s are playoff teams that aren't going to play many young guys. Huge catch 22 for both sides.
Klay Thompson scores NBA record 37 points in a quarter
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This post was edited on 1/24 10:15 AM by Kycatspaws
Pretty sure what Klay Thompson did last night or next week has absolutely zero impact where Booker is projected or drafted.
I'm not sure if it's this or if there simply aren't that many great basketball players right now coming into the NBA.
I think there's been a devolving of skills at the youth level, an erosion of coaching, and much more of an emphasis on raw physicality than there's ever been.
I'm not a pessimist when it comes to this sport. It's still a great sport. On any given night an NBA game is ridiculously good. But if you think about the individual talent that has come into the NBA over the last ten years, the number of truly elite players seems low, and there's a multitude of sameness.
This, plus the fact that the NBA scouts only get to evaluate the best prospects for one year against college competition. If they got to watch for three years like the NFL or if the only draftees you know about are the ones who made it to the majors like MLB ( you dont hear about all their draft misses because they never get called up), they would have a better track record, but they're pretty good now.
i don't know if that's true, Joneslab.
i just think the bar has been set impossibly high for players now.
every player that goes into the league, they're not compared to their contemporaries. they're immediately compared to the Hall of Fame. and if they don't live up to it in the first five years, they're terrible. beginning of careers vs end of the very best careers.
example: Lebron James or Michael Jordan?
Jordan has been done playing basketball forever now. he's one of the best that's ever done it.
James is still very much in the middle of his career, but he's been compared to Jordan since he entered the league.
Joel Embiid has never played a pro game, and is being compared to Hakeem Olajuwon. how is that fair?
the standard just isn't the standard anymore. the very tippy top of the mountain is now the standard.
there are some tremendous basketball players in the NBA. a ton of talent. but they aren't already in the Hall, so they're not that good.
(edit note: for some reason, "Hakeem" was bolded)
This post was edited on 1/24 8:56 AM by DCFseattle
i just think the bar has been set impossibly high for players now.
every player that goes into the league, they're not compared to their contemporaries. they're immediately compared to the Hall of Fame. and if they don't live up to it in the first five years, they're terrible. beginning of careers vs end of the very best careers.
example: Lebron James or Michael Jordan?
Jordan has been done playing basketball forever now. he's one of the best that's ever done it.
James is still very much in the middle of his career, but he's been compared to Jordan since he entered the league.
Joel Embiid has never played a pro game, and is being compared to Hakeem Olajuwon. how is that fair?
the standard just isn't the standard anymore. the very tippy top of the mountain is now the standard.
there are some tremendous basketball players in the NBA. a ton of talent. but they aren't already in the Hall, so they're not that good.
(edit note: for some reason, "Hakeem" was bolded)
This post was edited on 1/24 8:56 AM by DCFseattle
I'll just throw my opinion out there. When Booker gains the ability to slash to the basket (and if he were to come back to college, it's possible), he'll be a lottery pick. He's a dead eye shooter from 3 and from the long 2, he can finish at the basket in transition, and he's very strong, and fast whenever he pushes the ball. I believe he needs to work on handling it a bit more, and driving it into the lane. If he does that, it's not farfetched to see him be the top SG off the board.
Yes, they are having to project out farther than ever. It started with the 4 team expansion and then the expansion of rosters made the dilution of talent worse. I always wondered if Stern's plan was to compete against cbb with the nbdl.
Now they are talking about 4 teams in Europe.
This post was edited on 1/24 11:00 AM by qwesley
+1
Booker has been impressive, still young. This is freshmen. Some of all time great shooters at UK people compare did not come close to shooting like Booker has.
Even if it's just one skill set, he's NBA qualified. But he's far more than that. His defense is far better than i expected, and he is more skilled than i realized.
But, Klay Thompson is a major surprise in NBA. Dude is a baller.
If you don't think the emergence of guys like Thompson and Korver on the NBA's two best teams is going to help Booker's draft stock, you're a fool. It's a drive-and-kick league. Dead-eye shooters, especially ones with well-rounded games, are at a premium. You'll be hearing "the next Klay Thompson" here soon all over the place regarding Booker.
Not even close. Baseball by miles and miles. There's a reason no one cares about the baseball draft. 80% of the first round won't make the show. It's why they have to have forty rounds in the draft. The first pick being a good starter in the majors is a rarity.
I don't think baseball scouts are the worst, it's just a sport that's really difficult to project. It's a sport where visual attributes like size, speed and athleticism don't necessarily translate.
When you look at the guys in 10-25 projections I would definitely take him over most like Harrell or Alexander. He projects very well. NBA loves guys that can shoot and not get iso'd to death on D.
The decision just comes down to financial and risk factors. I have always argued that in the long run getting drafted early to a bad team not only gives you double the money roughly on that first contract, those teams will also give you plenty of clock to develop for the huge payday.
The decision just comes down to financial and risk factors. I have always argued that in the long run getting drafted early to a bad team not only gives you double the money roughly on that first contract, those teams will also give you plenty of clock to develop for the huge payday.
Another one of your 'award-winning' ignorant posts.
Booker defends and can create his own shot. He also runs the floor as well as anybody on the team.
You clearly don't watch the games and you have a one dimensional mind. Just because he is deadly from three doesn't mean he doesn't have other skills.
I may be wrong, but I think Booker will come back so I'm not paying attention to this draft status. And Lyles as well. I like to think that maybe the Harrisons, Willie, etc started a new tradition at UK, 2AD.
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He is fairly one dimensional from an offensive skills perspective. That doesn't mean he doesn't do other things well too, or that he doesn't have other tools that make him an impressive prospect. He's got great size, decent length, decent athleticism, not a great rebounder ... I don't agree with the proposition at all that thompsons performance is going to effect bookers draft stock whatsoever but I don't completely hate a comparison between the two.
Shooting has been a premium for years, people didn't just discover this last night. If you can make a 3, you'll be in the league for a very long time. Booker's draft stock is exactly the same today as it was yesterday. Oh wow, if you shoot it from behind the line, it's worth 3 points now!?? We better draft someone that can make it!!
If Thompson goes 0-10 next game does Booker's stock go down?
I've never heard anyone say something like this before. If Tom Brady has a great Super Bowl, does Winston's draft stock go up? Oh wow, we better draft a QB!!
Just silly.
The emergence? You act like these guys just all of a sudden became great three-point shooters. They've been killers from beyond the arc their entire NBA careers.
Agree with these. They need to lose the 2nd round of draft, give every team 1pick per year. Instead of throwing crap against the wall seeing what sticks and discarding the rest.
They've emerged this year because teams finally figured how to use them. They've always been good shooters, but not as important. And as the copycat coaches in the NBA do the same, shooters like Booker become more important in the draft.