I'm sure you mean Damien and Lori. Yeah, they are still married today, not sure how thats creepy and crazy.
West Memphis 3
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I actually think Damian and Jason are fairly intelligent. Jessie is dumb as a hammer. They were all three stupid poor white guys with no ability to defend themselves.
While Damien seems like a decent guy, I typically classify chicks who are attracted to and pursue convicted murderers serving life sentences as "creepy" and "crazy".
Not so sure what attracted her to him. The fact he was getting railroaded with no true future is a bit unusual to say the least.
If they did it. Echols was innocent.
Except for the incredible proximity the Making a Murderer filmmakers got to the case, particularly to Dassey's confession, the stuff that happens in the Paradise Lost films is way more maddening. Detective Gary Gitchell makes some of those guys in MaM look like altar boys.
http://wm3truth.com/
The above site claims they're guilty. I'm not that invested either way, but it's an interesting view point.
The above site claims they're guilty. I'm not that invested either way, but it's an interesting view point.
And the four Paradise Lost docs are just as entertaining, in some ways moreso because of the incredible events that keep happening as the series goes along.
But one problem I have with them--esp. West of Memphis--is that they try and go after various suspects. I don't see how that's any better than what the government tries to do with the accused.
(Not that the movie doesn't make a good case that it's the stepfather. It does. But in an earlier film, they try and take down a different stepfather. Making a Murderer could've gone the same way but--thankfully--didn't.)
But one problem I have with them--esp. West of Memphis--is that they try and go after various suspects. I don't see how that's any better than what the government tries to do with the accused.
(Not that the movie doesn't make a good case that it's the stepfather. It does. But in an earlier film, they try and take down a different stepfather. Making a Murderer could've gone the same way but--thankfully--didn't.)
One poster in the MaM thread basically told me he still believes they are guilty. I told him not many DAs release murders without trial.
I don't know if they're guilty or not, but the court of public opinion carries ALOT of weight. Especially when it was nationwide as it was in the WM3 case.
My guess is someone high up in the state Govt. was told to make this go away. They found a way to make the most people happy. The 3 are out of jail, yet the state didn't say they were innocent.
I think their plea & release deal is the single biggest piece of evidence of their innocence as far as I'm concerned. Sure they had a lot of support and legal help, but I honestly didn't think they were ever getting out on a retrial. Maybe the death sentence gets commuted but that was about it.
I think they would've been acquitted. The prosecutor agreed:
"[Prosecutor Scott] Ellington said that although he still considered the men guilty, the three would likely be acquitted if a new trial were held because of the powerful legal counsel representing them now, the loss of evidence over time, and the change of heart among some of the witnesses."
But that would've taken years. And it still likely would've required another favorable ruling from the Arkansas Supreme Court. That's no gimme.
Worse, if they'd held out and not have been granted a new trial, Damien most likely would've been executed. Under those circumstances, I can't blame them for taking the deal.
I haven't watched the documentaries in years, but after watching them was convinced that they did it. I don't remember all of the details but there were like 10 confessions by at least 2 of the 3 that were convicted. Similar to Making a Murderer, many watched a documentary that only told one side of the story and now all of the sudden everyone thinks they're innocent. Meanwhile, every single juror and judge that was involved in the case, those that sat through the trial and saw all of the evidence, found them guilty.
I don't care to go back through all of the details of the case and argue any of this - it's just my opinion.
I don't care to go back through all of the details of the case and argue any of this - it's just my opinion.
The only confession was Jessie Misskelley's, which was almost definitely coerced.
The issue of the false confession has come up in many cases at this point and it's one that is fascinating but also terrifying.
Here's a link to a Frontline episode about a case where FOUR MEN confessed to a crime they didn't commit.
The public looks at that and shakes their head at the absurdity of it. There were those interesting soundbites from MaM where somebody said, "He confessed. He did it" of Brendan Dassey.
But I think the truth's far more complex. There are all kinds of problems with how some of these detectives get information--and most of their techniques are still legal and will hold up in court.
Here's a link to a Frontline episode about a case where FOUR MEN confessed to a crime they didn't commit.
The public looks at that and shakes their head at the absurdity of it. There were those interesting soundbites from MaM where somebody said, "He confessed. He did it" of Brendan Dassey.
But I think the truth's far more complex. There are all kinds of problems with how some of these detectives get information--and most of their techniques are still legal and will hold up in court.
What the link calls "confessions" seems to actually be witness testimony.
So is there any source - any book, any documentary - that I could look at that isn't devoted to one side or the other?
This sounds like trying to pick between Fox News and MSNBC on something Bush or Obama did........
This sounds like trying to pick between Fox News and MSNBC on something Bush or Obama did........
Byers was too dumb to pull this off. IMO it was Hobbs, he was the last to see them alive and has since fled the state.
I said it in the Making a Murderer thread, but one of Doc's posts elsewhere makes me want to emphasize it again:
This kind of ridiculousness happens everywhere, including Kentucky.
The case from Meade County I mentioned earlier in this thread has some interesting similarities to the WM3, particularly the Satanist/occult angle. After you run out of documentaries, that link is definitely worth a look.
I'm still dumbfounded by the judge and the prosecutor doing everything possible to prevent DNA testing of hairs found literally in the victim's hand when her body was discovered. Extremely troubling.
This kind of ridiculousness happens everywhere, including Kentucky.
The case from Meade County I mentioned earlier in this thread has some interesting similarities to the WM3, particularly the Satanist/occult angle. After you run out of documentaries, that link is definitely worth a look.
I'm still dumbfounded by the judge and the prosecutor doing everything possible to prevent DNA testing of hairs found literally in the victim's hand when her body was discovered. Extremely troubling.
No matter what anyone says if the government had any inclination that they were guilty there is no way they would have been freed from jail.
My posts about thank god this didn't happen in Kentucky are more along the lines of how stupid, redneck, and white trash the people come across.
I sat across from Byers at a poker table in Tunica, Ms. This was about 10yrs ago I guess, so people still thought that maybe he had something to do with it then. Think he was trying to play that up some to intimidate people at the table. Very odd guy.
Now you need to Watch 'West of Memphis' to tie everything together, including a detailed look into the REAL EVIDENCE.
Yup, that's on the agenda tonight.
Was that Reese Witherspoon movie Devil's Knot any good?
For me....after being so familiar with the case since 93, it did nothing for me. It was weird though seeing actors portray those involved.
At the end of Paradise Lost 2: Revelations when Byers is singing the song he had recorded is one of the weirdest things I have ever seen.
Yeah, I actually thought it was the best.
Unreal how the cops basically planted that crackhead to say she was in a cult with the boys, and that other inmate who made up the story about sucking the blood and balls in the mouth...Both admit to lying. Seriously hope those idiots get some jail time for perjury.
The doctor was a hack. Incredible how he just completely blew animal markings for an occult murder. Not being board certified is a big deal. Just saying.
Screw that prosecutor and the knife. That was planted.
Terry Hobbs is looking mighty guilty. Those scenes with his friend who was his alibi is very suspicious.
Mark Byers is my favorite. He's just incredible.
West of Memphis is a brilliant movie.
NOW DOCTOR BOAT....the final part of the entire doc's and West of Memphis is to head over to the http://wm3truth.com/ and read evidence from original trial that wasn't included in any of the docs of the movie.
Then form your final opinion.
NOW DOCTOR BOAT....the final part of the entire doc's and West of Memphis is to head over to the http://wm3truth.com/ and read evidence from original trial that wasn't included in any of the docs of the movie.
Then form your final opinion.