West Suburban Week 8

[Wild_Mustang]

Gut check time...

Games of the Week
Gold
Let me clarify before I pick this one, there really isn't a game of the week match up this week. The best one I would say is...
Willowbrook (4-3) vs Downers Grove South (2-5).
Willowbrook has to win out to win conference, DGS is already eliminated. I'm going with DGS in this game, they will be the underdogs but I think they play for pride and their coaches have them ready. Spread Willowbrook -7.5, O/U 65

Silver
Lyons (5-2) vs Oak Park (6-1)
This is the battle of the 2nd tier teams in the Silver, they're good but they're not on the GBW or HC level (only talking about this year, not as an overall program, don't get your panties in a bunch). I'm going with OPRF, but I wouldn't be surprised if Lyons wins. Spread OPRF -3/5, O/U 49
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Predictions (29-6, 6-1 last week)
Gold
Downers Grove South (2-5) - 35 vs Willowbrook (4-3) - 33
Addison Trail (3-4) - 35 vs Proviso East (0-7) - 0
Leyden (3-4) - 26 vs Morton (2-5) - 14

Silver
Oak Park (6-1) - 28 vs Lyons (5-2) - 20
York (3-4) - 12 vs Downers Grove North (3-4) - 7
Glenbard West (7-0) - 56 vs Proviso West (1-6) - 2

Crossover
Hinsdale Central (6-1) - 42 vs Hinsdale South - 28
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Playoff Implications
Gold
Willowbrook needs to win out, they have DGS and Leyden, two tough teams that aren't easy wins. If they lose to either of those teams they won't have enough playoff points. Still trying to figure out how they beat Hinsdale South (I'm sorry, I said I was over it but I'm not)

Hinsdale South most likely will lose to Hinsdale Central (unless you talk to HornetNation). They'll take down Morton and finish 6-3 and make the playoffs.

Silver
Glenbard West, Hinsdale Central, OPRF and Lyons are all but guarantees for the post season.

York & DGN are battling for their playoff lives. They play this weekend and whoever loses is out. York finishes with Lyons and DGN finishes with Proviso West. If DGN wins they'll 100% make the playoffs, if York wins they sill have to play a good Lyons team but they can beat them.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Excellent work yet again Wild
Gold
I think I'll take WB over DGS and WB can smell a PO spot and goes for it like they did vs HS
AT takes out their frustration from a long season on poor PE
I'll take MORTON for my sub-feeto upset pick of the week. Morton is on a roll...look out!

Silver
I have OPRF over LT as well, but I will take the UNDER. LT and OPRF runs similar offense and will know how to stop each other 21-14
York beats the spread vs DGN in a 28-7 win
West gives up a first drive TD on a triple reverse Famous Flea Flicker, then GW scores 56 unanswered 56-6

Crossover
Tough call here, but I will agree with you that HC is too much for HS. Your score looks spot on but I will take 42-21

 

[GEPreps]

Playoff Implications

You forgot Addison Trail needing to beat GW in Week 9 for their fifth win.

 

[jdhitters]

This is a good game for GW to rest some of their starters/not risk injury after getting a comfortable lead. PW can get pretty aggressive at the bottom of the pile, and we don't need any injuries at this point. I don't see this as a blowout game because of that. GW will win comfortably, but not a blow out.

 

[capnbillhitters]

This is a good game for GW to rest some of their starters/not risk injury after getting a comfortable lead. PW can get pretty aggressive at the bottom of the pile, and we don't need any injuries at this point. I don't see this as a blowout game because of that. GW will win comfortably, but not a blow out.

no no....this is going to be a tough week with lost of focus...no one is looking past anyone, right?

true that if things do get out of hand, folks will get rest, which I guess means something like 35-14 is what you are saying...not 56-6. I'll buy that

 

[chuck998]

Pretty sure GW will come out at full power. I'm also pretty sure most of starters will play until the second half, or until Hetlet is satisfied that they have accomplished the improvements he's looking for in this game. I expect PW to get chippy during the game as they did last year, when Hetlet left the starters in for a punishment TD on PW. That said, I'd expect several starters to come off the field early.

As the the rest of the silver:
OPRF by 14, York by 7, and HC by 10 (HS looks like they are back in form).

 

[Wild_Mustang]

I'm ready for the playoffs to start, not sure about you guys. Want to see how the West Suburban fares against the other teams in their classes. I think GBW & HC go far (quarterfinals at least), I think OPRF wins a playoff game but is a 2nd round loss, I think LT loses in the 1st round and I think South is a quarter final team in 6A (or further), they are one (I'm not saying the #1) of the more battle tested teams playing bigger schools all year.

All of this depends on match ups. Once the playoffs are set then I'll be able to say for sure.

 

[jdhitters]

LT came out last year on fire and should have beat Stevie. They can force an upset. do don't count them out too early. Let's see how they do against OPRF. HC should go far. They have a great running game, and even though they did not have a good passing game at Duchon, the talent is there.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Never sure about OPRF in playoffs...they always seem to eye wrestling season early, so never seem motivated to produce.

I feel like HC could be a semi team. LT will need the right draw.

I also believe HS could be a semi team. Those dudes should be ready after the gauntlet they have run. Let's just hope they don'r get Bobek'd too bad this week and can stay healthy for week 10.

Who knows what will happen to GW. It is gonna come down to Selection Day before we know whether we are 7A or 8A. If 7A, I feel like we are the best in the bunch having not yet seen the All-World QB at Liberty (but we all remember the last All-World QB in 7A). In 8A, it will be a dog fight every week after 10, but I still think our boys match up well. Anything can happen

 

[jdhitters]

Although GBW plays better on the road in playoffs, if we face HF I think I'd prefer that game at Duchon. Also Loyolla purportedly plays best at home so maybe Duchon for them also. With that said, for the boys I'd rather see a 7A win then an 8A final that we lose. Not saying GBW can't win 8A, they have a good shot, but the road in 7A is easier. So if GBW is 7A, I become a huge HC fan to go the distance. That should answer the unresolved question.

 

[Goomlah]

Willowbrook
AT
Leyden
OPRF
DGN
GW
HC

 

[Wild_Mustang]

I'm changing my prediction for the South vs Central game...

Hinsdale South - 28
Hinsdale Central - 27

I have a feeling South pulls off the upset.

 

[hornetnation7]

I'm changing my prediction for the South vs Central game...

Hinsdale South - 28
Hinsdale Central - 27

I have a feeling South pulls off the upset.

Wild,

What happened? Did you sleep on the wrong side of the bed last night?

 

[Wild_Mustang]

Lol, I just have a feeling South comes out and clicks like they did against GBW except they finish this time. Ampipe takes down Walnut Heights.

 

[Wild_Mustang]

Also, @hornetnation7 , I'm agreeing with you that this is another great measuring stick. They won't face any team in 6A close to GBW or HC.

 

[hornetnation7]

Also, @hornetnation7 , I'm agreeing with you that this is another great measuring stick. They won't face any team in 6A close to GBW or HC.

Wild,

Even if that is true, 6A south bracket looks tougher and tougher every time I look at it. Then you'll have Montini likely awaitng the survivor. But agree,win or lose, these 2 games should have South well prepped for playoffs.

 

[Dino brown]

Also, @hornetnation7 , I'm agreeing with you that this is another great measuring stick. They won't face any team in 6A close to GBW or HC.

So by your estimation HS should run away with 6a.

 

[CoachHansen05]

Also, @hornetnation7 , I'm agreeing with you that this is another great measuring stick. They won't face any team in 6A close to GBW or HC.

Montini would probably disagree with you.

 

[Dino brown]

Montini would probably disagree with you.

SHG
Lemont
LWW
Peoria
LWN
Would also disagree CMON MAN!!!!!!! Just to name a few.

 

[Wild_Mustang]

So by your estimation HS should run away with 6a.

That's not what I said AT ALL, but I appreciate you putting words in my mouth. I'm just saying they are ready for anyone that they play because in 6A. That's all I was saying.

 

[Wild_Mustang]

Montini would probably disagree with you.

Beat it

 

[Wild_Mustang]

SHG
Lemont
LWW
Peoria
LWN
Would also disagree CMON MAN!!!!!!! Just to name a few.

None of those teams are on GBW or HC's level. What I'm saying is after playing teams like GBW or HC they are capable and ready to play the teams listed above. Never said they would run away with anything or beat anyone, I just said they could and might. C'mon guys.

 

[Dino brown]

That's not what I said AT ALL, but I appreciate you putting words in my mouth. I'm just saying they are ready for anyone that they play because in 6A. That's all I was saying.

Oh!ok I misunderstood what you were saying I was under the impression that once they finish this schedule nobody should be able to play with them becuase of who they have faced.my fault!!!!!

 

[Wild_Mustang]

Oh!ok I misunderstood what you were saying I was under the impression that once they finish this schedule nobody should be able to play with them becuase of who they have faced.my fault!!!!!

Lol, it's ok. We all make mistakes. It's how we learn from them is what matters.

 

[Dino brown]

Lol, it's ok. We all make mistakes. It's how we learn from them is what matters.

By the way I'll give you GBW is a good team but HC will get smacked by half those teams.

 

[Wild_Mustang]

By the way I'll give you GBW is a good team but HC will get smacked by half those teams.

That's fair...I'll let you know tonight after I see them. Sound good Downtown Dino Brown?

 

[capnbillhitters]

By the way I'll give you GBW is a good team but HC will get smacked by half those teams.

Glad to see you guys hugging it out, but not sure which of these teams would "smack" HC. Have these guys played an O-line that averages 245 lbs per man and a RB that is built like a tank? We will never know what would happen if HC played any of the below teams you list Dino, but I would give 10 points to everyone but SHG and Montini and I would still take HC against those two all day long.

Be sure to watch HC play from field level so you hear and feel the punishment that o-line dishes out and hear the sound that a collision with Bobek makes. Devastating is not an understatement I am sure SHG could put 30+points on HC, but I know HC could put 40 on SHG.

SHG -
Lemont -
LWW
Peoria
LWN
Montini

 

[Wild_Mustang]

Glad to see you guys hugging it out

I tried but he pushed me away

 

[GEPreps]

Capn,

HC #5 is Bobak.

Which begs they question asking if this kid is heir to the Bobak Sausage empire?

 

[JFelice]

Lots of overestimating HS and HC in this thread IMO. HC is a very good team but not great and HS is a good team but not very good.

These are obviously my opinion but it don't see either making a run to a state championship.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Capn,

HC #5 is Bobak.

Nerts...I will eventually get the spelling right. Thanks

Which begs they question asking if this kid is heir to the Bobak Sausage empire?

Word is that this Bobak is part of the blacksheep "Brother John" branch that pulled off the infamous imitation Bobak encased meat scam of 2007

 

[hornetnation7]

Lots of overestimating HS and HC in this thread IMO. HC is a very good team but not great and HS is a good team but not very good.

These are obviously my opinion but it don't see either making a run to a state championship.

TP,

I am struggling a bit with your comment. I am wondering if you have ever seen either of these teams play? It sounds like you don't think either can make a deep play-off run. Let's put HS aside for now and look at HC.

HC gave GBW all it could handle but came up short for their only loss. How can you say HC is not very good, and consider GBW to be very good (I assume you consider GBW to be very good). I view both team as very good, with GBW having the edge.

HC has a monster O-line, anchored by at least 2 D-I level players, a D-I level RB, and probably a another D-I kid hiding somewhere. I don't know much about their defense, except they have been playing good enough to win.

Please explain.your perspective, What aspect of their game is not very good/great?

Also, what is your definition of great? A lock to win State? That term should only be reserved for a very few and select teams. I don't think anyone has suggested either of these teams to be great in this thread.

 

[Flossisland20]

Montini would probably disagree with you.

Montini would know! They poached Hinsdale South's best running back (last name Prince, I think?). Not 100% sure its that kid, but I heard that one of Montini's best running backs lives in the Hinsdale South district.

 

[capnbillhitters]

I said the o-line backed by Bobak was devastating. Devasting could be read as "great" depending on your angle. I have said I would take HC vs Montini and SHG and believe they would beat Lemont, LWW, Peoria, LWN by more than a TD. My guess is TP thinks I am giving too much credit to HC. Cool. I have seen them from ground level. I have seen them from up high. I stand by my assertion.

 

[Wild_Mustang]

Man, some of you guys read into stuff to much. All I said was HS will be battle tested come playoff time. That's it. No mention of beating Montini or the Seattle Seahawks. Just a simple comment that downtown Dino Brown turned into me saying they were gonna win state. Never once said that or even hinted at that.

 

[JFelice]

Montini would know! They poached Hinsdale South's best running back (last name Prince, I think?). Not 100% sure its that kid, but I heard that one of Montini's best running backs lives in the Hinsdale South district.

No, Will Smith is that player.

 

[JFelice]

TP,

I am struggling a bit with your comment. I am wondering if you have ever seen either of these teams play? It sounds like you don't think either can make a deep play-off run. Let's put HS aside for now and look at HC.

HC gave GBW all it could handle but came up short for their only loss. How can you say HC is not very good, and consider GBW to be very good (I assume you consider GBW to be very good). I view both team as very good, with GBW having the edge.

HC has a monster O-line, anchored by at least 2 D-I level players, a D-I level RB, and probably a another D-I kid hiding somewhere. I don't know much about their defense, except they have been playing good enough to win.

Please explain.your perspective, What aspect of their game is not very good/great?

Also, what is your definition of great? A lock to win State? That term should only be reserved for a very few and select teams. I don't think anyone has suggested either of these teams to be great in this thread.

You can struggle with it, that's fine, that's just my opinion. I've seen both teams. HC is very good, I said as much, I don't see a great team. Bobak is a very good runner and I'm super impressed with him but I was last year too when he was under utilized. I hope like hell he gets a D1 offer but he's not a D1 RB. That OL is pretty good, maybe even proves to be great, playoffs will tell but they might be the best in state. With that said I don't see it. I'm driving so right now I won't get into specific detail but I don't see them being able to beat top team after top team in 8a. Just because they played great against GBW doesn't make them great. They certainly may prove me wrong and like I said they are very good but I just don't see it.

HS is good but to be a state champ you have to be great. They may even be very good and win a couple games in 6a, especially in that north bracket but I don't see them really standing up to a team like Montini for 48 minutes, as well as a few 6aS teams.

Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong but I don't have the same biases as people in this thread do. Just my opinions.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong but I don't have the same biases as people in this thread do. Just my opinions.

We are here because we have interest in WSC teams, so guilty as charged. My knowledge as a GW fan is having played both.

If my adapted Soucie Brackets happen as described in another thread, HC would face in order, Glenbard East, Barrington then Loyola in the quarters. If that scenario held, I suggest HC would give Loyola a helluva ball game and cover the spread. So would you define that as a very good team because they can't beat one of the 3 best teams in the state? If that is the definition, I would agree and say they are very good, bordering on great if they can pull off the Loyola upset.

HS is more of a wild card. I saw them on a very muddy track so getting the perfect read is tough. I do think they have impressive strength up front and a workhorse running back, but not sure they have the depth to have their guys playing both ways like they need to do. I like them in a dog fight but having not seen Peoria ND or SHG, I can't say whether they can play with them on carpet. I do look forward to seeing them try though because they do have a ton of heart.

 

[hornetnation7]

You can struggle with it, that's fine, that's just my opinion. I've seen both teams. HC is very good, I said as much, I don't see a great team. Bobak is a very good runner and I'm super impressed with him but I was last year too when he was under utilized. I hope like hell he gets a D1 offer but he's not a D1 RB. That OL is pretty good, maybe even proves to be great, playoffs will tell but they might be the best in state. With that said I don't see it. I'm driving so right now I won't get into specific detail but I don't see them being able to beat top team after top team in 8a. Just because they played great against GBW doesn't make them great. They certainly may prove me wrong and like I said they are very good but I just don't see it.

HS is good but to be a state champ you have to be great. They may even be very good and win a couple games in 6a, especially in that north bracket but I don't see them really standing up to a team like Montini for 48 minutes, as well as a few 6aS teams.

Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong but I don't have the same biases as people in this thread do. Just my opinions.

TP,
Thanks for clarification on ur definition of great and very good. I don't think I can disagree based on this def.

Clearly, I am biased. But do think South can play with any team in 6A. Favorite, no. But likely to be a tough out. I'd have to say Montini is the favorite.

 

[jdhitters]

GBW still had a lot of issues when they played HS, less so when they played HC, and even less when they played OPRF. If GBW and HS played now, I am not sure it would be as close. If HC and GBW played now, I am pretty sure it would be fairly close. IMO HS and HC will be close 1st half, but HC will outlast HS, much in the same fashion GBW wins some of its games. HS just does not have the depth. HC fought GBW to the end full strength, HS ran out of gas.