GAME THREAD West Virginia basketball at Baylor
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I wouldn't be surprised if we pulled off the upset; I also would be surprised if we lost by 30. The line right now makes Baylor -5.5.
Rough start for Culver. 2 TO's early on, one foul, and one miss. Then a 3rd TO by McBride leads to an easy basket after giving up a basket on the previous play. Hopefully they don't let it snowball in a hostile crowd.
I'm always stupidly optimistic prior to tip-off and clearly and understandably entirely pessimistic at halftime if WVU isn't up double-digits, but I have a bad feeling that this game will only get worse and will create a downward spiral for the rest of the season.
In 12.5 minutes WVU has 11 TO's, 31% FG percentage, and is giving up 59% FG percentage. That's an ugly start.
Every team shoots like a fire is on the basketball like video games lmao. I did like the 5 we had with the two O’s Haley at the point McNeil at the sg and Matthews at sf.
WVU is a textbook in what NOT to do in the 1st half.
Miserably shooting, field goals and free throws and short shorts. Oscar threw up his hands in wonder after missing one of the gimme close-in shots. Can't stop 3's or straight-lines drives, out-rebounded, out-smarted, out-played.
Let's hope for a miracle comeback in the 2nd half! 1st half miracle is that we are down by only 11.
Miserably shooting, field goals and free throws and short shorts. Oscar threw up his hands in wonder after missing one of the gimme close-in shots. Can't stop 3's or straight-lines drives, out-rebounded, out-smarted, out-played.
Let's hope for a miracle comeback in the 2nd half! 1st half miracle is that we are down by only 11.
I'd like for our HOF coach to go to any 4* or 5* in the country and tell him that he wants HIS talent on the team. Not disregard or demand a budding Steph Curry to mold to his "system" of run through the wall, eat and serve up elbows, Pete Rose dive for loose balls and hope to keep opponents under 60 to win.
Every National Championship coach looks at upcoming high schoolers and adapts to the skill set of the current generation of talent. You think Coach K keeps an old, worn-out gameplan and forces recruits to play like it's 1990? Hell no. He changes his style to meet the style of current trends. What's more, he actually shows humility in that he's flattered and honored that top high schoolers want to play for him. And he even talks to them after he subs them out. Huggins sits on his f*cking stool, staring past the player like he's too good to acknowledge the player's presence.
Every National Championship coach looks at upcoming high schoolers and adapts to the skill set of the current generation of talent. You think Coach K keeps an old, worn-out gameplan and forces recruits to play like it's 1990? Hell no. He changes his style to meet the style of current trends. What's more, he actually shows humility in that he's flattered and honored that top high schoolers want to play for him. And he even talks to them after he subs them out. Huggins sits on his f*cking stool, staring past the player like he's too good to acknowledge the player's presence.
The point? I'd think the players and coaches would like to at least put up a fight against such a team. Not roll over and expose their throat like a mewling kitten within the first quarter of the game. I can understand losing to Baylor in their arena. I can understand doing so handily, but this far below what this team is capable of.
I can handle losing on the road but we have to beat teams like Kansas and Baylor at home though. Ball is flowing better with shooter shooting
Did you absolve Holgerson of any responsibility for poor performances and blame it all on the players?
Said it before and I'll say it again, this is the most over-rated team in the country.
And the worst Saturday afternoon team in the country.
At one point in this fiasco, we had 20 turnovers and three assists. That's fact.
Perhaps we should rename the Coliseum to Huggins' Bakery. Our specialty is turnovers. We used to force them a few years ago, now we make them. We even deliver them to the opponent's building.
And the worst Saturday afternoon team in the country.
At one point in this fiasco, we had 20 turnovers and three assists. That's fact.
Perhaps we should rename the Coliseum to Huggins' Bakery. Our specialty is turnovers. We used to force them a few years ago, now we make them. We even deliver them to the opponent's building.
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I can't wait to hear Huggins' post-game after this abortion.
I wonder if Taz will finally get more minutes next game? Or maybe Huggy Bear is too afraid that he'll average 13 or more and people will start asking why he only kept in for 2 minute stints and yanked him after a missed shot?
I wonder if Taz will finally get more minutes next game? Or maybe Huggy Bear is too afraid that he'll average 13 or more and people will start asking why he only kept in for 2 minute stints and yanked him after a missed shot?
Is this how you view everything? When you decide to go to watch a show, watch a movie, play golf, or do anything recreationally where you find something that needs improvement do you wish everyone to be fired? If you are doing so socially and friends point out what could have been done better do you tell them to "just leave" or "you must want them to fire everyone?"
Some garbage points but also some players with offensive ability. I wonder if they will get more minutes next game or ride the bench because they didn't dive face-first into the stands to get a loose ball that had no chance of being saved or changing the outcome of the game.
I'll admit I cannot be intellectually honest and not criticize Huggins. Huggins has at least had success at HC and Holgorsen had not. Huggins at least coaches the players into being good defenders and rebounders whereas Holgorsen's staff didn't develop half the team in anyway. However, I trashed Holgorsen for not being able to bring in a QB that he could coach into running the offense and lived off of JUCO transfers or hoping to find a self starter. Huggins seems to be the same way on offense. He needs natural shooters who can also create their own shots like Butler and doesn't routinely coach players into great offensive guys. Now the difference is that what Huggins has a hard time putting into his team is an improvement and not the center of his whole game plan whereas Holgorsen couldn't recruit or develop players to fill the central role of his entire team strategy.
I remember liking Beilein(sp?) when he was at WVU. His offenses looked good, but were very much finesse and dependent on shots falling as a single bad night for even one shooter would result in a bad night. It was frustrating to watch teams like Louisville which played fast and athletic just annihilate a big deficit against JB. I was frustrated that he didn't value strength training at all while seeming to downplay defense and rebounding. It seemed to me that just SOME improvement in that area would have made those teams much better and created an avenue to get another win or 2. I don't think the 2 things are mutually exclusive. Huggins is the pendulum swinging to the other side where the offense seems to be excluded in favor of defense and rebounding. Now, I do think Huggins style is more likely to result in success for a less talented team than JB's style which is why I favor it at WVU. It just seems the best team Huggins has had with WVU had Butler and, during the tournament run, Mazulla to run the offense through after being with JB. Then Huggins defense and rebounding style along with Jones and Ebanks to compliment. Hence, WVU seems to be stuck at this Sweet 16 ceiling for a decade and just waiting on a star player who can create their own offense isn't the ONLY path forward. And saying so it not advocating for an overhaul of the entire system.
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Baylor can win games on cruise control.
They are legit. Any person who watches college basketball will say that.
An unusual second half collapse in Alaska is the only reason they aren't undefeated.
They are legit. Any person who watches college basketball will say that.
An unusual second half collapse in Alaska is the only reason they aren't undefeated.
Where do you get this crap? I was defending Huggins against those calling for his termination after every loss. I have not even entertained the possibility of replacing Huggins since his back to back garbage years in 2012-2014. I didn't really bring up criticism of Huggins until the Oklahoma game. Before that I was disappointed in not picking up a win against either KSU or TTU on the road, but I was not dogging Huggins. Then I dare to say that Huggins seems to have a consistent flaw with his teams that keep them from being a true threat to make a tournament run and suddenly I've been an anti Huggins troll for my entire existence. You just say this crap without any evidence. You conflate your feelings with the truth because posts like this have nothing but evidence to the contrary and none to support it. Find a single post where I have suggested that Huggins be replaced. You can't. But you can find plenty of posts where I engaged Bodhi defending Huggins. However, he is coming off as far more reasonable than you in these recent exchanges and that is not to say Bodhi is excessively reasonable, but rather that you are coming off as a smug, petulant child just beating the same dead horse like Buckaineer and Muraca.
My criticism all along has been Huggins's refusal to change. I've never called for him to be fired but I've also been steadfast in believing that WVU basketball is more than him or any individual. There is something very off-putting in the impression I get from some posters, and even Huggins to an extent, that we, as a fanbase, should be in a constant state of astonishment that he would grace us with the privilege of having him as our coach. The privilege should be mutual. After all, WVU was something before Huggins got here and will continue to be after he's done.
Do I think he is a great basketball mind? Yes. Do I believe he will flip the philosophy that gave him success at Cinci to suit the players of today? Not really. I'm not confident that his ego would allow it and that's why I'm so frustrated with him.
One, I definitely think that if he were to swallow his pride or reassess his approach or whatever you want to call it, that he would be very successful in run-and-gun, get up the floor, fire up 3s, average 85 and give 78 per game. And two, much more attributed to his sychophants, that you can't question anything about him without having your fanhood called into question.
Do I think he is a great basketball mind? Yes. Do I believe he will flip the philosophy that gave him success at Cinci to suit the players of today? Not really. I'm not confident that his ego would allow it and that's why I'm so frustrated with him.
One, I definitely think that if he were to swallow his pride or reassess his approach or whatever you want to call it, that he would be very successful in run-and-gun, get up the floor, fire up 3s, average 85 and give 78 per game. And two, much more attributed to his sychophants, that you can't question anything about him without having your fanhood called into question.