GAME THREAD West Virginia basketball at Baylor
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You honestly have no idea about basketball or life
Prediction. WVU wins next game and you will not make an appearance. Oh wait that's a fact you won't show.
Huggs needs to be criticized. Another fading team. Reminds me of how the red ******** DH was in football.
Anybody who doesn't see a trend backwards is an idiot. Like his Mountaineer fervor but the Thugs ball doesn't cut it anymore. Tired of promises to get it fixed. How about running an offense instead of a MMA competition.
Anybody who doesn't see a trend backwards is an idiot. Like his Mountaineer fervor but the Thugs ball doesn't cut it anymore. Tired of promises to get it fixed. How about running an offense instead of a MMA competition.
And there it is. You accuse me of something and when I explain why what you have said is completely untrue, you have no argument. You lump anyone who dares to criticize Huggins as all the same. And then you smugly say something that makes no sense because you have no rational rebuttal. You were caught making something up and you just dismiss it. This is why you are like Buckaineer and Muraca. You just state things and when there is any reasonable rebuttal, you either call names, dismiss it, or just reassert your preconceived notion. While your assertions are not as obnoxious or over the top as theirs, your method of dealing with a disagreement is exactly the same. Roles reverse, lets say I claim you used a series of racial slurs. Then when you deny it and ask for proof of such accusations, I dismiss you as "losing it." But the truth is, I have won. This is just one in a number of posts I have responded to where you throw a backhanded barb at me and you have no rational response to back-up your asserted perception of what I've said because what I've actually said can't even be closely construed as what you want to portray.
Who cares Allen...Huggs has once again nitpucked a team into mediocrity. BFD on making it to the tournament...filler team.
Let's see 2018-19 (15-21)
2019-20 (18-7)
You don't like Huggins as HC nor the players he has chosen. Fine with that. Just stop the bitching, moaning and blame.
God Bless you. Carry on. Thanks for the diagnosis of the team and myself. I mean really what would we all do without you.
You love Huggs style of offense and the way he substitutes players minute by minute. Fine with that. Just stop hiding your head in gold and blue spray painted sand wishing for a different outcome.
Pretending like WVU was suppose to win it all this year because they got a good start to season. This is what happens to impatient fans. The first sign of success they put expectations higher and higher until suddenly all hell breaks loose and their expectations explode in their face.
Let me explain this again. I agree with Huggs who talks about the deteriorating play of the team...shooting...passing...turnovers. good teams get better as a season rolls along. Poorly coached and motivated teams collapse...which the Mountaineers are in danger of doing. It is Huggs job to "fix it."
I played football, basketball, baseball. Wasn't good enough to get a scholarship but I know what I'm talking about.
It's not all coaching. The players need to execute.
Head coaches are like a CEO. Big salaries, but big responsibilities. Staff or players not listening/executing causing damage to the company or team is the responsibility of the person in charge. If it is underlings, then the top of management must correct them or bring in those that will listen. This includes middle management or assistants. How long can a problem exist before at least some of the responsibility falls on the top dog? If the CEO or head coach keeps bringing in folks that "don't listen", do they not bear some responsibility for that at least?
I say fire them all and start from scratch. We got nothing to lose. We will finish with a winning record. After all these 3 game losing streaks are unacceptable. Get rid of the entire staff top to bottom and boot all 14 players on the team. Clean slate. Hire an offensive minded coach and let's get at it.
But it is a majority coaching. Across all of sports you can see plenty more examples teams' with highly capable athletes underperforming because of bad coaching or a bad system. On the other hand there are plenty of examples of teams lacking the same quality of athletes as the other team coming out ahead because of coaching and a well implemented system. Sure there can be one off cases such as individual games, but for the most part wins and losses are shared by both coaches and players. Responsibility for successes and failures fall on BOTH sides and the only logical argument is to what degree. It is illogical to say the responsibility for failures are all one side and all successes are on the other.
Car customer: I love this company's car, but the transmission just seems to fail more often than competitors.
WVUAllen: It's the factory workers not listening.
Car customer: Well it's on more than one model, don't you think management should do something.
WVUAllen: You must want them to scrap the entire design, fire everyone, create a whole new line from the ground up. Why don't you just dismantle the idea of cars altogether? Burn down the factory, kill the workers and their families while you're at it!
Car customer: I just think there is room for improvement in this one area and management has the ability to address it.
WVUAllen: You ignorant troll! Just don't use cars anymore!
WVUAllen: It's the factory workers not listening.
Car customer: Well it's on more than one model, don't you think management should do something.
WVUAllen: You must want them to scrap the entire design, fire everyone, create a whole new line from the ground up. Why don't you just dismantle the idea of cars altogether? Burn down the factory, kill the workers and their families while you're at it!
Car customer: I just think there is room for improvement in this one area and management has the ability to address it.
WVUAllen: You ignorant troll! Just don't use cars anymore!
All this crap about the players not listening and that if they do, we'd be undefeated. How are you so certain that what they're being told is the right thing? We have no idea what is being said behind closed doors but the proof of its efficacy is apparent on the court. Maybe what's being told isn't the "fix" the Huggins and Brad and Tony and allen think it is.
The Bell Tolls For Thee: I get angry because people do not agree with me.
Board member::joy:
The Bell Tolls For Thee: You're an angry individual that doesn't allow peoples opinions. Your not allowed one only me.
Hmm pretty easy to put words in one's fingertips. Next time you want to assume what I will reply then let me know I'll save you the trouble. Oh what you'll probably get angry because somebody disagreed with you.
You don't like what I reply you know where the ignore feature is. I suggest you use it.
Maybe you should choose 1 profile and stick with it.
How are you so certain that what they're being told isn't the right thing?
Will you be here when WVU finishes regular season 4-2. I doubt you will be.
I never said you are not allowed to have an opinion other than mine. I'm pointing out that you strawman anyone you disagree with. I've even supported you against some other arguments, but the moment I wasn't in lockstep you castigated me as being the same as those I was opposing with you. It is irrefutable that over the last few games anytime a poster dares suggest that Huggins could improve even the tiniest aspect of the team, you paint them as hating Huggins or calling for his resignation. I know there are plenty of trolls that truly are only around to rag on Huggins and call for his replacement. But you saw that in everyone. It's either the WVU program hasn't won a Big 12 championship because of the players and only the players or you are a troll that only wants Huggins replaced because you are too stupid to know that he is a good coach. No grey area. You are splitting in that you can only be one of 2 things on this issue. And then you project, because you accuse me of not allowing other opinions while any opinion I have that is not yours, you try to frame as something different that you've completely made up. I know its difficult, but 2 things can be true at once. A WVU fan can like and support Huggins as head coach AND think he could maybe try something different to improve the team.
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Lot of assuming going on here. Problem with these forums is they have no face so assuming things is near impossible.
Look in a mirror with your accusations you're doing the same. Like I stated you don't want to hear it then you know where the ignore is.
"A WVU fan can like and support Huggins as head coach AND think he could maybe try something different to improve the team."
No ****, really.
You thinking and wanting Huggins to try something different goes as far as being read on this board.
People are making to big a deal out of all of this. Especially considering nothing we say or do will change the facts.
Read this or don't, but it'll be the last I post on this issue. First, of course no one thinks just talking on a message board is going to actually affect anything just like shooting the **** with some fans at a sports bar isn't either. Doesn't mean it's not something to pass the time. But onto the meat of this exchange.
We agree that Huggins is a great coach. We agree that Huggins has presided over the most consistently good WVU basketball teams since West left. We agree that WVU is far more likely to get a worse coach than better when Huggins time is up. Thus shitcanning him is rather ludicrous and nigh indefensible. We agree that even if we do not get a worse product, its likely that coach will move onto greener pastures if the opportunity presents itself.
We disagree, but not unreasonably so in my opinion, on the following. Just about all of WVU's problems on offense over the last several seasons is the player's not executing. I'd argue that Huggins bears at least some responsibility in one or both of the following: selecting recruits that are not coachable or obstinately trying to force square pegs into round holes. I mean if the football team went through multiple years where WR's consistently dropped easily catchable balls or the QB missed what should be near automatic throws, you'd think the head coach would at least look to changing recruiting or assistant coaches at those positions.
Where we vehemently disagree is how we discuss these disagreements. I know there are posters on here who think Huggins is a dinosaur and easily replaced. As I said it is ludicrous to the point of being outside the realm of even entertaining. Like intellectually engaging someone in debate about whether or not the earth is flat. However, whether you realize it or not, any post that disagrees with your stance you try to frame as this ludicrous "fire them all" scenario. It's a common tactic used in politics and "debate" shows all the time. It's easier to try to morph the other person's point into an insane stance so as to dismiss it as outside the realm of intelligent discourse than to actually come up with a counterpoint. More than once you responded directly to me accusing me of holding the "fire Huggins now" position when I have never once posted any such comment. Now maybe you don't realize it because it is such a ubiquitous tactic. Maybe you do realize it and like it for it's way to simply score a "win." Or maybe, like politicians, you don't want to agree even in the slightest with the opposition because if you do on one point they may try to use that as ammo to back up a totally separate, and unreasonable point. This being another common debate tactic. Example, let's say I agree with Muraca that McBride is not a great passer. Muraca then uses that as "see, even you can see how much McBride sucks" or other posters use that as "you must agree with Muraca that McBride is the worse guard to ever wear the uniform and want him off the team." It is a sad state of things, but playing that game only makes it worse. I try to be objective. Everyone has biases that will affect their view, but I try to check those biases. I've been wrong before and will be again, that's for damn sure. However, I don't appreciate being told I'm saying something I'm not. More than once you've responded with "fire them all" when I've suggested that maybe Huggins be a bit more pragmatic since there have been some consistent deficiencies over the years. Disagree with me all you want, just don't falsely portray what I post into that of a blithering idiot as to avoid making a reasoned response to either back up your position or counter my position.
Lol...check the front of your train. Appears to be off the track. Btw: get emotional often? You're funny.
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So winning at a mediocre percentage is your definition of excellence? Bet you downed a brew everytime you got a 67 on a test lol.
Yet wrong again. I don't drink. You can't keep making **** up. You'll soon be the cespool instead of in it.
Yet again you're deflecting.
Are you just seeking attention? Are you misinformed? What value comes from these engaging attacks?
I am giving you the fuel to flame and eventually you'll burn out or post something derogatory that results in punishment.
Everyone is replaceable. Even Huggins. The big mystery is can that replacement be successful or do we end up chasing our tails looking to get back to the top like Texas has been doing the past several years with their failed hires.
Posting fire them all is a sarcastic response to those that actually think firing Huggins means instant offense and conference championships.
Great response by you, points well taken.
Until the end of it when you decide that there needs to be some personal attacks towards me. Just as those posting falsely about the points I am or am not making.
I don't need to back up anything. The victories and current record is the only basis I need. Teams go into slumps all the time. If there had not been 3 consecutive losses none of this would be a concern or topic for anyone. Fans would have been seeing sugar plums and candy canes until a loss in a tournament game.
Thank you for your candor. I apologize for anything that came off as personally attacking as that was not my intent even though the posts leave little room to say otherwise.
I also apologize for the smart *** remarks I've been making. It's my coping mechanism, that and I like to stir the proverbial pot.