What’s an expectation for Greer?

[NUCat320]

Greer’s situation was, well, unique. And, frankly, I think he would have been better-served getting better and bigger at prep school for a year rather than burning his shirt last season. (I also think NU would be better off - but desperate times...)

I get the sense that he was recruited to back up Lathon. It appears as if his offers were DePaul, Bucknell, and some Ivies in addition to NU at the time of his commitment.

As a freshman he was, well, fine. I don’t think we project a star here. More importantly, though, is he a B1G rotation player?

It’s easy to look at the 2,3,4 positions and envision pretty decent players even in 2019-20, whether based on press clippings (Beran) or projections (Nance, maybe, and Kopp) or what we’ve seen (Turner, Gaines). Envisioning success at the 1 and 5 demands, well, faith.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/spor...all-ryan-greer-reclassify-20180703-story.html

 

[hdhntr1]

Greer’s situation was, well, unique. And, frankly, I think he would have been better-served getting better and bigger at prep school for a year rather than burning his shirt last season. (I also think NU would be better off - but desperate times...)

I get the sense that he was recruited to back up Lathon. It appears as if his offers were DePaul, Bucknell, and some Ivies in addition to NU at the time of his commitment.

As a freshman he was, well, fine. I don’t think we project a star here. More importantly, though, is he a B1G rotation player?

It’s easy to look at the 2,3,4 positions and envision pretty decent players even in 2019-20, whether based on press clippings (Berman) or projections (Nance, maybe, and Kopp) or what we’ve seen (Turner, Gaines). Envisioning success at the 1 and 5 demands, well, faith.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/spor...all-ryan-greer-reclassify-20180703-story.html

Expectations are for him to be stronger and more ready to play at this level than he was this year.

 

[NJCat]

I get the sense that he was recruited to back up Lathon. It appears as if his offers were DePaul, Bucknell, and some Ivies in addition to NU at the time of his commitment.

No. He was never thought of as a Lathon back-up. The class of 2018 was complete when Lathon signed his LOI. He was a desperation replacement when Lathon had his admission revoked.

 

[TheC]

Greer’s situation was, well, unique. And, frankly, I think he would have been better-served getting better and bigger at prep school for a year rather than burning his shirt last season. (I also think NU would be better off - but desperate times...)

I get the sense that he was recruited to back up Lathon. It appears as if his offers were DePaul, Bucknell, and some Ivies in addition to NU at the time of his commitment.

As a freshman he was, well, fine. I don’t think we project a star here. More importantly, though, is he a B1G rotation player?

It’s easy to look at the 2,3,4 positions and envision pretty decent players even in 2019-20, whether based on press clippings (Berman) or projections (Nance, maybe, and Kopp) or what we’ve seen (Turner, Gaines). Envisioning success at the 1 and 5 demands, well, faith.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/spor...all-ryan-greer-reclassify-20180703-story.html

My expectations are fairly low. He doesn't have size or quickness which puts him at a huge disadvantage in the BIG. He also seemed to lack that fearlessness that BMac displayed as a frosh. He also wasn't a terribly impressive shooter from 3 or from 2. Of course, I hope he proves me wrong, but I expect his minutes will go down as the season increases.

 

[NUCat320]

No. He was never thought of as a Lathon back-up. The class of 2018 was complete when Lathon signed his LOI. He was a desperation replacement when Lathon had his admission revoked.

To clarify:
I meant “Lathon’s backup” for Lathon’s Soph-Sr seasons. Per the linked article, Greer held the class of 2019 offer for ~1 month before reclassifying.

 

[Titanium999]

Greer’s situation was, well, unique. And, frankly, I think he would have been better-served getting better and bigger at prep school for a year rather than burning his shirt last season. (I also think NU would be better off - but desperate times...)

I get the sense that he was recruited to back up Lathon. It appears as if his offers were DePaul, Bucknell, and some Ivies in addition to NU at the time of his commitment.

As a freshman he was, well, fine. I don’t think we project a star here. More importantly, though, is he a B1G rotation player?

It’s easy to look at the 2,3,4 positions and envision pretty decent players even in 2019-20, whether based on press clippings (Beran) or projections (Nance, maybe, and Kopp) or what we’ve seen (Turner, Gaines). Envisioning success at the 1 and 5 demands, well, faith.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/spor...all-ryan-greer-reclassify-20180703-story.html

I liked Greer! I like the small guys,cuz I'm small myself. I think he will be solid this year. I'm hoping we get the William and Mary guard to be allowed to play this year. If so,we are dancing for sure.

 

[julescat]

Just a guy. A career backup but part of what will return to being a decent program in a couple of seasons.

 

[Sec_112]

I think "solid" is a good description. Maybe more specifically, a solid bench guy.

Greer improved last year, so that was a good sign. He's fine on offense. I thought he was a good decision-maker. I'm not sure I would want to depend on his ball handling against a tough defense.

I thought his defense was the weakest part of his game. I'm not sure he has the quickness needed for a 25 mins/game guy.

I hope he can improve. I could see him becoming a guard version of Davor Duvancic.

 

[Medill90]

Greer played nine minutes a game, shot 30% from the field and 23% from three, and had two more turnovers than assists.

I'd like to see his overall shooting above 40%, ideally above 45%, and would like to see his three's above 33%. I'd like to see his assist to TO ratio at 2:1.

My guess is that he'd like to be right there as well, and it's doable.

If he's at that level he ups his minutes to mid-to-high teens.

It's possible for Greer to pop out on his three point shooting. By that I mean he may make a statistical leap. Not saying it's going to happen, but the experience of the first year, further conditioning, higher confidence level....and his efficient, compact release could just automatically find the bottom of the basket.

 

[DaCat]

Greer showed some flashes last year that hint at some upside. I think confidence will be a big factor for him to get to another level, as I don't think he's as physically limited as some may think.

 

[hdhntr1]

Greer played nine minutes a game, shot 30% from the field and 23% from three, and had two more turnovers than assists.

I'd like to see his overall shooting above 40%, ideally above 45%, and would like to see his three's above 33%. I'd like to see his assist to TO ratio at 2:1.

My guess is that he'd like to be right there as well, and it's doable.

If he's at that level he ups his minutes to mid-to-high teens.

It's possible for Greer to pop out on his three point shooting. By that I mean he may make a statistical leap. Not saying it's going to happen, but the experience of the first year, further conditioning, higher confidence level....and his efficient, compact release could just automatically find the bottom of the basket.

Seems doable as in HS his 3 pt shooting was in the 40s He hopefully will be stronger and able to handle the D as well. This seems to go along with how CCC sees players. If they can't play D they have a much harder time of seeing the floor.

 

[Medill90]

Greer showed some flashes last year that hint at some upside. I think confidence will be a big factor for him to get to another level, as I don't think he's as physically limited as some may think.

I agree with this take.

The positive surprise was that he was able to find his way to the rim with pretty decent looks. Conversion (hesitancy/confidence) was the issue.

 

[freewillie07]

Collins aimed high in 2020 in what seemed to be an attempt to recruit over Greer and Buie. I’m not sure he sees either one as a BMac-type who can lead the offense for four years. Unfortunately, that approach doesn’t seem to be panning out.

I see Greer as ideally a 10-15 minute per game guy off the bench who can run the offense, hustle on defense and occasionally build up some confidence and stay out there longer.

It will be very much an open competition for the starting lead guard spot. I think Collins realizes that having no true guard out there is no longer an option. I don’t expect a lineup of Turner-Gaines-Kopp-Nance-Jones, for instance.

 

[JournCat]

Greer showed some flashes last year that hint at some upside. I think confidence will be a big factor for him to get to another level, as I don't think he's as physically limited as some may think.

In retrospect, I wish he had stayed in HS another year. He’ll never be Russell Westbrook but he’s been tagged a bit unfairly as small and slow when he missed a big year of development. I don’t know if he’ll be a starter, but it could definitely happen if he as he gains strength and game experience.

 

[torque-cat]

In retrospect, I wish he had stayed in HS another year. He’ll never be Russell Westbrook but he’s been tagged a bit unfairly as small and slow when he missed a big year of development. I don’t know if he’ll be a starter, but it could definitely happen if he as he gains strength and game experience.

He is not nearly as slow or bad on defense as people like to stereotype. He moves his feet very well and stays in front of guys as well as anyone besides Gaines.

 

[JournCat]

He is not nearly as slow or bad on defense as people like to stereotype. He moves his feet very well and stays in front of guys as well as anyone besides Gaines.

Emphasis on “stereotype” ...

 

[NJCat]

Emphasis on “stereotype” ...

"....can't jump"

 

[torque-cat]

Emphasis on “stereotype” ...

Exactly. Watch how he moves his feet in defense in some tape from last year. Quick.

 

[Sec_112]

As one of the people who said Greer was bad on defense, you want to characterize me as someone with racist tendencies? Fine. Whatever floats your boat.

But in this climate, I sure hope you're as quick to take action and speak up for the many inequalities that are more important than the cheap evaluation of a basketball player.

 

[hdhntr1]

Collins aimed high in 2020 in what seemed to be an attempt to recruit over Greer and Buie. I’m not sure he sees either one as a BMac-type who can lead the offense for four years. Unfortunately, that approach doesn’t seem to be panning out.

I see Greer as ideally a 10-15 minute per game guy off the bench who can run the offense, hustle on defense and occasionally build up some confidence and stay out there longer.

It will be very much an open competition for the starting lead guard spot. I think Collins realizes that having no true guard out there is no longer an option. I don’t expect a lineup of Turner-Gaines-Kopp-Nance-Jones, for instance.

Collins did not have no true guard (PG/LG?)out there because he wanted to. He was forced into the situation

 

[hdhntr1]

He is not nearly as slow or bad on defense as people like to stereotype. He moves his feet very well and stays in front of guys as well as anyone besides Gaines.

But he needed at least one more year of physical development. By next year he will have it. Hopefully it shows on court.

 

[hdhntr1]

As one of the people who said Greer was bad on defense, you want to characterize me as someone with racist tendencies? Fine. Whatever floats your boat.

But in this climate, I sure hope you're as quick to take action and speak up for the many inequalities that are more important than the cheap evaluation of a basketball player.

Where did that come from?

 

[NURoseBowl]

Would you guys buy that he'll be a slightly better version of Sobolewski?

 

[Medill90]

Would you guys buy that he'll be a slightly better version of Sobolewski?

I thought Dave was a nice player. I think Greer is more physically gifted than Dave. Smoother, more effective on the dribble-drive.

But it's a really small sample size, we had tons to look at with Dave.

 

[torque-cat]

As one of the people who said Greer was bad on defense, you want to characterize me as someone with racist tendencies? Fine. Whatever floats your boat.

But in this climate, I sure hope you're as quick to take action and speak up for the many inequalities that are more important than the cheap evaluation of a basketball player.

Yes, I think most of us stereotype black and white athletes from time to time. I do as well.

 

[haywood jahblowme]

No. He was never thought of as a Lathon back-up. The class of 2018 was complete when Lathon signed his LOI. He was a desperation replacement when Lathon had his admission revoked.

this is not true. he was being recruited in the 2019 class to follow Lathon who would have been on campus in 2018

when Lathon got revoked, Greer was able to reclassify and come to NU

 

[LansingCat_rivals315357]

I look for 20 minutes per game with 3 assists and a rebound. 5 points on the low end. He could get to low double figures. High on the young man!

 

[Sec_112]

Yes, I think most of us stereotype black and white athletes from time to time. I do as well.

I hope you'll excuse me if I don't agree with that generalization. But I appreciate the response.

 

[IGNORE]

Would you guys buy that he'll be a slightly better version of Sobolewski?

Frosh or senior version?

 

[freewillie07]

Collins did not have no true guard (PG/LG?)out there because he wanted to. He was forced into the situation

Right, I meant that if he feels Greer and Buie aren't ready, he should still start one of them anyway. Last year was a bit different because it was truly just Greer, and I think Collins thought he had the veteran leadership to win without a LG.

 

[NURoseBowl]

Frosh or senior version?

Good question, Bobbo. Was kinda thinking overall body of work.

 

[Titanium999]

Right, I meant that if he feels Greer and Buie aren't ready, he should still start one of them anyway. Last year was a bit different because it was truly just Greer, and I think Collins thought he had the veteran leadership to win without a LG.

Greer will be solid. Maybe as good or better than bmac someday.

 

[hdhntr1]

this is not true. he was being recruited in the 2019 class to follow Lathon who would have been on campus in 2018

when Lathon got revoked, Greer was able to reclassify and come to NU

Would he have even come if Lathon was here? Was he able to get the scholarship because he reclassified?

 

[NJCat]

Would he have even come if Lathon was here? Was he able to get the scholarship because he reclassified?

It's pointless to speculate. However, if all he had were mid-major offers and wanted to play B1G hoops, that might had done the deal for him, even if he'd be a back-up for the first 3 years until Lathon graduated.

 

[haywood jahblowme]

It's pointless to speculate. However, if all he had were mid-major offers and wanted to play B1G hoops, that might had done the deal for him, even if he'd be a back-up for the first 3 years until Lathon graduated.

also the academic profile was a big draw for him even with Lathon in front of him

 

[hdhntr1]

It's pointless to speculate. However, if all he had were mid-major offers and wanted to play B1G hoops, that might had done the deal for him, even if he'd be a back-up for the first 3 years until Lathon graduated.

Sorry but if Lathon would have been here, I don't think Greer would have been. No minutes

 

[NJCat]

Sorry but if Lathon would have been here, I don't think Greer would have been. No minutes

How many minutes did he get last season? Yet he was here.....

 

[torque-cat]

Sorry but if Lathon would have been here, I don't think Greer would have been. No minutes

what makes us convinced Lathon would have been better? Lathon was much lower rated on average than Kopp and Nance and even those guys are not sure bets.

 

[NJCat]

what makes us convinced Lathon would have been better? Lathon was much lower rated on average than Kopp and Nance and even those guys are not sure bets.

Seriously? Did you watch any of the tape on Lathon? Did you see that he dropped 26 points on a good Marquette team? He averaged 10 points and 5 boards on a putrid UTEP team his true Freshman year. What did you see of Greer on the court that makes you suggest that he would have been better than what Lathon did on the court?

Geez.......

 

[torque-cat]

Seriously? Did you watch any of the tape on Lathon? Did you see that he dropped 26 points on a good Marquette team? He averaged 10 points and 5 boards on a putrid UTEP team his true Freshman year. What did you see of Greer on the court that makes you suggest that he would have been better than what Lathon did on the court?

Geez.......

"He averaged 10 pts and 5 boards on a putrid UTEP team."

Exactly my point. We've seen the difference between big ten and lower tiers of play--Ryan Taylor, Ivanauskas etc... A kid who averages 10 pts and 5 boards on a very bad, small program is unlikely to be effective in the big ten. Grass is always greener.