So you're saying I should have to defend my house and the lives of my wife and I with a shotgun? With a plug that limits me to 3 shots? Sorry bud, but if some liberal comes to my house looking to do harm he's going to be met with lots more than that.
What are Reasonable and Possible Solutions to Reduce Shootings (Schools and Venues)
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the term "assault rifle" that's used frequently by the media always cracks me up.
The days of leaving your house doors unlocked have been long gone already, schools are no longer sanctuaries from the problems of modern society. You cannot expect schools to have an open door policy, even to their own students.
There will always be guns so you must retrofit schools to prevent or limit the damage ashooter can do. Metal detectors, bullet proof classroom doors that can’t be breached with gunfire, armed guards or some combination of measures to counteract shooters.
Of course the government can’t afford to do that because they have irresponsibly spent state funds for decades.
There will always be guns so you must retrofit schools to prevent or limit the damage ashooter can do. Metal detectors, bullet proof classroom doors that can’t be breached with gunfire, armed guards or some combination of measures to counteract shooters.
Of course the government can’t afford to do that because they have irresponsibly spent state funds for decades.
You can't defend your home with a shotgun? You obviously don't know **** about shotguns. [laughing] I hate to laugh, but damn....
You could defend your home with your reading comprehension. It's awesome.
How about this for starters....
* Parent(s)....raise your kids to understand that bullying is completely unacceptable in any form. Teaching them this simple rule may save their life one day, or maybe at least keep them from getting their *** kicked. My dad would have lit me up if I had bullied any of my classmates.
* Parent(s).....keep your GD guns locked away where your kids can't access them. Guns are not ****ing toys. Pay attention to what your kids are doing and their behavior. Get them help if they seem off kilter.
* Start charging people who are too GD lazy or careless to lock their guns up where their kids can't access them with a felony. A couple of years ago here there was an 11 year old boy who shot and killed his 8 year old neighbor at point blank range with a 12 gauge because she wouldn't let him pet her dog. His ****ing parents were actually home at the time.
* Parent(s)....raise your kids to understand that bullying is completely unacceptable in any form. Teaching them this simple rule may save their life one day, or maybe at least keep them from getting their *** kicked. My dad would have lit me up if I had bullied any of my classmates.
* Parent(s).....keep your GD guns locked away where your kids can't access them. Guns are not ****ing toys. Pay attention to what your kids are doing and their behavior. Get them help if they seem off kilter.
* Start charging people who are too GD lazy or careless to lock their guns up where their kids can't access them with a felony. A couple of years ago here there was an 11 year old boy who shot and killed his 8 year old neighbor at point blank range with a 12 gauge because she wouldn't let him pet her dog. His ****ing parents were actually home at the time.
We've got to do a better job with stuff like that. It wasn't a school shooting, but if law enforcement had confiscated the Waffle House shooter's guns instead of giving them to his dad, those people would still be alive. If they had confiscated my former coworker's guns after he was involuntarily committed, the two police officers who approach his house wouldn't have been shot.
Execute any school shooters within 2 weeks of crime. Charge parents in some type of manner ( and in a big way) if their kids use their weapons.
Lessening entry points in proportion with school population size. Metal detectors and resource officer check points.
Lessening entry points in proportion with school population size. Metal detectors and resource officer check points.
Is "school shooting" really the problem or is it the mass murder of children? Because it seems to me many of you guys are focusing on two particular events that if solved would only fix the former.
If they had TSA security backed by Navy SEALS checking for weapons at schools, the dudes that did this wouldn't have been able to do what they did... at school. But that kid could have rolled into a party, waited outside a football game, whatever. Just seems to shift the problem.
If they had TSA security backed by Navy SEALS checking for weapons at schools, the dudes that did this wouldn't have been able to do what they did... at school. But that kid could have rolled into a party, waited outside a football game, whatever. Just seems to shift the problem.
I didn't say simply banning one type of weapon would solve the issue. I had 6 multi-faceted bullet points. Great job ignoring all that to focus on one part of one point to continue your agenda though.
Reduce the stigma of seeking help for mental health issues.
Better, more affordable mental health care
More properly trained, armed security personnel.
Metal detectors.
On the law enforcement end, destroy all seized illegal guns, guns confiscated from felons convicted of violent crimes and guns used in violent crimes instead of auctioning them off to the public or returning them to the criminal's family members.
On the media side, quit publicizing the shooters. I've worked in media. I know it's the job of the press to report news to the public. But today's constant news coverage turns these monsters into celebrities and inspires mentally ill copy cats.
Silly **** like arming teachers and banning all the guns will never work. It's a multi-faceted problem and there is no blanket solution or 100 percent foolproof way to solve this. I just hope it ends soon. I was in high school when Heath High School was shot up in 1997. I was a senior the year of Columbine. One of these is too damn many.
Better, more affordable mental health care
More properly trained, armed security personnel.
Metal detectors.
On the law enforcement end, destroy all seized illegal guns, guns confiscated from felons convicted of violent crimes and guns used in violent crimes instead of auctioning them off to the public or returning them to the criminal's family members.
On the media side, quit publicizing the shooters. I've worked in media. I know it's the job of the press to report news to the public. But today's constant news coverage turns these monsters into celebrities and inspires mentally ill copy cats.
Silly **** like arming teachers and banning all the guns will never work. It's a multi-faceted problem and there is no blanket solution or 100 percent foolproof way to solve this. I just hope it ends soon. I was in high school when Heath High School was shot up in 1997. I was a senior the year of Columbine. One of these is too damn many.
This is easy problem to solve just no one has the courage to do it politically.
First deploy the national guard to any and all schools. They exist to protect the country and our kids need protection now. They just need to be a presence on campuses everywhere.
Second install metal detectors in all schools
Guard will deter most from doing it and metal detectors will stop it as long as those doing the screening are competent. It’s time to create a task force like the TSA for schools. I don’t care about people’s feelings on this matter only that kids lives being saved. Arming teachers, debating guns, morality, etc does not solve any problems. You want to solve it then stop it in it’s tracks.
We spend money on far worse time to step it up and fix the mentality that anyone can walk into a school.
First deploy the national guard to any and all schools. They exist to protect the country and our kids need protection now. They just need to be a presence on campuses everywhere.
Second install metal detectors in all schools
Guard will deter most from doing it and metal detectors will stop it as long as those doing the screening are competent. It’s time to create a task force like the TSA for schools. I don’t care about people’s feelings on this matter only that kids lives being saved. Arming teachers, debating guns, morality, etc does not solve any problems. You want to solve it then stop it in it’s tracks.
We spend money on far worse time to step it up and fix the mentality that anyone can walk into a school.
what im trying to say is unless the detector is tide to a locked door to keep them out they will just start shooting when they get to the detector and enter the building anyway.
We all have our tolerances. Me, when they put a security check point at the entrances of schools is when I begin home-schooling. That's no longer a welcoming, inviting place conducive to learning and instruction. You are telling children by doing so that you have no trust or confidence in them due to the actions of a sparse few. And it is definitely worse than children actually dying in my estimation.
Of course, and the bottom line is govt doesn’t care. It takes money to make schools “safer”.
People don’t want to understand that. They just get all emotional and look towards the govt who tells them what they want to hear in order to secure votes.
Parent your child. That’s the first line of defense, and really the only thing you can worry about.
Here is one idea that no one has said. Lowering the age to buy fire arms and let kids go to school armed.
Assault rifles have not been used in these attacks.
Would be a good start at taking away all of our guns eventually. First off, understand what an assault weapon/rifle is. Know what types of guns have the highest kill capability. Know which ones are easier to reload. Know what each state/community/family uses them for, some do for food, some for protection. Border states might need rifles with high capacity mags to keep too many people from stealing and or attacking their homes. Some big ranchers need them to keep predatory animals from their stock. But, the most important reason is to make sure we have at least some defense against any possibility of a repressive government. Won't happen here? You have not been paying attention to the world of PC today. Trying to block free speech at every turn. No thanks, not while I am still around.
This is the greatest country in the history of history, but we have a serious cultural problem.. That is why this only happens here.
You (general) refuse to realise this because it is far easier to divert blame elsewhere than it is to take responsibility... we are all responsible for the environment we have created.
You (general) refuse to realise this because it is far easier to divert blame elsewhere than it is to take responsibility... we are all responsible for the environment we have created.
This last shooter used a shotgun and a handgun, so how would a ban on AR’s or AK’s help? And after the ban and the next shooting happens, how long before they want to ban another type of gun?
The only real problem with this is that it takes longer to get through so the kids will be sitting ducks waiting to get in.
Not one time! Has never happened.
The gun ban nuts and the media are dumber than dumb.
Love reading people like wildcatboston, who makes his dad pay for half his Netflix, talk about making “assault rifles” illegal and doing away with one of the biggest gun safety advocates with the NRA.
For one, any weapon that is used to assault is an assault weapon. You are wanting to make a gun illegal because you think it looks scary. It’s no different than a wood stock gun that you would more than likely be okay with someone owning but in actuality it can be made to do the same thing that the tactical version can do.
For two, you say you are okay with people owning handguns but not okay with someone owning an AK. Last time I checked it, which is every day because I own an AK and many handguns, it’s a lot harder to conceal a handgun than a full sized rifle or even the smaller version of the rifle. Once again, you are wanting to ban a gun because of the way it looks.
For three, please stop watching so much CNN or whoever is making you believe that the NRA is some terrorist organization that sacrifices children. You’re talking about an organization of over 5 million people who haven’t been responsible for any of these mass shooting that their name keeps getting attached too. There are organizations that lobby for and against legislation for all of our rights this one just lobbies for the second amendment
For one, any weapon that is used to assault is an assault weapon. You are wanting to make a gun illegal because you think it looks scary. It’s no different than a wood stock gun that you would more than likely be okay with someone owning but in actuality it can be made to do the same thing that the tactical version can do.
For two, you say you are okay with people owning handguns but not okay with someone owning an AK. Last time I checked it, which is every day because I own an AK and many handguns, it’s a lot harder to conceal a handgun than a full sized rifle or even the smaller version of the rifle. Once again, you are wanting to ban a gun because of the way it looks.
For three, please stop watching so much CNN or whoever is making you believe that the NRA is some terrorist organization that sacrifices children. You’re talking about an organization of over 5 million people who haven’t been responsible for any of these mass shooting that their name keeps getting attached too. There are organizations that lobby for and against legislation for all of our rights this one just lobbies for the second amendment
This is what they want, once they get semi auto rifles banned, they won’t stop till all guns are banned. Of course we would have another civil war before that would happen.
Start teaching the value of life. Quit putting so many hormones in food. Crack down on bullying. Quit medicating boys for being boys. Take 24 hour news channels off tv.
Schools would still have multiple doors anyone can exit from. However, those doors need to be locked at all times and constructed in a way that someone cannot shoot or break the glass to enter. Newly constructed schools must have the technology installed that allows control of all doors on the premises. Older schools have to be done the old fashioned way and manually install automatic locked doors after it closes.
To get into the school you have to go through a single point entry. As soon as you enter you have to go through a security checkpoint. If someone decides they want to try something there is an armed guard in place where they are secured enough to shy away from being shot themselves and can take out the shooter.
My concern is you run into another problem and that is people being ambushed while waiting to get in or let's say a student pulls the fire alarm and everyone exits. They have their weapons somewhere nearby where they can start shooting people as they are waiting outside. Same thing if a student opens a door and puts something in place to keep it cracked open (like that guy in Colorado who shot up the movie theatre did), go get their weapons and then re-enter without having to go through the single point entrance. Fact is if someone wants to kill they will find a way to do it.
For those who do not want metal detectors, etc. schools. Well, we all hate TSA and airport security points but how many hijacked planes have we had since 9-11? Are they perfect, absolutely not. Have they at least deterred bad guys absolutely yes. None of these measures will 100% stop school shootings, but they will at least make it more difficult and cut them down significantly.
The reasons why these kids end up shooting schools is a whole different and extremely complex issue to solve.
Every time a mass shooting occurs, here come the “gun” debate. Never fails. From what I hear and see, I have concluded the media or gin control crowd don’t care about lives lost, it is about politics and control by banning guns.
More kids die from texting while driving than by school shootings, yet no one is asking for cell phone bans. More babies are killed by abortion than shootings and liberals are fine with that.
So pardon me if I refuse to buy into your hypocrisy. I think liberals are happy with every school shooting so they can bring up gun control. If you want to prove me wrong, then start really caring about saving lives and talk about other ways to save kids instead of the constant drum beat about guns.
More kids die from texting while driving than by school shootings, yet no one is asking for cell phone bans. More babies are killed by abortion than shootings and liberals are fine with that.
So pardon me if I refuse to buy into your hypocrisy. I think liberals are happy with every school shooting so they can bring up gun control. If you want to prove me wrong, then start really caring about saving lives and talk about other ways to save kids instead of the constant drum beat about guns.
Issue every student a gun with one bullet. Call it the Fife act. Crazed gunman won't dare run into a classroom then if he thinks he might get shot 25 times.
I would be interested in seeing the Fox article when it's published to see where they got their data, but the statement the school shootings are rare and are declining flys in the face of FBI data:
A recent FBI report on “active shooters” from 2000 to 2015 found that the number of incidents more than doubled from the first to the second half of the period. Four of the five deadliest shootings in American history happened in the past five years, and 2017 already far exceeds any previous year for the number of casualties.
It is interesting, however, that schools have been the second-highest risk location.
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