What are the chances of Duke ever having another 2,000 career point player.
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Looking at Grayson Allen's points through his first 2 seasons. He has 932 career points, so he has a chance to reach 2000 points IF he stays for his senior season but he'll have to average 534 points over the next 2 seasons IF he stays beyond this upcoming season but considering most thought that he was going to leave after last season, I'm don't know if he'll stay for his senior season and even if he does decide to stay for his senior season, I don't know if he could average 534 points per season over the next 2 seasons since he'll probably be handling a lot of the point guard duties. Right now he's averaging 466 points per season and that puts him on pace to end up with 1864 points for his career if he stays for 4 years.
I consider it highly unlikely. It would take a lot of dependence on a 4 year player to be a top scorer right away. Grayson could get there, which I think would be amazing given his freshman year.
But I think it would require a greater lack of talent surrounding the player.
I hope that made sense, haha.
But I think it would require a greater lack of talent surrounding the player.
I hope that made sense, haha.
I think I get what you're saying. You tihnk a player would need to stay for 4 years and be the go to guy for scoring due to a lack of talented players on the team with him.
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Yeah I agree, which is why I made sure I emphasized the word "if" in my earlier post.
I doubt it. It is sort of like asking if there will ever be anyone that surpasses Laettner's post-season scoring total. Just can't happen....you would have to have a 4 year player that was on a team that went to the final 4 for 4 years....not going to happen again, ever.
A player could do it in 3 years but he would have to put on big numbers. Art Heyman came within just a few points and no doubt if he had the three point line he would have blown it wide open. But if we ever get a scorer like him again they are gone in at least 2 years. The money is just too big. Now if the rule ever changes to the point they can come out after high school and if not had to stay 3 years like baseball we might find one.OFC.
Jason Williams hit 2000 in three years. Luke has the skills to do it, but he's going to be on some really talented teams for 3 more years where the ball is going to be spread around like @dbav so eloquently put it. 
It's possible but not likely. I think it will happen again, but the kid is going to have to have a skill set that allows him to score, but not necessarily be valued by the NBA right away.
It's possible but not likely. I think it will happen again, but the kid is going to have to have a skill set that allows him to score, but not necessarily be valued by the NBA right away.
If you can get another reddick type player(who was unbelievably good) you would imo. But that's one thing k can do better than anyone is bring in a guy like him to stay 4 years. That's being said, he is 4X the player Allen is (no disrespect) and Allen will in all likelihood be gone after this year
He's a tier above Grayson for now, but in a few years after looking back, it's going to be closer than it looks. As a soph, Grayson had a better season and skill set than JJ. One more monster year and another title and we may be asking if Grayson's #3 could go up.
Did you know Grayson was only 62 points away from the Duke single season scoring record and holds the ACC record for largest improvement in points from one season to another? The kid is special.
I agree he's a very good player, but if I had to chose between the two, I'm taking reddick all day. Like I said, I loved his game.
Right now, for sure. JJ all day. I'm saying barring injury and such, it may be a closer conversation looking back in a few years.
IMO the biggest difference between JJ and Grayson is that JJ early in his career at Duke really didn't have a drive to the basket game, he mostly took jumpshots or 3 pointers although he did develop a drive to the basket game late in his career at Duke, whereas Grayson already has a drive to the basket game and can also make jumpshots and 3 pointers
imo a current three year player today has a better chance than the Heyman's or Vergadid simply due to the length of the season.The former players only played 80 games while a modern three year player player would play in a 105 to 110 games
To add to your point, modern players on top tier teams could potentially play as many as 120 games in 3 years (of course that would only happen if their team won their conference tournament and the NCAAT all 3 years)
In the OAD era, our 2000 point scorers have all been "alarmingly unathletic." That's to say, these days it has to be a guy that the NBA is ignoring. We aren't pulling in many guys fitting this profile at the moment.
If Duke averages to play 36 games a year the next 3 seasons like they did this year, Luke would need an average of 14.6 ppg. Certainly doable, but I don't think any of us are expecting to get to that average in 2017 with all of the talent around him.
If Luke averages 11 ppg as a sophomore, he would need to average 16.4 ppg as a junior and senior to reach the 2,000 point milestone. He's got a chance I believe.
If Luke averages 11 ppg as a sophomore, he would need to average 16.4 ppg as a junior and senior to reach the 2,000 point milestone. He's got a chance I believe.
We also have to factor in health.
Grant Hill, Langdon and Battier all barely missed hitting 2,000 because of injuries.
Heyman would have made it had he not been suspended following THE FIGHT.
Grant Hill, Langdon and Battier all barely missed hitting 2,000 because of injuries.
Heyman would have made it had he not been suspended following THE FIGHT.
I wouldn't go that far. If Grayson were to stay 4 years, no doubt in my mind that his career at Duke would be on par with JJ, if not better, since he brought a national title to Duke.
Someone please explain to me why kennard will go from a guy that rarely saw the court to a 2000 point scorer at duke. I'm not hating on the guy but it will be even harder this year for him to get minutes with the lineup you guys have now. I know he scored 425 as a freshman, but you're a little deeper this year and I don't see Tatum or anybody taking a backseat to him. Another thing, depending on your 2018 line, I can see him breaking out and leaving after his junior yr depending on what you have of course
Just look at Jon Scheyer's career. In each of his first two years, he scored less than what Luke Kennard did this year. He reached 2000 points.
Grayson went from not seeing the court much and scoring 4.4 ppg as a freshman to 21.6 ppg as a sophomore which was the highest ppg increase from one season to the next in ACC history, so anyone that thinks that something similar can't happen to Kennard is crazy
I might be a little crazy but I don't think so. We will have too many scorers for the next 1 or 2 years for another jump in scoring like Grayson had. Grayson's scoring was very needed last season which hopefully will not be the case this year.
Maybe not jump to 21 a game, but how about Luke can absolutely become a go to scorer for a team that while loaded with talent, will still need scorers. Grayson and Jayson and eventually Frank will score the ball consistently. Harry isn't a dominant take over scorer. Neither is Amile, Marques or Matt. Luke will be a third option very early and if he's consistent this season, could work his way to #2.
I wasn't saying that Luke will have as big of a jump in ppg from his freshman to his sophomore season as Grayson did, I meant that anyone that thinks that it isn't possible that he could have a significant improvement from his freshman season to his sophomore season is crazy
Luke is a possibility. Yes, he will have more talent around him which could lead to fewer scoring chances, but the chances he does get should be easier looks with less pressure. Additionally, loaded lineups/teams will hopefully lead to more games played by advancing further in ACC and NCA tournaments. If Duke went to the ACC and NCAA finals this year, that would have been 4 more games. Last, being on a winning team means opponents fouling at end of games. Even if Luke is the 3rd, 4th option, he will be getting lots of foul shots in end game sits with his FT ability if recruiting keeps up.
Going forward, a Langdon type would seem likely. A great shooter on very good teams that doesn't have NBA athleticism.
Going forward, a Langdon type would seem likely. A great shooter on very good teams that doesn't have NBA athleticism.
Well personally I hope Luke can get 25 a game but then again I wish all of the players could do that.
I will say Luke has everything in front of him this season. He is the absolute perfect cog with Tatum and Grayson. He draws instant attention and opens up the lane. Pick your poison and I'm thinking he will be much more consistent this year which is deadly for everyone else. He will have a couple 30pt games on 13-15shots.
True but you have to take into consideration he will only get better and be a key person to score. If the avg 20ppg then it's very likely.