Why not ? If he wins it will help him. Holding him out,unless he’s injured, is not the Iowa way. Or is it now?
What are the odds against the Oklahoma State People?
- Thread starter Iron Doc
- Start date
Don’t you remember when Dan Gable sat out matches at the end of the year to rest up?
Im guessing we see both AF and Gabe
Swiderski hasn't wrestled in a few weeks he has a bad knee. Ryder has been out with a bad shoulder. Not sure if we see those guys. It's been Hickman and Dopps. They've had some guy refused to compete and say we are gonna medical and transfer. Robb and Thompson have already done that and have been removed from the roster. Sounds like Jamison is thinking about doing the same
What, I thought only Tom makes guys wrestle hurt or get gone!?
Not going to lie, definitely felt this way when Brian Ferentz was in his last years as offensive coordinator. Look at how much better we have gotten on offense in football in the past two seasons. Maybe something similar would happen if we shook up the staff.
Comparing Brian freakin Ferentz to a 4x national champ coach. Lmaoooo
Both are too stubborn to change something that isn’t working. Unfortunately, you can turn around a basketball or football team, a lot easier than a wrestling program. The top guys (save Spencer Lee) aren’t going to Iowa recently. Cael is running circles around Iowa.
Do I think they are comparable as far as quality of actual coaching? No, not by a mile. This has always been about results. Brands had 20 years to evolve and improve the program and what you are seeing now is due to YEARS of outdated recruiting, training, technique and decision making.
How long does he need? How many years did Zalesky get with 3 titles?
That "I'm hoping you're right" didn't belong to that thread. It was me saying I hope both Gabe and AF go against OSU.
I want him gone too. I just think comparing him to maybe the most incompetent OC of the 21st century is stupid
That’s putting it kindly. There probably weren’t many worse offensive coordinators than Brian in the 20th century either.
See, another dumbsh*t statement. You can’t help yourself. Our offense does suck but it’s not the worst in the B10 or one of the worst in the country…not even close.
Grab a cranberry juice and chill. Their offensive output and lack of takedowns against good teams is awful and it’s okay to call it out and even joke about it.
Our offense was average. That’s a gigantic improvement from Boy Wonder.
6 until he was kicked to the curb. But I guess it’s ok.. all the years of meh post seasons/recruiting classes/3rd-5th place finishes/lack of individual national champs/all the guys they have totally ruined/all the burned bridges. Tom is great I can’t wait for him to lead this mess into his 60s woo hoo he’ll definitely adapt by then.
There isn’t a reason to lower your RPI, winning percentage and split H2H. If this is about the wrestler, you sit him. Teams have been dodging matchups for years. Not playing the game is pigheaded.
You're right, it's OK to call it out and joke about it. But comparing TnT to BF...I don't think so. I had a juice and chilled...and I still think it was a dumbsh*t comment. You're better than that...
They need to consult Mo to be sure they are doing everything right
Or ridiculouS. The program is not what they try to portray then. Excuses or for wusses, best team out, work harder these are all just catch words. Can they win? Protecting a seed is not the goal correct. Winning wrestling matches is. If they are injured ok but not wrestling to protect a 6-10 seed is INSANE.
I felt the same way you do not that long ago, and a part of me still does. However, it’s not how every team approaches it and it’s because they want to finish as high as they can at Nationals. It’s my opinion, I am trying to change yours
Hmmm - I didn't realize athletes from other schools got banged up during the year? And um - disgruntled wrestlers? Really thought it was just Iowa.
Zalesky was able to draft off of the Gable era dominance and didn't have Penn State and its riches to deal with.
Based on the probables:
125 Spratley dec Peterson 0-3
133 Jax dec Ayala 0-6 <= this could be MD.
141 Vega TF Peterson 0-11
149 Block dec Hickman 3-11
157 Robideau dec Williams 3-14
165 Lockett dec Cali 3-17
174 PK dec Facundo 6-17
184 Gabe dec Dopps 9-17
197 Merrill TF Sampson 9-22
HWT Doucet dec Kueter 9-25 <= this is really a tossup, so 9-25 or 12-22
125 Spratley dec Peterson 0-3
133 Jax dec Ayala 0-6 <= this could be MD.
141 Vega TF Peterson 0-11
149 Block dec Hickman 3-11
157 Robideau dec Williams 3-14
165 Lockett dec Cali 3-17
174 PK dec Facundo 6-17
184 Gabe dec Dopps 9-17
197 Merrill TF Sampson 9-22
HWT Doucet dec Kueter 9-25 <= this is really a tossup, so 9-25 or 12-22
I don’t disagree that Z was ultimately the wrong guy but don’t forget Gable handpicked him over Brands. Brands was able to draft off Zalesky recruits like Perry, Dennis and Morningstar in addition to his guys to win those three titles.
Brands could have evolved his recruiting and training methods in those earlier years but didn’t whilst Cael was doing his thing in the recruiting hotbed. He should be held accountable for that.
Nowadays a Johnny Hendricks would just go to Penn State and Mark Perry to Ok St and Iowa wouldn't get either. If you were elite it was basically a 2 team race then. Unfortunately now under Brands the programs has drifted outside that dynamic. The 2 team race is PSU and appears Ok St with David Taylor. Then Iowa is left fighting Ohio St and the rest for recruits. Same can be said for the transfer portal. Iowa hopes to pay for someone PSU or Ok St didnt want on first dibs.
Its not that Gable didn't want Brands- it was more Z was the safe pick for Bowlsby because he was much more tactful and wasn't viewed a unpolished liability.
Ohio St almost had Cael. That's why ISU had to push Bobby to the side. Imagine that landscape. I have no doubt the machine would be the same results but in Columbus had that happened.
I recommend the book - 4 days to glory
I have the book and read it. I remember how everything shook out in 2006 but I was responding to the ridiculous notion that the second Cael landed at PSU, that Iowa was screwed and nothing could have been done to stop, slow or dull his effect there.
I do not like Brands’ style, attitude or personality. I will never deny he is a great, HOF coach that actually did really good considering his recruiting and training methods.
His stubbornness and resistance to changing and evolving whether it’s his staff, recruiting, technique and training methods helped PSU get to the top, stay there and prevented Iowa from evolving to the ever changing landscape of the sport.
I agree. Brands was cool and funny when he won his first 3 titles but that wore off a few years after. The whole if there is life outside the earth we will wrestle them too was great in that moment. But after that high you started seeing the reality.
Personally my last straw was when he allowed Gilman to go represent Iowa up in Waverly with Dresser and Schwab. It was embarrassing how Gilman acted that night. To not understand what kind of firecracker he was sending up north that night really spoke to how dense he is to other aspects of the program outside the practice room. I would never welcome Gilman back at all PERIOD
Brands has never really seen the forest through the trees. But Spencer came along, Perry was brought into the HWC and the program had fresh air. But that's all gone and he cant put the genie back in the bottle. We will all just likely suffer with the bushwhacker twins for one more season because it makes more sense to show him the door after next season. I wish he would just read the room and retire because imo he will do more damage to his legacy next season. Plus give the new coach much more time to re recruit the 27 kids to still come to Iowa. I fear the 27 class will be too close to burning midnight when Brands is let go and lose them all.