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The Three Stooges are timeless classics who brought laughs to generations of Americans, and they do not deserve such an insult from the likes of you. You need to apologize for this baseless attack.
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Interesting read in the herald leader by a Kentucky Center for Investigative Reporting writer about the corruption at uavel.
They keep asking the state for more money to pay attorneys and auditors but refuse to disclose any details of the investigations. amazing.
http://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article165453287.html
What are the odds that this story is not in the otisvill rag?
They keep asking the state for more money to pay attorneys and auditors but refuse to disclose any details of the investigations. amazing.
http://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article165453287.html
What are the odds that this story is not in the otisvill rag?
This needs its own thread imo. This bs just keeps happening with them.
Another amazing story from Transfer U, and a predictable outcome when you engage a lot of legal beagles to "help" you. Sounds like these "auditors" need an audit.
No doubt.
Reminds me of the billions of dollars involved in the Florida smoking damages lawsuit where the lawyers charged more hours than there were hours in a day for their services-----and they weren't the ones with cancer and breathing problems.
Found an interesting post from a Louisville fan on the Scout board about the penalties in the Louisville case. I thought it was worth sharing and saving for future reference. The post was in response to others saying Louisville should not have self-imposed the ban because, they argued, the NCAA did not even take it into account.
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But it was taken into account. We got off light with only the one year postseason ban we self-imposed. By the NCAA's punishment guidelines, here's what they charged us with:
Charge 1: Level I Aggravated (Institution - Impermissible Benefits)
Charge 2: Level I - Aggravated (McGee failure to cooperate, unethical conduct )
Charge 3: Level II - Aggravated (Williams failure to cooperate)
Charge 4: Level I - standard (Pitino failure to monitor)
Penalties for Level I aggravated according to the 2012 structure (which is more lenient than today's):
Postseason Ban: 2-4 Years. -We only got 1, which we self-imposed.
Financial Penalty(fines, in addition to return of monies collected): Negate revenues from sports program in which violation occurred. -We only return postseason monies, not the whole season's revenues.
Scholarship Reductions: 25-50%. -We got far less than 25%
Show Cause: 5-10 Years -Mcgee got this full force of this, Pitino got none.
Head Coach Suspensions: 50-100% of season. -CRP got far less than half the season.
Recruiting Visits: 25-50% unofficial, 25-50% official (4-6 visits). 20-50% off campus recruiting, 14-26 week ban on all off campus recruiting. -We didn't even get close to this.
Probation: 6-10 Years. Again, we're far under.
And by their own guidelines, this was also to occur (prior to 2013, it was not discretionary to apply this penalty):
(h) Vacation of records in a cases which a student-athlete has competed while ineligible, particularly in cases involving
academic fraud, serious intentional violations, direct involvement of a coach or a high-ranking school
administrator, a large number of violations, competition while academically ineligible, a finding of failure
to monitor or lack of institutional control, a repeat violator, or a case in which vacation or a similar penalty
would be imposed if the underlying violations were secondary. The penalties may include one or more of the
following:
(1) Vacation of individual records and performances;
(2) Vacation of team records and performances, including wins from the career record of the head coach in
the involved sport, or, in applicable cases, reconfiguration of team point totals; or
(3) Return of individual or team awards to the Association.
We got these vacation of records penalties as they proscribed, as per their guidelines. Still, this was a stretch and was always applied very selectively anyway. This was unnecessary, punitive, and they could easily have used the newer guidelines for this portion that makes it far more discretionary from the committee.
So While the vacating of records was over the top, we got off lightly on the other penalties. The fact that we never once had to recruit a single class with a looming postseason ban was HUGE for this program, and self imposing that penalty mid season, while tough to swallow at the time, was the best thing the administration did. Otherwise it would have been this year, or the next two years by rule. So I'm not saying it's good or right, I'm just saying we were supposed to get everything we got AND MORE. So it sure looks like the narrative of "they didn't take our self imposed penalties or cooperation into account" is false- because by the rulebook, we were supposed to have even harsher penalties than we got.
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But it was taken into account. We got off light with only the one year postseason ban we self-imposed. By the NCAA's punishment guidelines, here's what they charged us with:
Charge 1: Level I Aggravated (Institution - Impermissible Benefits)
Charge 2: Level I - Aggravated (McGee failure to cooperate, unethical conduct )
Charge 3: Level II - Aggravated (Williams failure to cooperate)
Charge 4: Level I - standard (Pitino failure to monitor)
Penalties for Level I aggravated according to the 2012 structure (which is more lenient than today's):
Postseason Ban: 2-4 Years. -We only got 1, which we self-imposed.
Financial Penalty(fines, in addition to return of monies collected): Negate revenues from sports program in which violation occurred. -We only return postseason monies, not the whole season's revenues.
Scholarship Reductions: 25-50%. -We got far less than 25%
Show Cause: 5-10 Years -Mcgee got this full force of this, Pitino got none.
Head Coach Suspensions: 50-100% of season. -CRP got far less than half the season.
Recruiting Visits: 25-50% unofficial, 25-50% official (4-6 visits). 20-50% off campus recruiting, 14-26 week ban on all off campus recruiting. -We didn't even get close to this.
Probation: 6-10 Years. Again, we're far under.
And by their own guidelines, this was also to occur (prior to 2013, it was not discretionary to apply this penalty):
(h) Vacation of records in a cases which a student-athlete has competed while ineligible, particularly in cases involving
academic fraud, serious intentional violations, direct involvement of a coach or a high-ranking school
administrator, a large number of violations, competition while academically ineligible, a finding of failure
to monitor or lack of institutional control, a repeat violator, or a case in which vacation or a similar penalty
would be imposed if the underlying violations were secondary. The penalties may include one or more of the
following:
(1) Vacation of individual records and performances;
(2) Vacation of team records and performances, including wins from the career record of the head coach in
the involved sport, or, in applicable cases, reconfiguration of team point totals; or
(3) Return of individual or team awards to the Association.
We got these vacation of records penalties as they proscribed, as per their guidelines. Still, this was a stretch and was always applied very selectively anyway. This was unnecessary, punitive, and they could easily have used the newer guidelines for this portion that makes it far more discretionary from the committee.
So While the vacating of records was over the top, we got off lightly on the other penalties. The fact that we never once had to recruit a single class with a looming postseason ban was HUGE for this program, and self imposing that penalty mid season, while tough to swallow at the time, was the best thing the administration did. Otherwise it would have been this year, or the next two years by rule. So I'm not saying it's good or right, I'm just saying we were supposed to get everything we got AND MORE. So it sure looks like the narrative of "they didn't take our self imposed penalties or cooperation into account" is false- because by the rulebook, we were supposed to have even harsher penalties than we got.
That brings to mind Dec 30, 2001. The whole downtown was electric. I remember sitting at a table by the window inside the Big Blue Martini, watching the spectacle.
We have "the door".....they have "the *****".
This thread needs to get to 500 pages.
Where's that dumb bastard @Steelers2012 ???? I hope he posts at least once before the season starts.
Where's that dumb bastard @Steelers2012 ???? I hope he posts at least once before the season starts.
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It gives me such pleasure that the rest of the country now knows what UK fans have known or years...UL is a filthy cesspool.
UL Fans are the slimiest,low moral,scum I can think of,even felons in prison have lines they won't cross,but these Tards have no remorse or scrupels about what has happened or doing it again,they only care that they got caught.
I'm far from perfect in any sense,but they disgust me,repugnent.
I'm far from perfect in any sense,but they disgust me,repugnent.
Word to women with implants: keep the safety belt down low.BUMP....
Quotes from coaches regarding the Louisville case (LINK):
- "The Louisville one, it's easier because they've already announced that they are taking it so they have to win on appeal, and I don't think they will. What they did, what happened was just too egregious. You read the testimony of it, what [former Louisville director of basketball operations Andre] McGee did. It's actually amazing he hasn't been arrested. Make an underage kid hook up with a prostitute? I just don't see how they are going to back down from that."
- "I don't see how Louisville keeps that title. They played ineligible players in the tournament."
- "On the flip side with Louisville, we know what our guys are doing on and off campus. You going to tell me you have a stripper party, people going in and out of that building, and nobody knows about it? "
- "Trust me, we know everything that goes on our with our program. And so did Rick Pitino."
- "They vacated Memphis, so they're going to vacate Louisville. If they don't they're going to look like they got no f------ power. What are they, just a figurehead to slap coaches on the wrist? Ruin some coaches lives but not others? And not do anything to the institution? How can they not [vacate Louisville]?"
- "It's funny, when the thing happened with Louisville and one of the guys on our staff, support staff, said there's nothing going to happen to him [Pitino]. I'm like, 'What?' I just find it entertaining. We had a kid transfer from there, had him on a visit, and I remember this because it was quite a few years ago. Heard about how Pitino was micromanaging, busting in their rooms to check if their rooms are clean, what's in their fridge. I thought, If he's that micromanaging, how does he not know what's going on here?"
- "What I have a hard time with is when you have coaches who act like they knew nothing was going on. You know what? Obviously there are circumstances that you don't know as a coach. How are you supposed to know if a couple guys on your team go out to eat, there's a booster there and they pay for the meal? They don't tell anybody. They just say thank you very much. How would a coach know that? Those are the things as a staff you don't know about. But when it comes to recruiting and stuff going on during recruiting visits, head coaches know where the kids are going after hours, who they're hanging out with after a meal, a social event. Head coaches know who the kids' hosts are."
- "You mean to tell me like in Louisville's situation, and Pitino's a major micromanager, not one person, whether it's the recruit himself, one of his players, the kids' dad, whoever else was with him on the visit, doesn't the next day at breakfast say, 'Coach, we had the greatest time ever!' 'Oh really? What did you do?' Maybe not tell all, but he gives a hint. If it happened once or twice, OK, maybe coach does't know. If it happens that many times, somebody leaks something. Especially a guy who is a micromanager and seems to worry about image stuff a lot. You have to be turning a complete blind eye if you don't know."
- "The Louisville saga, on the other hand, is a complete embarrassment to our profession. How does Rick Pitino still have a job? This is a complete joke and makes me ashamed to be a part of this profession. There are many other guys (in many other sports) that have been fired for far less than what went on in Rick Pitino's program. A few years back, the NCAA came out publicly and made it known that anything that went on inside a program was the responsibility of the head coach, no questions asked. So all of this happened, and Pitino gets a five-game suspension? Total joke -- sorry, but it is. And there's a lot of coaches out there who would completely agree with this."
- "If it was Cleveland State, Sacramento State, even Arizona State...How's Rick Pitino still head coach? I just have a set ethics, that's all."