What do we expect from Tre Demps?

[DaCat]

Tre has been in a shooting slump recently. I thought he would be scoring at a 18-20 points per game clip in his senior season, but he has been struggling. We know that he's a gym rat and will work his butt off to get back in the groove. I think it is a matter of time before he explodes and goes on a hot streak. Here's hoping he begins by going off on dOSU.

 

[DC Cats]

IMO, Tre is at his best when he's slashing to the rim for easy layups. He's at his worst when he dribbles around the perimeter and throws up 3s with guys in his face, especially if one of our bigs isn't under the basket for a possible rebound. It's obviously fine if he's shooting from downtown, but I feel his shot selection this season has been worse than last year. We have four very strong outside shooters in BMac, Tap, Falzon, and Lindsey. If there isn't a lane to drive, someone open under the basket, or a wide open look, he needs to keep the ball moving.

Tre is a good enough shooter that he won't stay in a slump if he's only taking layups and wide open shots. I believe we saw that kind of play consistently late last season, so I know he's capable of it. I also have a lot of faith in our coaches, so I have a feeling it'll be something that improves.

 

[willycat]

IMO, Tre is at his best when he's slashing to the rim for easy layups. He's at his worst when he dribbles around the perimeter and throws up 3s with guys in his face, especially if one of our bigs isn't under the basket for a possible rebound. It's obviously fine if he's shooting from downtown, but I feel his shot selection this season has been worse than last year. We have four very strong outside shooters in BMac, Tap, Falzon, and Lindsey. If there isn't a lane to drive, someone open under the basket, or a wide open look, he needs to keep the ball moving.

Tre is a good enough shooter that he won't stay in a slump if he's only taking layups and wide open shots. I believe we saw that kind of play consistently late last season, so I know he's capable of it. I also have a lot of faith in our coaches, so I have a feeling it'll be something that improves.

Actually I think that Tre is a better outside shooter then all of above, except maybe Falzone. Certainly better then Taphorn and Lindsey.

 

[Fitz51]

I expect a good number of missed shots. I hope for a good number of made shots to accompany them.

 

[DC Cats]

Don't get me wrong, I think Tre is as good of a shooter as any of the guys I listed. I just think his 3-pt shot selection has generally been worse this season than all but Falzon (at times).

 

[hdhntr1]

IMO, Tre is at his best when he's slashing to the rim for easy layups. He's at his worst when he dribbles around the perimeter and throws up 3s with guys in his face, especially if one of our bigs isn't under the basket for a possible rebound. It's obviously fine if he's shooting from downtown, but I feel his shot selection this season has been worse than last year. We have four very strong outside shooters in BMac, Tap, Falzon, and Lindsey. If there isn't a lane to drive, someone open under the basket, or a wide open look, he needs to keep the ball moving.

Tre is a good enough shooter that he won't stay in a slump if he's only taking layups and wide open shots. I believe we saw that kind of play consistently late last season, so I know he's capable of it. I also have a lot of faith in our coaches, so I have a feeling it'll be something that improves.

That is just it. I have not seen that he is really that good a shooter. He makes some unbelievable shots and at the end of the game, he can get free enough to take a shot but he is not that good a shooter. For his career he shoots under 40% and this year he is shooting about the same (little better last year at about 42% and this year back at 39%. But he is taking a lot more shots (about 14.4 vs 11 last year and 10 the year before) He is trying too hard. The frustrating thing is he could be so much more valuable if he looked to dish more often rather than taking those ill advised shots.

 

[hdhntr1]

Actually I think that Tre is a better outside shooter then all of above, except maybe Falzone. Certainly better then Taphorn and Lindsey.

Hes career average is 34% from three and this year 32%. Even at 34% it is less than any of the guys listed including Falzon (38% which is above Demps highest average)

 

[T_Levine]

His style is more dramatic than smooth. All those last second baskets make him seem bigger and better than he really is.

I would have a hard time putting him in the top 50-75 guards in the country. Not enough consistency, he doesnt excel in any area, passing, shooting, defense, floor control. he isnt great or outstanding in any category.

Id be happy with average or even slightly below average defense if he was a 50% shooter AND 18 point per game scorer.

He does the best with the skills he has

 

[Sec_112]

Good question!!!

I've never thought Demps would be an 18-20 ppg guy, so that doesn't bug me. It's more about the nuance of his game that drives me batty.

Simply put: this team (... any team) cannot have the player with the most three-point attempts shooting 32%, and even less in two conference games. I know there's a certain amount of denial "shooters" must have on an off-day, but he's not that good. I believe he's only had three games this season shooting more than 40% from 3. He needs some self-awareness when his game is off, and it needs to come with some common sense. (Did he lead a 1-on-3 fast break once or twice against Maryland?)

He also needs to look for teammates MUCH more often and control his game, especially when he's one of the two players the last two defenses have keyed on. He's not a big enough or strong enough player to constantly put his head down and bang his way to the basket throughout a game. Everybody in the building can seeing coming.

But alas, this is our friend, Tre. This is his game, and there's not much behind him.

 

[hdhntr1]

Don't get me wrong, I think Tre is as good of a shooter as any of the guys I listed. I just think his 3-pt shot selection has generally been worse this season than all but Falzon (at times).

Tre is the worst shooter of the bunch. He is averaging 32% from 3 and his career average is about 34%. Tap is averaging 40%, Lindsey is 44% and Falzone is 38% from 3 this year. I will agree that his shot selection has been poorer this year as he has upped his shots per game by about 30%. He needs to pass more to guys that are actually open rather than forcing the shot

 

[hdhntr1]

Good question!!!

I've never thought Demps would be an 18-20 ppg guy, so that doesn't bug me. It's more about the nuance of his game that drives me batty.

Simply put: this team (... any team) cannot have the player with the most three-point attempts shooting 32%, and even less in two conference games. I know there's a certain amount of denial "shooters" must have on an off-day, but he's not that good. I believe he's only had three games this season shooting more than 40% from 3. He needs some self-awareness when his game is off, and it needs to come with some common sense. (Did he lead a 1-on-3 fast break once or twice against Maryland?)

He also needs to look for teammates MUCH more often and control his game, especially when he's one of the two players the last two defenses have keyed on. He's not a big enough or strong enough player to constantly put his head down and bang his way to the basket throughout a game. Everybody in the building can seeing coming.

But alas, this is our friend, Tre. This is his game, and there's not much behind him.

Up till now he has offered athleticism that this team has needed . He should be passing a lot more and taking fewer shots. He is just not good enough to take about 15 shots per game. Next year should be interesting as guys like Lindsey, Ash, Brown and Law get his minutes.

 

[Jarvis_Liquors]

Tre has been in a shooting slump recently. I thought he would be scoring at a 18-20 points per game clip in his senior season, but he has been struggling. We know that he's a gym rat and will work his butt off to get back in the groove. I think it is a matter of time before he explodes and goes on a hot streak. Here's hoping he begins by going off on dOSU.

Although I'm in the camp that Tre is the reverse Will Rogers in that he seems to have never met a pass that he liked, I agree 100% with this post. He wants it. And he'll work for it. And I am confident he'll get out of his slump. But they always say the best way to get out of a slump is to let the game come to you. That's not his playing persona. He comes to the game. So this is a tough call as to when he'll break out of it.

Personally, I'd like to see him look to pass first out of the high post pick and roll. What's the point of the high post pick and roll if a quick pass to the roller isn't even on the table?

 

[olsh]

A lot of shots, very few passes. Because of that, I hope at least 40 percent of the shots go in. But he shouldn't be taking such a high percentage of our shots anymore.

 

[Alan Smithee_rivals156293]

What do we expect from Tre Demps?

More of the same.

 

[olsh]

At this point, it is what it is.

 

[Kelly_32_rivals]

At what point do we start blaming his wife?

I'm kidding.

 

[olsh]

At what point do we start blaming his wife?

I'm kidding.

I'm a bad person because I laughed. But I'm not a Packers fan, so I won't do that.

 

[Medill90]

A lot of shots, very few passes. Because of that, I hope at least 40 percent of the shots go in. But he shouldn't be taking such a high percentage of our shots anymore.

On about a fourth of his dribble drive shots he draws a defender or two which opens up a teammate. But he rarely passes. Which is why he had zero assists.

It's difficult to watch because no one on the team works harder.

Seems like the book in the Big Ten is you shut down Tre and BMac, you win.

 

[Dugan15]

Come on guys! Tre is one "Tre" game away from passing Jitim Young, Frank Ehmann, Rod Roberson AND Vedran Vukusic on a career list. OK, so it is field goal attempts. Now, less than 39% for career FG%. Ouch.

 

[olsh]

On about a fourth of his dribble drive shots he draws a defender or two which opens up a teammate. But he rarely passes. Which is why he had zero assists.

It's difficult to watch because no one on the team works harder.

Seems like the book in the Big Ten is you shut down Tre and BMac, you win.

It is NOT at all about effort with Tre ... but I think that makes it more frustrating.

And it IS absolutely amazing that given the number of good looks he COULD be creating for his teammates, that he has 0 assists the last two games.

 

[TejasCat]

Even Collins recognized in the presser that Demps was forcing shots and missing open teammates. Then why doesn't he put him on the bench for extended breaks?!?!? Demps played the whole first half, but sat out for a few minutes with 17 to go in the game. We went on a 4-0 run (Taphorn missed 2 FT's), then he puts Demps back in at the 15 min mark.

Demps has regressed to the Tre Demps from 2 years ago. He is hurting his team. He gives 100% out there, but the coach has to sit him when he is contributing nothing. His shot was off, and he doesn't pass. So whats the point of having him out there? I know he is one of the few guys that can create shots and penetrate, but he isn't looking for his teammates.

We have been exposed by these long athletic defenses, hopefully Collins will game plan something to get open shots. I thought we got some good open shots in the first half, just couldn't make anything from 3. The 2nd half was just awful. It was run the shot clock to 10, and then let BMac or Tre force something.

 

[NJCat83588]

Even Collins recognized in the presser that Demps was forcing shots and missing open teammates. Then why doesn't he put him on the bench for extended breaks?!?!?

The only other guard he has available is Lindsey. Ash is still recovering fro his staph infection in his leg, per Collins in the same presser. Frankly, Scottie is struggling just as much as Tre. NU has just 9 scholarship players healthy right now: 3 Guards, 2 Centers and 4 Forwards. It is going to be a struggle the rest of the season.

 

[Wrestlerneverdiesasacatfan]

I'd like to see more Ash than Demps,but that won't happen. Taphorn has a better shot than Lindsey or Demps. McIntosh looked good from three point land,but had too many turnovers.

 

[hdhntr1]

Even Collins recognized in the presser that Demps was forcing shots and missing open teammates. Then why doesn't he put him on the bench for extended breaks?!?!? Demps played the whole first half, but sat out for a few minutes with 17 to go in the game. We went on a 4-0 run (Taphorn missed 2 FT's), then he puts Demps back in at the 15 min mark.

Demps has regressed to the Tre Demps from 2 years ago. He is hurting his team. He gives 100% out there, but the coach has to sit him when he is contributing nothing. His shot was off, and he doesn't pass. So whats the point of having him out there? I know he is one of the few guys that can create shots and penetrate, but he isn't looking for his teammates.

We have been exposed by these long athletic defenses, hopefully Collins will game plan something to get open shots. I thought we got some good open shots in the first half, just couldn't make anything from 3. The 2nd half was just awful. It was run the shot clock to 10, and then let BMac or Tre force something.

He was finally sat after that ridiculous intentional foul

 

[hdhntr1]

The only other guard he has available is Lindsey. Ash is still recovering fro his staph infection in his leg, per Collins in the same presser. Frankly, Scottie is struggling just as much as Tre. NU has just 9 scholarship players healthy right now: 3 Guards, 2 Centers and 4 Forwards. It is going to be a struggle the rest of the season.

The two quick fouls on Lindsey hurt a lot.

 

[DaCat]

I'm hoping to see Tre heat up and drain those threes like he was doing at the start of the Virginia Tech game. His shots early in the game against dOSU looked like they would go in but were off slightly. Then he started to force the shots and it got worse.

At this point, would it make sense to bring him off the bench like he was doing 2 years ago? Maybe start Scottie. Collins needs to change it up so that Tre is not pressing so much.

 

[NJCat83588]

At this point, would it make sense to bring him off the bench like he was doing 2 years ago? Maybe start Scottie. Collins needs to change it up so that Tre is not pressing so much.

Would not be surprised to see this on Saturday. Collins wants him to relax and maybe coming off the bench with Pardon at the 16:00 mark would help. It's worth a try.

 

[Turk_rivals223269]

Tre has been in a shooting slump recently. I thought he would be scoring at a 18-20 points per game clip in his senior season, but he has been struggling. We know that he's a gym rat and will work his butt off to get back in the groove. I think it is a matter of time before he explodes and goes on a hot streak. Here's hoping he begins by going off on dOSU.

finally after about 100 pollyanna post from you, i actually find myself agreeing to the post above. This board is a joke when it suggest collins needs to bench demps.

Demps is our bread and butter, and will be fine. We have a very talented team that is more athletic than any ive seen in purple.

Osu has won 7 games in a row including beating kentucky and every bigten team it has faced. Its playing better basketball than any team in the country over this span. We gave them a good run.

Basically our 3 losses have been to "top 10" teams...which OSU will be.

 

[NJCat83588]

Basically our 3 losses have been to "top 10" teams...which OSU will be.

Funny! OSU will never sniff the top 10 this season. Their FT shooting by their guards will cost them a couple of close games.

 

[thewildcat2011]

Funny! OSU will never sniff the top 10 this season. Their FT shooting by their guards will cost them a couple of close games.

+1. Don't know what Turk was watching but that was a pretty bad OSU team...if we hit some open looks in the first half, I don't think the game is even close. They will get run out of the gym against the upper tier of the league.

 

[Turk_rivals223269]

+1. Don't know what Turk was watching but that was a pretty bad OSU team...if we hit some open looks in the first half, I don't think the game is even close. They will get run out of the gym against the upper tier of the league.

give our team some credit. Our team is good. And OSU is very good. You dont win 7 in a row , including road wins at kentucky and two big ten teams.

 

[Alan Smithee_rivals156293]

If that's a good OSU team, they played very poorly last night. Unfortunately we resolutely out-stunk them.

 

[thewildcat2011]

give our team some credit. Our team is good. And OSU is very good. You dont win 7 in a row , including road wins at kentucky and two big ten teams.

Our team is fine. OSU is not very good. I actually think we are a better team as it stands than they are, but we played very, very poorly.

They will be a bubble NCAA team at best and should have been an easy home win for us if we had played well, or were an NCAA-type team that can win when they are playing poorly. OSU's B1G wins are against Illinois, Minny, and NU...NU is their only conference road win.

Yesterday was very bad news for our NCAA hopes, and we better return the favor in Columbus if we want a chance.

 

[DaCat]

We had an off night. I don't think we can shoot any worse from the 3-point line.

 

[NJCat83588]

I don't think we can shoot any worse from the 3-point line.

Came close against MD though.......

 

[Wrestlerneverdiesasacatfan]

He was finally sat after that ridiculous intentional foul

Ash needs to play more instead of Demps! Demps has been abysmal lately. Let Ash shine out there. Kid is quick!

 

[NJCat83588]

Ash needs to play more instead of Demps! Demps has been abysmal lately. Let Ash shine out there. Kid is quick!

Kid is also recovering from a staph infection in his leg and can't play!!! Sheesh.....

 

[DaCat]

Let's dress Ben Johnson. The linebacker, not the kid who transferred.

 

[hdhntr1]

+1. Don't know what Turk was watching but that was a pretty bad OSU team...if we hit some open looks in the first half, I don't think the game is even close. They will get run out of the gym against the upper tier of the league.

It is a pretty young team and they are getting better.

 

[thewildcat2011]

It is a pretty young team and they are getting better.

I agree, but as it stands they are not a good team. Not sure why that would be hard to see for anyone who has watched a decent amount of college basketball. They'll win some they shouldn't because they are talented, they'll lose some they shouldn't because they are young and incomplete.

If our team was where a lot of people thought they were, we should have beaten them even w/o Olah.