I want a defense where it's not a surprise to get a stop. How we get there doesn't really matter to me.
What do you want to see happen on the defensive side of the ball next season?
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If you think a lack of "talented d-linemen" is the problem you should take a glance back at what Stoops did with Bud and Za'Darius..even with those guys Stoops' defense couldn't get a pass rush or slow down the run..that should tell you all you need to know..Stoops and Eliot think they're back at Florida State playing against Wake Forest every week
It never ceases to amaze me at how the cutback kills us game after game after game. Our guys perpetually refuse to stay home, getting sucked in or go chasing a play only to get burned when the runner switches field. Not sure if it's a scheme thing or coaching, but I can still hear my high school coach screaming "Stay Home!" or "Stay in your lane".
Our line backers are not very good. I would say the DL has actually played better than I thought. Most of the big gains have been terrible LBer support, outside LBers have played average. I mean the LBers are not filling from inside to out, getting caught up in the trash, some of OLBers have been reached blocked.
I don't think the young kid Kash is going to be a great ILB in the SEC, he has instincts but not fast enough. He might need to move to OLBer and be a guy who has his hand on ground. No way can he cover, he has MLB instincts but unless he improves his speed 2 steps than no way it will work..
I watched Vanderbilt, they are damn good on defense and better coached than us. They have tremendous team defensive speed.
Love and Jones both made 2 bad plays against Ap that they got caught up in wash. Doesn't look disciplined or natural at that position. Some times like a QB, you are born with those instincts.
I don't think the young kid Kash is going to be a great ILB in the SEC, he has instincts but not fast enough. He might need to move to OLBer and be a guy who has his hand on ground. No way can he cover, he has MLB instincts but unless he improves his speed 2 steps than no way it will work..
I watched Vanderbilt, they are damn good on defense and better coached than us. They have tremendous team defensive speed.
Love and Jones both made 2 bad plays against Ap that they got caught up in wash. Doesn't look disciplined or natural at that position. Some times like a QB, you are born with those instincts.
I agree. I fail to understand the over pursuing, failure to maintain leverage on the ball, and often terrible angles of pursuit. More time needs to be spent on fundamental principles of defensive football. Extreme backside players never seem to close off field from behind flow, but instead always want to work to cut off flow downfield. You can be sure offensive coaches tell their charges, "reversing field on these guys will often pay off with paydirt." Most sickening is the over commitment in space, trying to deal with the likes of Lamar Jackson or similar... just stay in front of the ball carrier! String it out, wait for help from the sidelines or pursuit from inside. We have kids out there looking unschooled way too often.
You know the answer to that just as you must know by now that I don't rag on our coaches or players on a public forum.
You also must know that Stoops is loyal to a fault. I certainly hope it's not his undoing. Were I involved with the staff, at the very least I would give counsel to have a 3-4 workshop with some coaches/staffs who are doing more with less.
I can see your stance on staying away from that level on debate on public forums....but you tend to talk down on public forums to those that question our coaching results when you just sort of stated there may be some legit pitfalls in our defensive coaching decision making. You sort of can't have it both ways at times.
Whatever. I don't know how else I could express my thoughts in a tactful manner on the subject. Perhaps you could help.
Vanderbilt does NOT have less talent thend us on defense. Mason is playing with the last two years of Franklin recruits as RS juniors and seniors. Many of those guys were highly to above average to ranked wit big time offers
Need to target a new DC. Go after Pelini or Strong, as mentioned above. Pay top dollar for them.
If that doesn't work, look for a high level DC from either the FCS ranks, or from a team like Western Michigan.
That, or like somebody said, take a shot on Ansley or something.
If that doesn't work, look for a high level DC from either the FCS ranks, or from a team like Western Michigan.
That, or like somebody said, take a shot on Ansley or something.
To continue to see the line of reasoning that our D not measuring up to Vandy's D is a sign of how bad our coaches are is tired and inaccurate.
Not only is,Vandy currently starting a high number of highly recruited players from the Franklin era...the players in question are almost all 4th and 5th year players. They start 8 RS Jr's and RS Sr's on defense. And the remaining 3 are Juniors. Huge difference from our D that is Sophmore dominated with 2 of our 3 Dlinemen being 1st and 2nd year jucos.
That said, my wish list on D for next year would be an influx of high level Juco and high school talent on the Dline that can add depth and explosiveness immediately
Absolutely agree, in year four, it is beyond ridiculous to expect our defense to hold New Mex State, Florida, Tennessee, or Southern Miss to less than 40 points. And sure Austin Peay ran for almost 300 yards, but their offensive line had some juniors and seniors, against our young and inexperienced SEC scholarship athletes. Besides, their little running back was just converted from WR about a month ago, so he had fresh legs.
I mean . . . . I just don't know what games some of these posters are watching . . .
Why would Strong take a DC job here or anywhere else next year? According to earlier reports it would cost him like $2.5M to do so.
Absolutely agree, in year four, it is beyond ridiculous to expect our defense to hold New Mex State, Florida, Tennessee, or Southern Miss to less than 40 points. And sure Austin Peay ran for almost 300 yards, but their offensive line had some juniors and seniors, against our young and inexperienced SEC scholarship athletes. Besides, their little running back was just converted from WR about a month ago, so he had fresh legs.
I mean . . . . I just don't know what games some of these posters are watching . . .
What does anything you just said have to do with comparing our teams D to Vandy with the theme that we suck if our D isn't better than There's?
The "year four" BS is old.
Actually look at the players we have on the field. 3 sophmores starting in back 4. 3 of 4 Linebackers are sophmores with the fourth guy being a Junior transfer and first time starter. And 1 sophmore on Dline with 1 Juco junior and 1 Juco Sr....and, oh yeah, ALL 3 first year starters. So try pulling your head from your butt and look at the facts.
Does that mean the coaches and defense should get a pass for the nonsense we saw against Southern Miss, New Mexico St, and the 1st couple series again Austin Peay...absolutely not. What Elliot produced the first two games of the season rein forced beyond a shadow of a doubt he is in over his head as a play caller and personal manager. But bottom line is there are still legitimate experience and talent reasons for us to struggle with better teams