No but the schools are signing contracts with agent companies to work with players. Read the thread that is on this board.
What exactly is WVU on the hook for?
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Some of the deals AD's give coaches, especially with buyout terms....almost, makes me think they are getting something on the back end from the agents.
But then I remind myself that folks are honest and wouldn't do something like that...
But then I remind myself that folks are honest and wouldn't do something like that...
Extensions should be given with the option of cutting coaching staff pay or buyout for a poor season.
They turned extensions into formalities and use the lie that it effects recruiting as a way to skim through it...
Pretty sure its all theater.
Lol you are a naive fool if you don’t think WVU can buy players regardless of whoever’s name is on the check.
Coach Brown coached Troy to 3 consecutive 10 win seasons, so yes the guy can coach players to wins. Larry Coker, Gene Chizik, and Ed Orgeron coached loaded teams to national titles, that doesn’t make them good coaches. For the record I don’t think Neal is a great coach, but he’s good enough on the field and a decent human off of it, which is all this new era calls for.
If we buyout Neal, where does that money come from? Probably donors. So WVU should tell the donors to keep that check and give them a list of QB targets to use it on instead.
Your emphasis on who the coach of the team is, is of the old world and now wrong. The name of the game is getting players. It actually was the name of the game before NIL became legal, but to your point, the head coach and his level of charisma was usually the driving force behind getting good players. Now it’s primarily money driven, which means who the coach is, is not nearly as important as it once was. We don’t need the cool hip young coach who can go viral on TikTok. We simply need a guy to run practices and manage games, with recruiting up to a scouting department and a booster club that can legally get the money to the talent.
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Shouldn't you be on the Va. Tech board since they fired your coach.“Decent human off the field”
You inbred Hokie fan.
Guys...if universities didnt actually want to pay these coaches the buyouts, they wouldn't have negotiated them into the contracts..
It's all theater. Its a big pool of cash they need to move.
It's all theater. Its a big pool of cash they need to move.
Why do AD's negotiate huge buyouts when basically all HC's get fired?
If you have a great coach you can just add money to them as it goes..
Its fake
If you have a great coach you can just add money to them as it goes..
Its fake
The buyouts go both ways. If WVU fires NB early they have to give him a bunch of money but OTOH if NB takes another job early then he has to give WVU a bunch of money. It's been this way for awhile. Remember RR trying to weasel out of paying WVU $3 million?
College football is a TV show...its vintage WWF
WVU is Jake the Snake..
Everyone loves Jake but Vince (ESPN) isn't putting the belt on him (WVU).
WVU is Jake the Snake..
Everyone loves Jake but Vince (ESPN) isn't putting the belt on him (WVU).
It didn't matter in the sense that it didn't prevent him from leaving if he really wanted to leave, but it mattered in the sense that it got paid.
If WVU fires a coach before the end of the contract, WVU has to fork over money.
If a WVU coach leaves before the end of the contract, the WVU coach has to fork over money.
In the more cosmic sense I think the buyout with RR mattered a lot because him trying to weasel out of it made that situation much more messy and UM end up paying like $2 million of it for him and all that stuff got him off on the wrong foot at UM.
You are the naive fool. Players are free to make deals with other entities, not with the school. Now I'm sure some schools have boosters that happen to run businesses and they kind of work together to get players that NIL money. WVU most assuredly does too and they are still never getting a QB that Ohio State, Alabama or a host of other schools want. None of that has anything to do with whether a coach can coach.
Neal Brown has NOT won at the P5 level as a HC against tough competition as in the BIG 12. He won at a lower level G5 level. The Sun Belt he coached in was NOT comparable to the BIG 12.
VT just let their coach go and last I checked, the ACC payouts at VT have been lower considerably than WVUs BIG 12 payouts, and WVU was often above VT in revenues the last several years too. That's where the money will have to come from unless some booster(s) decide to pay it--that's up to WVU not me. You are ASSUMING they don't have any sort of revenue structure to pay a buyout. It simply is not sustainable to keep a coach that has not demonstrated an ability to do what he is hired to do--win more than the previous coaching staff which people like you felt was not a successful or acceptable level of winning. Yet now you wan't to retain a loser that looks to be leading WVU to three straight losing regular seasons? Why would you WANT to retain a losing coach when you didn't want to retain a coach winning at a clip of 8 wins per season (better than the WVU historical average) and against the toughest WVU schedules ever?
Your emphasis on retaining Brown at all costs doesn't make any sense. Obviously coaching is a MAJOR component of team success or you wouldn't see so many schools letting coaches go. The present coach at WVU is not performing what he was hired to do. Don't know why you refuse to accept that. I mean, are you really going to feel better if WVU has 5 or 6 straight losing seasons in a row and falls completely off the national radar and more importantly REALIGNMENT radar? Cause that is exactly what is happening RIGHT NOW. There has been no sign of any improvement in any area--everything is worse than previous staff accomplishments or a few areas are the same (defense for example--still blown out in some games, still give up enough to lose in closer games). Honestly though, what does endless retention get you at WVU? There is no reason 3 years in to expect any different outcomes going forward and WVU cannot afford several more years to get to one winning season.
BIG 12- P5 conference
Sun Belt- not
Browns record at WVU against P5 teams:
11-17
I dont need to rethink anything, but you need to admit how absolutely wrong you were and are in your blind defense of Brown
Make up some more stories, you might make the stage. Brown is here 2 more years. Perhaps he gives you a stroke.
Beat Iowa State, K. State 2, TCU 3, Baylor 1 all 4 teams you claimed we would never beat. 2 were even ranked. Clobbered NC State a team you claimed would slaughter WVU. You just made the statement he can't compete or beat P5 teams yet he has.
You should go back to school and get your diploma. You can wear a mask liberal.
What was Holgorsen's record against ranked teams at wvu? What was Holgorsen's record in Bowl games? What was Holgorsen's best Final season ranking with a team that he recruited? Give you a hint they all suck
Holgorsen beat many ranked teams at WVU and he faced more highly ranked teams than any coach EVER at WVU. He had to take an underrecruited team built for a weaker Big East and go up against schools that had more resources, less travel and completely unfamiliar to WVUs players and most coaches.
yet he won. Better than every coach save one. You and others hated him for doing so and now you love someone that has failed tenfold compared to Holgorsens worst failings and hasnt sniffed his successes.
Makes no sense. DH has been gone for years and Browns failings have nothing to do with him. Brown has his own two feet to stand on. And he isnt getting it done.
Paragraph 1 - Lol you call me a naive fool and then say that I am probably right on WVU and NIL… um what?
Paragraph 2 - I know he hasn’t won at the P5 level. The point is elite talent elevates coaching more so than elite coaching elevates talent, and elite talent is much more attainable if we are willing to play the NIL game.
Paragraph 3 - I’m not concerned with what VT and other programs are doing. It’s time to be forward thinking and sell out for players, not coaches.
Paragraph 4 - My emphasis is not on retaining Brown at all costs, you have to get past that, I am not denying that Brown has undeniably failed through 3 seasons. My point is, in a world where Ohio State just gave a QB $1 million without ever playing a snap, then we can do a lot better with the $5 million it would cost to buy out Brown. I mean do you really think a coach could scheme an offense built around Doege to win more than 5 conference games in the Big XII? The issue with the team is primarily personnel, so we should be allocating resources to buying players, not treading water with crapshoot coaches with enormous buyouts. Baylor has done it and has seen solid results across 3 different coaching staffs. You are so certain we will lose with Brown no matter what… lol I mean I can guarantee if we lured an elite dual threat QB to WVU with a $5m NIL deal we would be winning atleast at the same rate we were with DH.
So what was his record against ranked teams? You're avoiding the question because his record against ranked teams sucks. Just like his bowl record. He ran wvu into the ground and should have been fired years ago for his terrible loss record at wvu.
Why do you keep bringing up Holgorsens records? He won exactly ONE less game against ranked opponents than Rich Rodriguez - 10-9, but Holgorsen faced 7 more ranked teams and more highly ranked teams. Holgorsen was beating Clemson, OK State, Texas, good ISU, Baylor and other teams while RRs came against the likes of Pitt, Rutgers, Louisville, UConn etc. with an outsider Georgia in there.
You keep trying to deflect to the second winningest coach in WVU history rather than addressing Browns abysmal WVU record. Why is that exactly? Holgorsen doesnt coach WVU- Neal Brown does. Do you even understand that?
You keep trying to deflect to the second winningest coach in WVU history rather than addressing Browns abysmal WVU record. Why is that exactly? Holgorsen doesnt coach WVU- Neal Brown does. Do you even understand that?
The point remains- Ohio State DID NOT give a QB 1 million $, someone else did.
All companies Im sure are welcomed to offer a QB $1 million to attend WVU- so far 0 have accepted such an offer. WVU itself cannot offer any such thing.
Coached more games than anyone but Nehlen who is- you guessed it, the coach who lost the most games ever for WVU- are you also bashing Nehlen? When you compare DH to other coaches with a similar number of games coached he won more than all.
Again stop running from the discussion of WVUs coach who has failed miserably - not Holgorsen but Neal Brown.
Dana record against ranked teams: Better than Brown.
It must hurt so much watching Houston win and Brown struggle to score 21 points against P5 competition. Bwahahahaha
Well said. This NIL is the FUTURE death of schools like WVU. This is what will finally cause the split of a few teams from the NCAA to start their own. Probably 32 to 40 teams will be involved.
Look at the schedule Holgorsen has played you loser. Houston would be a 4-5 win team at best in a power 5 conference. Holgorsen could only score 21 points against the only power 5 team he played. What is Holgorsen record all time against ranked teams? Get back to me when you figure it out fool.