In 2011-2012 we took a bloodbath from the NCAA and various institutions piling on Penn State for what was really a non-football/non-AD issue. The NCAA handed down a near death sentence, with ease. If this happened today, would we have just been able to go to court to fight the NCAA and of course win? At the time, on this forum there were all kinds of statements that we had no recourse, and the few attempts to use the court system seemed to product little to nothing.
What if the events of 2011-12 happened today?
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PSU could have fought this but instead they fired a few people and paid a lot of money hoping it would all go away. Peetz assured us that this would all be a distant memory.
The PSU-NCAA (& B1G) interactions from 2012 were purely kabuki theatre. They had already pre-written the script including that Paterno/Curly/Shultz/Spanier would be the scapegoats and that there would be sanctions.
The NCAA couldn't do that today, because the NCAA of 2024 is toothless. That said, the loss of teeth was absolutely enhanced by the NCAA getting involved in the PSU matter.
The B1G, whose role in that mess is entirely understated, would almost certainly proceed on a similar path.*
*Taking into consideration that two of the major influencers from the 2011/12 B1G/PSU Board Cabal have moved on and/or are deceased.
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I'd be more prepared for it. But it prepared me for other worse horrors. Very large lies.
It would have been fun to really care about football the last decade instead of being totally jaded and disgusted.
OSU would not be where they are today.
It would have been fun to really care about football the last decade instead of being totally jaded and disgusted.
OSU would not be where they are today.
2011-12 was completely orchestrated, including sanctions, by the the corrupt, home-grown PSU BOT terrorists…many with links to The Second Mile; which you will remember was conveniently never investigated.
With respect to what would happen today, well, Barron Museum, highest tuition in the Big10, massive debt….you make the call….
With respect to what would happen today, well, Barron Museum, highest tuition in the Big10, massive debt….you make the call….
If this came out today under the *same* circumstances (Joe as HC), I think there's a little more fight from Penn State. What we have the benefit now of is watching Miami, UNC, Michigan, OSU, Michigan State, etc. tell the NCAA to f*ck off (some paid $$$$, but none took a massive reputational or athletic hit). Now, let's say we have a new coach and Joe is dead, and this all comes out I think we end up in a much better place. There is no 'Joe Paterno' to take down from his pedestal and there is enough distance from the allegations to sort of say, 'Yeah, the allegations are horrible, but the football program has nothing to do with it - for the courts to handle, obviously (James Franklin would be saying this)'.
PSU Board and Admin still wouldn't have the cojenes to get in front of it and speak up, therefore the media circus would still be able to create whatever story they want because of the silence.
The NCAA was pretty toothless then. Penn State did this to themselves.
No argument, though that fact was less commonly known in 2012.
We’re just lucky to still have a university to contemplate what would happen today.
Or maybe we aren’t.
Or maybe we aren’t.
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Influential board members at the time were working in their own best interests instead of as fiduciaries of the university. For example, Frazier owed Corbett because of the ridiculously low (compared to other states) Vioxx settlement the state gave Merck. The majority of board members were sheeple (Anne Riley, et al) who were just happy to be there and did what they were told by the influential members. It was a massive failure of leadership by the 2011 BOT.
The American Corporate way. Screw a scapegoat, pay money, and make it go away.
Look at the FBI's 138.7M settlement with Nasser victims - they ignored complaints about Nasser for years that he was molesting gymnasts. So when they hang PSU for purportedly "covering up" for Sandusky look at the supposed most sophisticated criminal investigation agency in the world failures - wonder if they will be burned at the stale like PSU - I doubt it.
Michigan State shielded a pedophile who victimized their own athletes. Michigan shielded a pedophile who victimized their own athletes. PSU didn't shield anyone - the local DA investigated, the pedo's non-profit organization was notified of his behavior and the state's child welfare services attempted to investigate. Yet, Penn State is the pedo capital of the planet according to our own BOT. If it happened today, Paterno would be dead and the headlines wouldn't happen.
So easily forgotten with time is the gigantic role TSM played in all of this, yet was never acknowledged as a key player by the media.
TSM CEO Dr. Jack Raykovitz, a mandated reporter, testified in the Spanier trial that he was a proper reporting authority (Central Mtn. School went to him with its concerns), yet the fact that Curley went to Dr. Jack and informed him of what was reported, and Dr. Jack said to him 'if you think JS is a pedophile, you're crazy, tell him to wear swim trunks', was overlooked and the fallacy of non-reporting/covering up went ahead in the eyes of anyone not paying attention.
TSM had shredder trucks on site within hours of the reports - who knew what was in their files that would cause such a house-on-fire reaction? Well, Dr. Jack, his wife and CEO Executive Kitty Genovese (interesting last name), and possibly the numerous PSU BOT members, including billionaire Lubert, who also served on the TSM Board. Should probably mention the former Governor here as well, who knew what was being investigated but approved a huge grant of land to TSM anyway. Maybe he thought there would ultimately be nothing to the investigation? They certainly struggled to find anyone willing to testify to the worst of it until paydays were promised by our BOT 'leaders'. They even had to greatly embellish McQ's testimony to grab the needed attention. No one at TSM heard anything worth investigating about JS in all the years leading up to this? Maybe, maybe not; we don't know. If so, then we know that any coverup at all was on the hands of TSM, not PSU.
Personal vendettas by a couple key BOT members, worrying more about themselves than the reputation and welfare of PSU and the best goodwill asset any college athletic program ever had, became the #1 case study of the worst crisis response in recent history. And good men, with not a shred of ill intention, not the ones with glaring character flaws, paid the price on that side of the saga.
And ClownFreehForHire had to admit under oath that his assertion about any coverup or knowledge on the part of JVP was simply his opinion. They had no facts to back that up.
I‘m guilty of contributing to Penn State’s not culture problem because I cheered for Penn State Football. I’m such an a$$hole.
You seem like a good dude but your shtick is getting as worn out as Guy Fieri's and Chris Berman'sI‘m guilty of contributing to Penn State’s not culture problem because I cheered for Penn State Football. I’m such an a$$hole.
So much of this was about de-deifying and taking down Paterno; they got Nassar at MSU, but he's a nobody. No one at Michigan around to destroy either. I bet most average folks couldn't tell you either Michigan or MSU had sexual assault scandals or who was involved. We have Pedo Jerry on a national TV interview with Bob Costas and he says this:
BOB COSTAS:
Are you a pedophile?
JERRY SANDUSKY:
No.
BOB COSTAS:
Are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underage boys?
JERRY SANDUSKY:
Am I sexually attracted to underage boys?
BOB COSTAS:
Yes.
JERRY SANDUSKY:
Sexually attracted, you know, I enjoy young people. I love to be around them. But no I'm not sexually attracted to young boys.
