What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

[Johnson85]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

Sorry if this has already been covered, but I'm curious as to what people's opinions are.

I'm thinking it's consistently going 6-6, 7-5, with steady trips to Memphis and Birmingham, maybe Nashville. I would say winning the SEC Overall regular season in basketball is ~ = to winning SEC West in football, maybe not quite as good, just b/c it only takes one or two special players to really put a basketball team on the map, giving the lower budget schools a chance, where as football it's hard for one or two players to really shoot somebody over the top, unless maybe one of them is a qb.

Is that reasonable, or do I view competing in basketball as easier just because MSU has been able to do it?</p>

 

[Johnson85]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

Sorry if this has already been covered, but I'm curious as to what people's opinions are.

I'm thinking it's consistently going 6-6, 7-5, with steady trips to Memphis and Birmingham, maybe Nashville. I would say winning the SEC Overall regular season in basketball is ~ = to winning SEC West in football, maybe not quite as good, just b/c it only takes one or two special players to really put a basketball team on the map, giving the lower budget schools a chance, where as football it's hard for one or two players to really shoot somebody over the top, unless maybe one of them is a qb.

Is that reasonable, or do I view competing in basketball as easier just because MSU has been able to do it?</p>

 

[615dawg]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

Georgia has been a bowl team for how many years. They have that one SEC championship and went to a BCS bowl, but other than that - Independence, Music City, Outbacks, Chick-fil-A, etc.

We would be ecstatic with that for a few years, then we'd be wanting more. That's what has happened with our basketball program.

 

[8dog]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

strength of schedule is irrelevant in football. And bowl choices aren't merit based as a whole.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

I think it is in the locked thread about firing Stansbury.

 

[patdog]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

nm

 

[Curly Bill]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

or whatever they call the top bunch. Get your percentage. Then multiply that number by how ever many football teams there are in D1. Write that number down.

Now list the bowl games somewhat in order of importance. Whatever your number is from above, divide it by 2. Take that number and count the bowl games from top to that number. That's the bowl game equivalent by the numbers.

Of course, that's the low end, #65. You could probably go up to the next highest BCS conference tie-in bowl game, as a general estimate to weed out the crap bowls that sort of are the equivalent to tournament champs in basketball who get in at the end, like the SWAC and the 15/16 seeds. Too lazy to do the math, but I'm curious as to what bowl it'd turn out to be.

 

[dawgatUSM]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

Constantly recruiting well, while underachieving. It caught up with Bowden eventually, but I still think Stansbury is a few more mediocre seasons away.

 

[OEMDawg]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

You can't compare because MSU is not on the same recruiting level as the top teams in the SEC in football. Frustrating but true. That's not to say that we are incapable of winning the conference but it's a much steeper climb. In basketball, finding that one good player can make a world of difference and vault you to the top. With that being said, Stans the recruiter is not on the level of Kentucky and Florida, and he's been outrecruited in recent years by Bama and LSU. If Stans recruited an All American that actually suited up for his team it would be different but he hasn't since Mario Austin.

 

[RebelBruiser]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

The NCAA tourney is roughly the Top 15% of all teams when you consider the at large bids.

In football, the Top 20 in the nation are roughly the Top 15% of all teams.

I don't know if that's a fair comparison though. It's a little different obviously because it's easier to be in the tourney I think for a major conference program than it is to be Top 20 in football.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

in other words, what would get our football coach an automatic extension and raise is being used as ammunition to get our basketball coach fired.</p>

 

[goldeneye]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

i said this on BDJ. MSU basketball is similiar to kentucky football, consistently win and make small bowl games but are never really respected on a national level. Luckily for us , our basketball conference isnt as tough as football so we can still win a conference title every now and then but the truth of the matter, nobody outside of the SEC respects MSU because we have done nothing on the national level in years. But do you fire Rich Brooks, a coach who has led his team consistently to bowl games because you are ready for your team to take that next step and compete regularly with the big dogs in your conference or just enjoy mediocrity? If you ask a die hard Kentucky football fan, they dont believe they are in mediocrity but anyone outside of Ole Blue country will tell you differently.

 

[vhdawg]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

which is a trip even the most diehard USM fan thinks twice about taking.

 

[dawgstudent]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

I know SEC basketball in no way is equal to SEC Football but we are the 3rd best program statistically in the conference basketball speaking in the last 8-10 years. Kentucky is maybe the 9th best program in the SEC in football. To me, those things are not even close to being equal with our status in basketball being much greater.

Plus, 68 out of 120 teams play in a bowl game. That's over 50%. 65 out of 320?? teams play in the tournament. That's 25%.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

I would say:

Papa John's Bowl = NIT Final Four
Indy, Liberty = Making NCAA
Nashville = One and done
Cotton, Peach, Outback = Sweet 16
Capital One = Elite Eight
BCS Game = Final Four

Not sure where to slot the Gator Bowl in here yet but leaning toward Sweet 16, possibly Elite Eight.

 

[windcrysmary]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

are totally different animals..

we are dominant Nationally in football and we are not in hoops..

top to bottom that is...

look how teams football teams that make it to atlanta do in bowl games vs hoop teams who are ranked in the top 4 in the SEC do in the tourney...

we are not nearly as dominant in hoops as we are in football...

from top to bottom the word "dominant" should not even be used in SEC hoops

winning the SEC West or even the SEC tourney in hoops aint jack **** compared to sending your football team to Atl..

 

[SLUdog]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

which makes it pretty awesome.

 

[RebelBruiser]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

They put that in his contract obviously meaning traditional NYD bowls, but he got one for the PapaJohns.com simply because of the date it was held this year.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

 

[SLUdog]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

is....It's BCS and then everyone else. The Holiday Bowl was on Dec. 30 and had Nebraska (9-4, 6-3) and Arizona (8-4). Oh yeah, Nebraska almost won their conference championship. I'd say that match up was at least as good as U of Miss (8-4, 4-4) and Okie State (9-3, 5-3) in the "New Year's Day" Bowl.

 

[RebelBruiser]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

is....It's BCS and then everyone else. The Holiday Bowl was on Dec. 30 and had Nebraska (9-4, 6-3) and Arizona (8-4). Oh yeah, Nebraska almost won their conference championship. I'd say that match up was at least as good as U of Miss (8-4, 4-4) and Okie State (9-3, 5-3) in the "New Year's Day" Bowl.

The Holiday Bowl has always been one of the better non-BCS bowl games. It was never a NYD bowl back when Jan. 1 was the last day of the season, but the Holiday Bowl even then was always one of the top bowl games.

The Cotton Bowl does actually pick ahead of the Holiday Bowl in the Big 12 bowl pecking order though, getting the first pick after the BCS, though the Big 12 selection order is a little complicated. They have a tie in with the Gator Bowl too, but it's a tie in that only requires them to take a Big 12 team 2 out of every 4 years, and they have some odd way of incorporating the Gator when it does select a Big 12 team.

And no, it's not BCS and then everyone else when it comes to bowls. Whether you buy any specific designations, the Capital One Bowl, Cotton Bowl, and Holiday Bowl are not the same as the Independence Bowl, Liberty Bowl, and International Bowl. There are good non-BCS bowls, average ones, and weak ones.

 

[goldeneye]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

I know SEC basketball in no way is equal to SEC Football but we are the 3rd best program statistically in the conference basketball speaking in the last 8-10 years. Kentucky is maybe the 9th best program in the SEC in football. To me, those things are not even close to being equal with our status in basketball being much greater.

Plus, 68 out of 120 teams play in a bowl game. That's over 50%. 65 out of 320?? teams play in the tournament. That's 25%.

Its almost impossible to find a direct comparison with SEC football and basketball but this is my point: Most MSU fans right now , would be happy just going to a bowl game on the regular. But after doing that for 6-7 years straight, its going to get old and people will began to expect more. Kentucky's football fanbase seems to be okay with just making lower level bowls. I dont know any fans but Im guessing since they are hiring a head coach from within, they are okay with the results. The reason I compare UK foot to MSUbball is because people on a national level care about a SEC West division title like they care about the Papa John Bowl. They dont really care at all. UK fans deal with mediocrity in football because they are a basketball school. I think MSU fans are getting a little restless with our mediocrity in basketball because we pretty much suck at everything else right now. I understand that we are the 3rd best SEC school percentage wise over the last decade which is good and all but the SEC as an ENTIRE league has been down in basketball for a minute, even when Florida won 2 rings. Being the 3rd best SEC team in football could almost get you a BCS bowl. Being the 3rd best team in the SEC will get you an 8 sseed in the tournament these days. THe West divison titles are nice but no one outside of the SEC knows who wins them just like no one outside the ACC knows who wins the atlantic division.

 

[whatever.sixpack]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

When we do get to the tournament, which we do consistently, we normally make the second roud. So on average, I'd say we make the second rd of the tourney 1 out of every 2 years. The teams that get beat in the second round could be considered the 17-32 best teams in the nation.
So with that being said, we're consistently a top 20 or top 30 team, no matter what the RPI says.
That would be akin to a South Carolina type program in football, one that wins 7 or 8 games and alternates between the Outback Bowl/Independence Bowl. When we do that in football, people are jumping up and down. Our biggest bowl win of my lifetime is the damn Snow Bowl, which people still think is the greatest thing ever, when we do better than that consistently in basketball.

-Also, there are 347 teams in DI in basketball, so if we finish in the top 25 consistently, that puts us in the top 7% of all DI teams
-In football, there are about 117 teams, and I'd say we finish around 45-65 consistently, putting us around the 50th percentile range.

 

[Agentdog]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

Just making the NCAAs = making a lower tier bowl

Winning one NCAA game = making Liberty, Music, Independence

Sweet 16 = Peach, Cotton, PapaJohns

Elite 8 = Florida NYD Bowl

Final 4 = BCS

 

[RobbieRandolph]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

But maybe my new car would.

 

[Hanmudog]

What is the Football equivalent of going to the NCAA tourney each year but not advancing?

The SEC got 10 teams into bowl games and only 3 into the NCAA tournament this past year. It could be argued that it is tougher for an SEC basketball team to get in the tourney than it is for an SEC team to make a bowl.