What was wrong with Trump’s appearance at Liberty
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I dont agree with that story at all. Judgemental is judgemental. It is the most unappealing quality of the church people
Well, it seems to me, I could be wrong, that the church wasn't so political in the 70s. Billy Graham never got political, he was focused on winning the lost to Christ. His poor misguided son Franklin is a polar opposite, mostly everything he says is political. I used to be pretty faithful about attending church. The only time I plan to set foot in church again is for weddings and funerals.
I love how he panders to these people and they apparently aren't even aware. Talking about loving the christians and protecting them. Calling a verse from 2nd corinthians, "two corinthians". Talking about "the evangelicals". Cursing during his speech. He doesn't know how to speak their language. It's comically painful to watch him grovel. And they apparently fall for it hook, line and sinker. But it shouldn't surprise anyone since they also believe a lot of crazy ****....like the earth is 6000 years old and man and dinosaurs coexisted among many other wild things.
I'll bet their support for Trump is mostly because they don't want Hillary.
They (evangelicals) have no credibility any more. If they'll support an idiot like Cruz or Trump, they clearly don't want what is best for America or are not really voting based on Christian principles. They are voting solely based on political party. Aren't those the same people that attack Jimmy Carter?
They are voting for who carries their religious agenda and for many it comes down to just same sex marriage and abortion.
While I freely admit I'm a far bigger Trump "supporter" than I'll ever be for Cruz.......I'd almost assuredly cast my vote for Putin (and possibly even Hillary) before Cruz......he really did come off as borderline silly in that speech; Trump speaking at Falwell U makes about as much sense as Cruz at the Apollo Theatre.
It took awhile, but he finally unearthed a group equally as malcontent as himself who won't fall for his flavor of the day. If he's got any brains whatsoever, he'll sprint (not run) from people like THE and leave them to Cruz, and concentrate on everyone else (including Right-leaning Democrats). But it is fun to see Trump squirm a little bit. When he's trying to quote Bible-passages rather than poll numbers, you know he's been shaken.
What I find interesting about this situation is that Limbaugh.....at least according to the report I saw on TV this morning.......is beginning to oppose to Trump (or maybe he's been that way). I'm trying to figure out on who this backfires, as my personal impression is that the typical less-educated white Southern/Midwestern Republican male who represents the current core of Trump's support gets a decent percentage of his "news" from Limbaugh (and radio types like him).
Finally, I find myself wondering who counciled Trump to speak at Falwell U; IMO, that person(s) should be out of a job today. Regardless, I seriously doubt you'll see Trump anywhere near Central Virginia the rest of the way,.
It took awhile, but he finally unearthed a group equally as malcontent as himself who won't fall for his flavor of the day. If he's got any brains whatsoever, he'll sprint (not run) from people like THE and leave them to Cruz, and concentrate on everyone else (including Right-leaning Democrats). But it is fun to see Trump squirm a little bit. When he's trying to quote Bible-passages rather than poll numbers, you know he's been shaken.
What I find interesting about this situation is that Limbaugh.....at least according to the report I saw on TV this morning.......is beginning to oppose to Trump (or maybe he's been that way). I'm trying to figure out on who this backfires, as my personal impression is that the typical less-educated white Southern/Midwestern Republican male who represents the current core of Trump's support gets a decent percentage of his "news" from Limbaugh (and radio types like him).
Finally, I find myself wondering who counciled Trump to speak at Falwell U; IMO, that person(s) should be out of a job today. Regardless, I seriously doubt you'll see Trump anywhere near Central Virginia the rest of the way,.
Funny, I don't remember voicing my support for either one. No wait, I know I haven't. Remember, even though for myself I'm ultra conservative, I'm pretty much libertarian. The guy I most like is about to be thrown off the island. But none of them fit my ideals.
I don't thinks that's the case concerning the church of the 70's. But I agree the church should be Kingdom-focused and not kingdoms-focused. I think the church should have a voice in politics without being politico-centric.
I disagree. Christ was welcoming to all. At least that is true with the brand of Christianity that i practice. Politics by its nature is dividing. It makes people choose a side and with today's generation, most people can't favor a political position without demonizing the opposite. That is the problem with bible thumpers.
I guess I would say even with a cursory reading of the Gospels one could not help but notice Jesus is divisive, often found in arguments and disputes. Jesus is exclusive, saying one has to follow him and he is the only way to God. Jesus is a Bible-thumper. In a standard size and print Bible Jesus quotes the Old Testament about three times per page of Gospels.
The form of Christianity you seem to be advocating is foreign to the New Testament and history of the Christianity.
I would have to disagree Jesus did not preach that way at all. He welcomed everyone and was never exclusive. Most of his more negative comments were toward individuals who held themselves out to be Religious and morally better than others. Christ did preach a new idea that we should make the love of others are primary concern as opposed to constantly being judgmental. In addition he preached that we should do away with the old law. If Christians would be willing to follow the teachings and directions of Christ then that would solve, if not eliminate, multiple problems.
Turn the other cheek
Pray in secret
give to Caesar
Also foreign concepts to today's bible thumpers who love war and want to make a big show of their religion. Greedy too.
Who's brand is that?
I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.
But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you
No, and nothing I said would suggest it is foreign. However, do you really believe you should love your neighbor if you find he's a registered sex offender...a pedophile?
That's interesting, just not found in the Bible. For instance Jesus specifically said he did not come to do away with the Law. He did preach complete exclusivity. He preached loyalty to himself above all else. He preached very little of judgmentalism, and he preached nothing on the judgmentalism by the contemporary definition.
Did he not teach us that we all sin? I was taught not to be judgmental as that is also a sin. And yes you are implying it is foreign with your comments.
How are you with this one:
John 14:6- Jesus answered,“I am the way and the truth and the life.No one comes to the Father except through me.”
Or this one:
Luke 14:26- "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple."
How do you settle those verses in your Christian theology?
I'm not implying its foreign at all. I accept it as truth.
However, are you saying you can't judge whether or not pedophilia is wrong?
I for one try to practice turn the other cheek. Here fails much more than real life.
Pray in secret depends on motive. another verse says to pray everywhere. We are also commanded to tell the world. I report, you decide.
give to Caesar - you saying evangelicals don't pay their taxes? ??
Greedy too - No, Nowhere does the Bible say "Thou shalt give your money to the government to feed the hungry, cloth the naked, etc.".
Yes, that would be completely inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus...who threw the money changers out of the temple and fed the masses.
You do know that the money changing had handled by the local government and throwing the money changers out was throwing the government out of the Temple, right?
It would be inconsistent. The government is not showing the love of Christ. If I do it personally, I am.
Are you really this dense or just being obtuse since you find yourself talking out of both sides of your mouth?
Of course I have morals and pedophilia is wrong and immoral and a horrible crime. That is different than the teaching of being judgmental of others in the context of the bible and how i used it in my comments.
The Bible say to work to earn so that you can share with those in need. To the best of my knowledge, it does not require that to be done individually.
Actually, I think I'm being quite consistent.
So if I understand you correctly you would say you can love your neighbor without finding his behavior--past or present--acceptable. If that's what you're saying I agree. I would also say the Bible tells us what is right and wrong. And we are commanded to love not just our neighbors but our enemies as well. This does not mean we have to accept as good any behavior the Bible says is wrong.
The Bible does specifically say giving should not be under compulsion.