What's really going to be the decision.

[skysdad]

We've bee n discussing the UNC academic scandal for what seems forever now.Over time there's been speculation and predictions as to what the final decision will be from vacating national championships and victories to nothing at all. I would like to see what members of this board or Duke fans think personally will happen. I ask that UNC fans please refrain from posting on this thread. You have other places you can post and get all the support you need. This is just your honest opinion and when it will happen. Here's mine. I think the men's program will lose one scholarship possibly two for two years and probation for two years. I do think this is a light punishment
but I don't think the NCAA wants to tarnish the reputation of legends as well as one of the top basketball programs. They don't want to deal with the fall out, appeals and repercussions if a severe punishment were handed down. We're just gonna have to deal with it knowing that no matter that it did happen and everyone who knows anything about college basketball or college athletics knows that it's just not right and UNC nation will know they got off. Now the women's basketball program is another thing. That program is going to take the hit along with all the other scape goats and I'd imagine it's going to cost UNC a good deal of hush and turn the other cheek money. But it's always going to be there. The dirt that is swept under the rug. It still will be there and it still will be dirt. OFC

 

[Dad2ze]

I think they'll get hit hard. I think you'll see some wins vacated over the last 20 some years and possibly 2 banners coming down. I don't see how the NCAA can just turn a blind a eye to what has gone on at UNC. I think the latest incident showed the NCAA that UNC was not truthful and the could be hiding other things. i think they'll wait until seasons end to see what happens with Roy and then they'll drop the hammer if he gets fired. That way no other coach really takes the heat. I think all athletic programs mentioned will get some type of punishment and that both bball programs will suffer the most.

Go Duke and GTHC!!!

 

[topps coach]

I feel like Sky in that they will not be hit very hard.

 

[Crank_it_loud]

They won't get hit with either at all, or barely anything. Too much money involved.

 

[timo0402]

They'll lose a couple scholarships but that will be it and that won't do anything since hardly anyone uses all 13.

 

[hpnole]

Maybe they don't get hit hard , which would be travesty . How can they ever come down on any other school for cheating a lot less than 18 years. What might help the NCAA come down hard, hopefully, is the fact that there are two books out there. Hard to just sweep it under the rug with those. Other fact is , UNC did not come clean but continued to try and hide wrong doing. Maybe wishful thinking but I hope they get hit to the max.

 

[dukiejay]

Very little. They'll lose a couple scholarships for a few years and be handed some minor probations that mean nothing.

 

[DevilDJ]

The NCAA is in self-preservation mode. Pending litigation in which they are the defendants. unx's legacy , Dean , Roy...none of that is bigger. "Free labor" is not something this country is big on. If the NCAA doesn't take a stand to defend academics , there's no reason for 'em to exist. Wanna talk about money? Sure. The NCAA stands to lose gazillions if they can't justify their existence. Whose money is more important to Indy? Theirs or unx's? And I hope no one's foolish enough to think that the NCAA LOSES money if unx misses the post-season. They've missed it in the recent past and somehow everyone managed to make it without 'em. unx ain't bigger than the game and neither is any other school...Duke included. Anyway , were the litigation not in the future , I'd say wrist-slap. Given the circumstances ( and from what I've read from those claiming to have "inside" sources ) , unx won't get it and they KNOW it. At this point , it's a negotiation...with unx trying to make it manageable. I've mentioned this in the other thread , btw. Another thing...do ya spend 10 million PLUS if ya know you're innocent and can PROVE it? Do ya spend that much if ya expect the NCAA to go light? unx will get hit. Probably not what's warranted ( Death Penalty ) but a hit nonetheless. A post-season ban is a given. If unx ONLY gets a year they'll cheer. They'll ACT as if unjustly sanctioned but behind the scenes they'll party. Everyone's watching and other schools have been hammered for much less. Read those quotes in the other thread. Penalized schools are staying quiet...for now. I say 3-5 years is justified. unx gets 1 for sure maybe 2. Either way , Roy rides off into the sunset. The schollie reductions will come too. How many? 1 a year for length of the ban? 2? More? It's justified given the violations.The entire department is implicated so the probation should be lengthy. 3-5 years sounds about right...at least. Again , a bargain. unx should jump on it if offered. Millions in fines but unx can handle that.

 

[DiehardDukeFan4Life]

In the beginning I was one of the people that thought that UNCheat wouldn't get hit hard but then as more things came out I thought that they might get hammered really hard but as time has gone on, now I think it will be somewhere between them barely getting punished and them getting hammered pretty hard

 

[skysdad]

What ever the decision is it will become the standard. If UNC gets off to a light punishment it will open the gates for every program in the country to justify wrong doings. The NCAA better be careful with this one. It could change the integrity of college athletics forever. OFC

 

[OldasdirtDevil]

I think UNC (men's basketball) will get hit pretty hard (but as DevilDj said...not as much as deserved). Losing a scholly or 2 a year wouldn't even be hardly a punishment. There has to be something stiffer than that. At least a 1 year ban...maybe more. Vacated games and the loss of at least one banner is probably deserved, but is the NCAA willing to do that to UNC? I think it's possible, but probably not likely. No matter what they get everyone now knows that they're tainted, and the Carolina Way is dead. That stink isn't going to wash off for a long time...if ever.

OFC

 

[pisgah101]

Hopefully loss of a banner or two and post-season ban. Likely as little as possible

 

[JohnstonCDevil]

They won't get what they deserve! They will probably loose a scholarship or 2, which is basically nothing! Hope I'm wrong!

OFC

 

[CRAZIE4LIFE]

What Id like to know is how did Syracuse and SMU get punished so fast but UNC gets drug out with possibly little or nothing happining

 

[Dad2ze]

I know the NCAA returned the wins to Joe Pa but you previously punished the man who had zero knowledge and wasn't involved in the Sandusky incident. The NCAA sits here and doesn't know what to do. Like others have said, you do nothing now and the levees will break and college sports will be ruined forever.

 

[Anon1728003274]

DevilDJ on point as usual...At least a one year ban though much more deserved for 23 yrs of organized cheating....

 

[DevilDJ]

What Id like to know is how did Syracuse and SMU get punished so fast but UNC gets drug out with possibly little or nothing happining

Syracuse took 8 years....

http://www.syracuse.com/orangesport...line_of_ncaa_investigation_into_syracuse.html


SMU. According to this , "the case started in 2013." Not sure if that refers to the actual date an investigation began though...

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources...-commits-men-s-basketball-and-golf-violations

 

[DukeDenver]

DevilDJ on point as usual...At least a one year ban though much more deserved for 23 yrs of organized cheating....

No more meal plans for UNC power forwards sounds about right to me.

 

[DevilDJ]

From 2014....

And if there is no legitimate teaching, there is no educational mission. If there is no educational mission, there is no NCAA. That's why the association must come down hard.

It's time to reestablish faith in North Carolina, the NCAA and the educational mission. Some sport, somewhere needs to get the death penalty at UNC.

It won't happen, of course, for the same reasons the misconduct occurred in the first place. TV contracts have to be fulfilled. Arenas have to sell out.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...th-penalty-in-academic-fraud-case-but-it-wont

 

[hpnole]

What Id like to know is how did Syracuse and SMU get punished so fast but UNC gets drug out with possibly little or nothing happining

this is a damn good question...

 

[Anon1728003274]

Because good ol Bubba followed the hired guns advice to play 4C or stall ball and "self-admit" some violations to draw things out further...1st time ever such admission from the flagship to insure Roy gets one last chance at a natty before he exits...

Ol Roy will never sit on the sidelines for a post season ban... He cannot handle it...

 

[Dattier]

I have no clue. I've stopped paying attention, frankly. The older I get, the less I enjoy others' embarrassments, especially when it bleeds away from the field of play into actual life. In my time at Duke, there were very rewarding cooperative endeavors with UNC (I learned quickly to stay away from the get-togethers where we'd watch any rivalry games together -- you have to take sports way less seriously than I do to enjoy that ticking time bomb). I have tremendous respect for UNC academically and athletically, but where I have a "love to hate" relationship with the latter, there isn't even pretend hate for the former, and that the end result of this is likely that the academic reputation will suffer far more than the athletic dept, it saddens me.

 

[Anon1728003274]

Cannot say I respect them academically for allowing such shenanigans to penetrate the seams of higher learning for 2+ decades. "Academic AND Athletic" scandal...Per former NC SAG and UNC alum Rufus Edmisten on NC SPIN: "Its Outrageous."

 

[dbav]

I'm typically an optimist, but I think they'll skate. It's UNCheat. Somebody will find a way to let them off.

 

[QC Dukie]

I would almost be willing to bet the house that they get by with little or no punishment. Anyone else gets the hammer.

OFC

 

[topps coach]

unfortunately I agree with little or no punishment

 

[DevilDJ]

the end result of this is likely that the academic reputation will suffer far more than the athletic dept,

Speaks volumes that unx ( and their legion of delusional fans! ) actually PREFER this outcome to any sanctions/blame on athletics.

 

[Anon1728003274]

I hear they are negotiating like crazy to keep it OUT of COI's hands...Otherwise they are toast...

 

[skysdad]

I wish the decision would come down soon and get it over with. One thing I've observed him in Tar Heel County, North Carolina is UNC fans aren't talking about it at all. Not a single word have I heard since it was first brought to light and then the only comment I heard was the same from all Heel fan's and that being the standard "it happens everywhere or everybody does it." It's like nothing has happened. Mostly they were saying nothing until the football team had such a good year and hopes of a national basketball championship this year. One of the worst things that can happen is for them to win it in 2016. OFC

 

[Runningrams]

2-3 year post season ban for football, men's basketball.
3-4 year ban for women's basketball.
Lose 3-4 scholarships --men: 4-5 women, 8-10 football.
Vacated wins from 2002-2011 (up to and including the 2005 and 2009 titles in men's basketball.)
5-7 years probation.
DJ is correct. The NCAA is in a position of either saving themselves or UNC-Cheat. Who do you think they save?

 

[Anon1728003274]

Nice post RR...I think despite all the seemingly encompassing power of the UNC prescence from Chapel Hill to Conference office to ESPN, the flagship's luck has FINALLY run out.. The NCAA will cease to be nothing more than a token presence in college athletics if UNC MBB and FB skate.

It appears its nothing more than stall tactics for negotiation mode for lessening of punishment At this point...I think THE VERY BEST they can possibly hope for is a 1year postseason ban on MBB and FB at this point. The Fed will hang around until somebody picks him up, and is likely content w/his 7 yr extension to play things out. Roy will be out after this yr IMO, because he knows this is his last chance to leave w/blaze of glory. As sick as it would be to see them get a natty this yr, i feel the pain of losing his 1st banner will eat away at the man.Furthermore w/the controversial Naval Sciences class as a backdrop, 2009 looks pretty bleak too...
If you dont think UNC will get a fairly severe penalty think again. Remember their coaches are in damage control telling recruits "oh we're not affected by this..." You REALLY THINK THEY KNOW, when UNC PTB are throwing 10 mil around to make it go away???They are loading up because a heavy hit is expected and better pray the NCAA ruling does not include a proviso to allow affected recruits to transfer....
#RoyKnew
#DeanKnew
#DickieBKnew
#HoldenKnew
#TheyAllKnew

 

[dukiejay]

It'd be funny you all were correct, but I'm just not buying it. I maintain that virtually nothing --- besides some scholarship restrictions and wordy probation --- will happen to UNC.

 

[Anon1728003274]

DukieJay in all due respect if you have followed this from day one as closely as I have I shared those EXACT SAME SENTIMENTS MONTHS AGO...Too much has gone down since sir....

For instance I submit to you: There is NO DIFFERENCE btween Louisville's asst/Pitino association over those allegations vs the same Roy/Wayne Walden cover-up..,..

 

[hpnole]

2-3 year post season ban for football, men's basketball.
3-4 year ban for women's basketball.
Lose 3-4 scholarships --men: 4-5 women, 8-10 football.
Vacated wins from 2002-2011 (up to and including the 2005 and 2009 titles in men's basketball.)
5-7 years probation.
DJ is correct. The NCAA is in a position of either saving themselves or UNC-Cheat. Who do you think they save?

hope you are right

 

[dukiejay]

DukieJay in all due respect if you have followed this from day one as closely as I have I shared those EXACT SAME SENTIMENTS MONTHS AGO...Too much has gone down since sir....

For instance I submit to you: There is NO DIFFERENCE btween Louisville's asst/Pitino association over those allegations vs the same Roy/Wayne Walden cover-up..,..

Like I said....I want you to be right. But this is still the NCAA we're talking about. I have no faith in them whatsoever. I'd actually be quite shocked if the Heels are hit with anything meaningful....i.e., wins forfeited, postseason ban, loss of banners, etc.

 

[skysdad]

Like I said....I want you to be right. But this is still the NCAA we're talking about. I have no faith in them whatsoever. I'd actually be quite shocked if the Heels are hit with anything meaningful....i.e., wins forfeited, postseason ban, loss of banners, etc.

Here's what it's all about. This is not Louisville, Penn St., UK, SMU, Baylor, Syracuse, Southern Cal or any other program that has been hit hard. Let's not forget that these allegations happened way before HOF Coach Roy Williams arrived. Years before. There are legacy's and reputations that will not be tarnished no matter what. No banners will come down. No wins will be vacated. At the most as I stated in my post at the top of this thread will be a simple loss of scholarships and a possible probation will be delivered as a way of saying we punished them. It's not going to effect the men's program. The NCAA may throw a bone to pacify everyone by coming down on the women's BB program. Like dj stated I have no faith or confidence in the NCAA at all. If so UNC would be on probation right now and not eligible to play for the 2016 national championship. OFC

 

[Anon1728003274]

Respectfully disagree....

 

[skysdad]

Respectfully disagree....

I want you to be right also but HOF Coach Roy Williams is telling recruits that the basketball team is in the clear. Why would he be doing that if he didn't already know. OFC

 

[DevilDJ]

No wins will be vacated. At the most as I stated in my post at the top of this thread will be a simple loss of scholarships and a possible probation will be delivered as a way of saying we punished them.

If this was all the NCAA was gonna do , they'd have been better off NOT going back to unx to re-investigate. That's a wristslap of epic proportions and would draw more negative attention than a refusal to return to unx at all would've. I'm pessimistic too but unx doesn't spend 10+ millions of dollars defending themselves against schollie losses and probation. This would all be over by now.

 

[BluePhil]

I want you to be right also but HOF Coach Roy Williams is telling recruits that the basketball team is in the clear. Why would he be doing that if he didn't already know. OFC

It's not like Roy has not lied in the past.