What's up with Dana?
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What's your prediction on what your record will be? Looks like you guys play one of the tougher schedules in the country. In addition to your 9 game Big 12 schedule you get Missouri and BYU out of conference.
8-4 before a bowl.
lose to OSU/UT/TT (pick 2 of those 3) on the road.
also lose to OU as we always do, plus another WTF loss as is WVU tradition. Iowa State seems like a good game to fill that slot.
According to Coach Holgorsen, based upon his handling of the offense in practice late last fall as well as his passing ability, Chugunov will have a chance to earn the starting position this Spring. If there is no real competition, Coach is a liar. If there is, may the best passer win. Anyone of average intelligence can run that offense.
There is no reason this team can't compete for the big 12 title this year. The schedule is laid out perfectly the majority of the tough games are at home. Most of the offense will be back. The future is now the time for excuses has ended
Excuses NEVER end for WVU fans. Till the Mountaineers win a national title in football, WVU has not arrived at the mountaintop.
Winning the Big 12 title would be an excellent start. Doing better than Bill Stewart's 9-4, 9-4, 9-4 would be nice, too.
As usual, I'll be in Section 105 with my heart on the line.
A TREDMILL WVU CAN'T AVOID
In the 1920s Clarence “Doc” Spears, perhaps the most successful Mountaineer coach, left for Wisconsin.
Marshall “Sleepy” Glenn was fired in the 1930’s for not winning enough.
Art “Pappy” Lewis resigned in the 1950’s despite the Sam Huff success years.
Gene Corum was out in the 1960s after a losing WVU career.
Jim Carlin, whose 1969 team had the best record at WVU since Spears’ 1922 unbeaten (but tied) team, left for Texas Tech.
Bobby Bowden won in the 1970’s and left for Florida State.
Don Nehlen gave 21 seasons of a 7-4 average, and was ready to leave for Ohio State but the Buckeyes didn’t bite.
Rich Rodriguez came within a Pitt upset of playing for the national title and left for Michigan.
In the 1920s Clarence “Doc” Spears, perhaps the most successful Mountaineer coach, left for Wisconsin.
Marshall “Sleepy” Glenn was fired in the 1930’s for not winning enough.
Art “Pappy” Lewis resigned in the 1950’s despite the Sam Huff success years.
Gene Corum was out in the 1960s after a losing WVU career.
Jim Carlin, whose 1969 team had the best record at WVU since Spears’ 1922 unbeaten (but tied) team, left for Texas Tech.
Bobby Bowden won in the 1970’s and left for Florida State.
Don Nehlen gave 21 seasons of a 7-4 average, and was ready to leave for Ohio State but the Buckeyes didn’t bite.
Rich Rodriguez came within a Pitt upset of playing for the national title and left for Michigan.
Lucky you had an editor for most of your career.
Anyway... ..DH has a record similar to what Bobby ( BB 42-26 with a single bowl victory....DH 36-28 with two bowl wins) recorded before leaving for the promise land.
I can see it happening with Dana too. There's SO MANY easier places to get MANY MORE top recruits that staying at WVU really is a liability for any young coach wanting to make a name for himself.
Anyway... ..DH has a record similar to what Bobby ( BB 42-26 with a single bowl victory....DH 36-28 with two bowl wins) recorded before leaving for the promise land.
I can see it happening with Dana too. There's SO MANY easier places to get MANY MORE top recruits that staying at WVU really is a liability for any young coach wanting to make a name for himself.
Well if DH wants to find himself in a better situation then he needs to produce better than 7-5. The blue bloods are not gonna hire coach's that goe 7-5. There are allot of up comers that would take the wvu job if offered.
True.
Like Bobby...Dana just needs one good season with a bowl win and final season ranking.
I think you were being facetious, but if not I disagree with your assessment. That may have been true at one time, but with the new player facilities and being in the Big 12 I think recruiting is going well. When you take the revolving door of assistants into consideration WVU is doing quite well. Last year could easily have been two wins better with experienced receivers and a consistent passer.
There is no reason not to have a successful passing game this season and Rushel Shell should be hitting his prime. According to Coach Seider, there is also a very talented young running back named Kennedy McCoy turning heads in practice. He is 6'0" 201 lbs. with speed and moves. If the young talent on the defense comes around this season could be pretty successful.
Florida State wasn't a powerhouse when Bobby went there he pretty much built the program. Dana's gonna probably need a 10-11 win season and a big 12 title to show up on the radar of the Blue bloods.
Nick Saban was 9-2 in his last season at Michigan state not 7-5 get your facts straight
The only people that are gonna pay Dana more then what he is making are Blue Bloods
nick Saban averaged 6 wins at Michigan state. And Dana went 8-5, not 7-5. Get your facts straight.
You said Nick Saban went 7-5 he went 9-2 and cashed in. Dana went 7-5 in the regular season 8-5 with a bowl win. Beating a 6-6 team from the Pac 12 by 1 point doesn't peak the interest of the blood bloods like beating Georgia and Oklahoma
actually I didn't. If had, it would be true. He averaged 6 wins at MSU. He went 6-5, 6-6, 7-5, 6-6, 9-2. Average of 6 wins per year. And apparently it does peak their interest. It did for Saban.
Coach Holgorsen is still a work in progress as a head coach who calls the offensive plays. He has taken the blame for several losses, so he is at least honest about it. The loss in the final game of the season against KSU was on him for abandoning a successful running game at halftime and putting the offense in the hands of a lame QB with negative yards on 13 carries.
Coach Holgorsen seems to be learning from his mistakes, but the Spring game will be very telling. It is being advertised as an actual intrasquad game this year, perhaps as Coach Nehlen used to do it for the fans and the Children's Hospital. Choose up sides and have at it. If he does that, everyone will see who should start and who shouldn't. I'll be there and so will many other posters.
Right now, Coach is fighting to keep his job after what should have been a more successful 2015 season. With his current head coaching resume' he has little chance of landing a better offer as a HC. If he is fired after an unsuccessful 2016 campaign his best shot is as an offensive coordinator at a power 5 school.
If he can put the pieces together in the right order and listen to his OC up in the booth regarding play calling, he could have a season with double digit wins. That puts him in good shape with a contract extension as well as improves his very average HC record on his resume'. He may then become a 'hot commodity' who piques the interest of others.
Coach Holgorsen seems to be learning from his mistakes, but the Spring game will be very telling. It is being advertised as an actual intrasquad game this year, perhaps as Coach Nehlen used to do it for the fans and the Children's Hospital. Choose up sides and have at it. If he does that, everyone will see who should start and who shouldn't. I'll be there and so will many other posters.
Right now, Coach is fighting to keep his job after what should have been a more successful 2015 season. With his current head coaching resume' he has little chance of landing a better offer as a HC. If he is fired after an unsuccessful 2016 campaign his best shot is as an offensive coordinator at a power 5 school.
If he can put the pieces together in the right order and listen to his OC up in the booth regarding play calling, he could have a season with double digit wins. That puts him in good shape with a contract extension as well as improves his very average HC record on his resume'. He may then become a 'hot commodity' who piques the interest of others.
Saban Took over a Michigan State Program that was under Ncaa storm clouds and left the team after a 9-2 mark. His 1999 Mich state team had 7 players drafted in the NFL that year I am sure that had allot to do with LSU decision to hire him. On 3/27/16 Dana is closure to being fired than he is on punching his ticket to the land of the blue bloods
and he still averaged 6 wins a year. And Dana has produced a recent 1st round pick in Kevin white. He's put guys in the NFL too. Still not making sense lol
Saban had 2 1st rounders off that mich state Team every heard of Plaxico burress?
The point is he landed the job due to his last season and How he improved the program from what he took over. Something DH hasn't done for WVU but I know you'll have some excuse for that you always do
dana has improved the program. He's winning 7-8 games a year in a much tougher conference than before when previous coaches could only average the same. Dana would be winning 10-11 games a year in the big east today. He's rebuilt the program by getting our scholarship numbers up to 80-85. He's winning bowls. He's putting guys into the NFL. His WVU teams are the highest scoring in our history (the top 2).
You have a low ceiling for what you call improvement. He has won only 1 bowl since being in the Big 12 and that was against a 6-6 pac 12 team. If Dana has improved the program like you say then there is no reason why this team can't compete for a big 12 title this year. Every poster who makes this claim you argue against it. The team has the bulk of the offense back and a favorably home schedule. There is no reason they can't compete this year. Its time to put up or shut up. Dana isn't gonna get 20 years to complete this task
how many times does it need to be explained to you? WVU is a 7-9 win program. Fact. Dana won 8 last year. That's par for the program. Accept it or find a new school to meet your expectations.
A 7-9 winning program according to who? your acceptance of mediocrity? How many people at Baylor expected to compete for Big 12 titles before Art Briles? How many people at TTech thought they could win Big 12 titles before Mike leach? There is no reason this team can't compete for a big 12 title. K state TCU and Baylor have won shares of the title since are membership and none are Blue bloods. The future is now accept it and stop being a defeatist
according to who, you ask? Our history. Thats our average for the last 3 decades or more. That's the type of program we are. We have no recruiting instate. Texas tech, Baylor, Tcu are in Texas. WVU is in West Virginia. The one and only school you mentioned that we could be able to emulate is KState. However, even kstate has an advantage with several high profile junior colleges in Kansas to fuel their recruiting. Plus, they have a legendary coach in Bill Snyder. Odds of finding another Bill Snyder like coach to come to WVU are gonna be hard. He's truly one of the greatest ever.
Oklahoma and Texas are the only blue bloods in the conference. teams like TCU and Baylor have not averaged 10 wins based on there history i doubt any team in this conference has achieved that. No one said we expected 10 wins every year but this program is more than capable of competing for a conference championship every couple of years. If DH is the coach you claim him to be he can easily win 9+ games this season. If DH turns out to be the coach you claim he is he could compete for a big 12 title every 2-3 years. 7-5 every year is unacceptable.
dana should be able to easily win 9+ games this year? Based on what? Dana should compete for a big 12 title every 2-3 years? Based on what? Your demands are ridiculous for this program. I've provided facts showing we've never been the program you demand we are. And the reasons we aren't.
You haven't provided any facts your just making excuses for mediocrity. Outside of Oklahoma and Texas there no Blue Bloods in the Big 12 and Texas is in the toilet at the moment so that makes just makes 1. If DH can't compete for the Big 12 title this season its for 1 reason he simply can't coach.
If sure if we started cheating like Baylor our performance would skyrocket. I wouldn't be opposed to it, but Dana likes run a cleaner program than the knuckleheads on here would give him credit for.
if Dana can't coach, what's that say for our previous WVU coaches? His teams have the top 2 highest scoring seasons ever at WVU. He has the biggest win in our history against a team that finished with 1 loss (the loss we gave them). He averages the same 7 wins our program has had for 30 years. Yet he does it against much better competition.
what team was that? If you're talking about Baylor, they had 2 losses in 2014.
I'm sold. Double Dana's salary and add $1 million bonus every time he beats Kansas and Iowa State.
In the 1920s Clarence “Doc” Spears, perhaps the most successful Mountaineer coach, left for Wisconsin.
Marshall “Sleepy” Glenn was fired in the 1930’s for not winning enough.
Art “Pappy” Lewis resigned in the 1950’s despite the Sam Huff success years.
Gene Corum was out in the 1960s after a losing WVU career.
Jim Carlin, whose 1969 team had the best record at WVU since Spears’ 1922 unbeaten (but tied) team, left for Texas Tech.
Bobby Bowden won in the 1970’s and left for Florida State.
Don Nehlen gave 21 seasons of a 7-4 average, and was ready to leave for Ohio State but the Buckeyes didn’t bite.
Rich Rodriguez came within a Pitt upset of playing for the national title and left for Michigan.
We are who we are. They win, they leave. They lose, we fire them.
Yeah...............Rich Rod had WV headed for the NC game. He cashed in at the Pitt game and then headed to Michigan. He cashed in there and moved on to Arizona. He built a mansion in them thar hills of Arizona. Built it out of $100 bills as I hear tell. Moral of the story is that Holgs will cash in if and when the timing is right.
There is nothing worse than mediocrity. That is what Dana has provided to this point in the Big 12. At least when a coach completely fails it's easy for everyone to get behind change. 6 or 7 wins is not the best WVU can do. We can do better and it's a choice to make it happen or not.
It's funny how our average of 7 wins a year keeps getting brought up as a reason for supporting/defending Dana. Seven wins has never been good enough. WVU may have averaged 7 wins historically but it's never been the goal to find someone to just maintain that average.
It's funny how our average of 7 wins a year keeps getting brought up as a reason for supporting/defending Dana. Seven wins has never been good enough. WVU may have averaged 7 wins historically but it's never been the goal to find someone to just maintain that average.