What's up with Greer?

Medill90

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I was very early in the arena for the DePaul game. Greer was shooting 3 pointers at a 80%+ clip. It’s easy to understand why he was a good 3 pt shooter in high school. But now:
1) he has to shoot quicker with faster and taller defenders. Something 99% of kids have to adapt to
2) he lacks confidence

I hope the main problem is #2 and he gets over it. Breakout game and whatnot. If it’s #1 he can’t get over, he will never be a B1G player

The way you get over #2 is by playing. If he finds the bottom of the net on a couple in a row it could be a difference maker for him.
 

Titanium999

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Too bad he went 2/7 from the floor...
Greer is a solid Ivy league player. If you want to letter and start in the Big Ten ( like Wrassler did in 1980) you better bring quickness, agility, and power to the table! Bouie has this! We need a few more Bouies! Ash would have helped. Ash is shooting 41% for Wright State and was our best defensive player.
 
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Dang! I promised all five of my wives the same deal! A few of those marriages only lasted weeks!
Maybe Collins wants another scholarship to give and he is trying to make it clear to Greer that he has no future playing time at NU in order to nudge him towards the transfer decision.

That speculation may be correct. If it is, I and some others would be disappointed. That approach of "nudging off" recruits may be widely used by others but it ill-befits Northwestern. Unless Collins and staff specifically recruited Greer on the understanding that he was merely a fill-in until someone better was available, the assumption is of a 4-year commitment from both parties.

When my first wife and I married, we did so -- not entirely facetiously -- not for a lifetime but on a year-to-year basis. We told each other it was not necessarily a long-term contract. Year-to-year, with the option of annual renewal with both parties' consent.

That was 56 years ago tomorrow. So far, my first wife is the only one. Although she hasn't yet conducted my annual review, I have hopes that our marriage will continue. Maybe I'm just projecting my own situation onto young Mr. Greer, but I hope he is allowed to stay the course.
 
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Maybe Collins wants another scholarship to give and he is trying to make it clear to Greer that he has no future playing time at NU in order to nudge him towards the transfer decision.

That speculation may be correct. If it is, I and some others would be disappointed. That approach of "nudging off" recruits may be widely used by others but it ill-befits Northwestern. Unless Collins and staff specifically recruited Greer on the understanding that he was merely a fill-in until someone better was available, the assumption is of a 4-year commitment from both parties.

When my first wife and I married, we did so -- not entirely facetiously -- not for a lifetime but on a year-to-year basis. We told each other it was not necessarily a long-term contract. Year-to-year, with the option of annual renewal with both parties' consent.

That was 56 years ago tomorrow. So far, my first wife is the only one. Although she hasn't yet conducted my annual review, I have hopes that our marriage will continue. Maybe I'm just projecting my own situation onto young Mr. Greer, but I hope he is allowed to stay the course.
WildcatWillie, I completely agree re: Greer and others, past, present and future. It’s another story if the issue is “effort" or “dedication”, or lack of contribution to team spirit in the locker room.

I can relate.

Without much talent, I was a perpetual benchwarmer in HS. Several years later, Coach told my dad in a barbershop chat that I was kept around as the guy who put every ounce of effort into practices while defending “Jack” who became All-State, college BB and FB/QB starter, tennis champ and even had a brief shot at the NFL. Coach said my speed and hustle and never-quit spirit over two years of practices had made Jack a better guard. So after that feedback, it made sense that I was kept on the roster and played only in the closing minutes of blowouts. Whenever I was able to come up with a steal (my only forte), all bets were off because the ball then took on a mind of its own rather than doing what I imagined it should. Never had thought about it, because at the time when working like a crazy man with hair on fire against Jack, I just thought that’s what you’re SUPPOSED to do.

As for the marriage commentary, it’s excellent story and deserves plaudits. So, heartfelt congratulations to both of you. I made it for 50 years before cancer took Ms Palindrome last year. Fortunately for me, she had been a professor and thus accepted that I had tenure; plus, she graded on the curve, which didn’t exist in the classroom for a lot of us old-timers. Those two things allowed me to squeak by for 5 decades!
 
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GatoLouco

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He'll be playing now. Collins has no choice if Gaines is shut down.

True.

Going from zero to 20 minutes for the Hartford game might not have been too strange, as AJ seemed to be dealing with an injury.

But Collins wanting him on the court over Spencer was, at least to me, quite surprising.
 
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Hopefully he will settle down a bit next game. He jacked up some rushed and bad shots like he was afraid if he didn’t score he’d be back on the bench.
 
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Hopefully he will settle down a bit next game. He jacked up some rushed and bad shots like he was afraid if he didn’t score he’d be back on the bench.

Greer reportedly shot over 40% beyond the arc in high school. Through almost 1.5 seasons as a Wildcat, Greer is shooting exactly 20% beyond the arc. This season, I have made as many 3-point baskets for the 'Cats as Greer has. Settle down, indeed.
 

NJCat

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Greer reportedly shot over 40% beyond the arc in high school. Through almost 1.5 seasons as a Wildcat, Greer is shooting exactly 20% beyond the arc. This season, I have made as many 3-point baskets for the 'Cats as Greer has. Settle down, indeed.
Keep in mind that the high school 3 is closer to the bucket than the college 3.............
 
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Keep in mind that the high school 3 is closer to the bucket than the college 3.............

Fair enough...

Greer is a career .333 shooter inside the arc through almost 1.5 seasons. And he is a career .227 shooter inside the arc against Tier A+B teams per kenpom.

I'm glad to know that Greer is a solid "locker room guy," but I'd look elsewhere for solutions to our offensive woes.
 

willycat

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Fair enough...

Greer is a career .333 shooter inside the arc through almost 1.5 seasons. And he is a career .227 shooter inside the arc against Tier A+B teams per kenpom.

I'm glad to know that Greer is a solid "locker room guy," but I'd look elsewhere for solutions to our offensive woes.
Thinking he's the best they have as a #3 guard. Playing better then Turner and as good as Spencer right now. He's also better ball handler and shooter then Gaines.
 

GatoLouco

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Thinking he's the best they have as a #3 guard. Playing better then Turner and as good as Spencer right now. He's also better ball handler and shooter then Gaines.

Thinking you are getting a little over excited on your analysis. He showed hustle and not a whole lot more. Pretty much disagreeing with everything in that statement

Turner contributed decently against MSU and was injured against Hartford.

If the roles were reversed, and Greer had been the one getting minutes, and Spencer was the one coming off the bench from zero to 20 minutes, I sense you'd be saying Spencer was the man:
Pts/Rb/***/St/TO Shooting FG/3/FT
Greer : 2/4/2/1/0 14/0/0
Spencer: 7/1/2/0/0 30/0/25

Gaines... don't understand the comparison. What's the point of being a "better ball handler"? Gaines is a 2, Greer is a 1. He better have better ball handling. And what's the point beyond helping with a full court press? Gaines is a better slasher and gets points driving to the basket. Greer? Not so much

Shooting FG/3/FT
Last season
Greer 31/24/50
Gaines 36/26/77
This season
Greer 20/0/75
Gaines 38/31/82

It's not all about numbers. And I wish Greer will have a breakout game. We need him now even more when it is likely Gaines is out for the season. Still...
 
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All Greer needs to do is protect the ball and move the offense, and put all his energy into good defense. If he can do those three things effectively he will see more court time even with a healthy Gaines and Turner.
 

willycat

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Thinking you are getting a little over excited on your analysis. He showed hustle and not a whole lot more. Pretty much disagreeing with everything in that statement

Turner contributed decently against MSU and was injured against Hartford.

If the roles were reversed, and Greer had been the one getting minutes, and Spencer was the one coming off the bench from zero to 20 minutes, I sense you'd be saying Spencer was the man:
Pts/Rb/***/St/TO Shooting FG/3/FT
Greer : 2/4/2/1/0 14/0/0
Spencer: 7/1/2/0/0 30/0/25

Gaines... don't understand the comparison. What's the point of being a "better ball handler"? Gaines is a 2, Greer is a 1. He better have better ball handling. And what's the point beyond helping with a full court press? Gaines is a better slasher and gets points driving to the basket. Greer? Not so much

Shooting FG/3/FT
Last season
Greer 31/24/50
Gaines 36/26/77
This season
Greer 20/0/75
Gaines 38/31/82

It's not all about numbers. And I wish Greer will have a breakout game. We need him now even more when it is likely Gaines is out for the season. Still...
Have you actually watches Spencer trying to ball handle or Turner try and shoot from outside?
 

lunker35

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Have you actually watches Spencer trying to ball handle or Turner try and shoot from outside?
I actually think Spencer is a good ball handler. It’s his confidence or over confidence that gets him in trouble. He gets buried when he plays hero ball. When he’s a bit more relaxed and level headed he can hang with anyone.
 

GatoLouco

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GatoLouco said:





Thinking you are getting a little over excited on your analysis. He showed hustle and not a whole lot more. Pretty much disagreeing with everything in that statement

Turner contributed decently against MSU and was injured against Hartford.

If the roles were reversed, and Greer had been the one getting minutes, and Spencer was the one coming off the bench from zero to 20 minutes, I sense you'd be saying Spencer was the man:
Pts/Rb/***/St/TO Shooting FG/3/FT
Greer : 2/4/2/1/0 14/0/0
Spencer: 7/1/2/0/0 30/0/25

Gaines... don't understand the comparison. What's the point of being a "better ball handler"? Gaines is a 2, Greer is a 1. He better have better ball handling. And what's the point beyond helping with a full court press? Gaines is a better slasher and gets points driving to the basket. Greer? Not so much

Shooting FG/3/FT
Last season
Greer 31/24/50
Gaines 36/26/77
This season
Greer 20/0/75
Gaines 38/31/82

It's not all about numbers. And I wish Greer will have a breakout game. We need him now even more when it is likely Gaines is out for the season. Still...

Have you actually watches Spencer trying to ball handle or Turner try and shoot from outside?
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Yes. Every game he played in his entire college b-ball career.

I’m not gonna nitpick one trait of a player against another. That’s useless as a player impact is not just one dimension.

Your argument though was that Greer was preferable on the court over Gaines/Turner/Spencer. Basically only Buie should get more minutes than Greer :rolleyes: Seems so odd that it’s pointless to make any logical argument against it.