Wheaton St. Francis
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mc,
From what I know they will have a freshman team a JV team with sophs and varsity team. No FS team this year. Not sure about the total numbers.
Give the Spartans three to four years. Bobby and the boys will have the numbers up. STF can be top 20 team again. It's going to take sometime.
Just don't have the athletes now.
Just don't have the athletes now.
If Bob had his way he will never have Freshman football again. You can bank on that.
godfthr,
That would be a mistake. This is high school and schools and coaches should give every kid a chance to learn and play at every possible level.
It should never be a coaches choice to get rid of any level. Only numbers should do this.
Exactly Godfthr, freshman football is merely a feel good extension of age group ball and a drain on staff funding, when much more can be done teaching and bonding as a full team of players. Do a fresh/Soph season and maybe a JV as well dependent on school/team size and move forward. It gets the Freshmen going on Friday nights as well, rather than some mid-week or Saturday morning game.
Getting rid of freshman football is a dumb long term move. Many kids have never played football before and it gives them a chance to not have to play against older kids and sit on the bench. Plus with freshman only you can spend more time developing fundamentals while keeping kids in the program since they are getting game time.
So let's continue to reinforce the immediate gratification standard, rather than break away from that to more reasonable times of working your A$$ off for the prize. This everyone needs to get a trophy attitude is something I just don't understand.
So let's put younger kids who have never played before against older kids who have and when they get their face beat in we can start another thread about declining participation?
Freshman football serves the purpose of introducing kids to high school football and to eliminate it for any reason other then lack of numbers is bad long term decision for any program.
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Eliminating freshmen football simply means lower numbers in the long run.
CB....when Jwar disagrees, you know you are on the right side of the issue.
godfthr,
I disagree. At the least there should be a freshman team. If the numbers are so low that it's not possible to have a F/S team then go with a JV team, but getting rid of two lower levles is a big mistake.
Guys,
I said make a Fresh/Soph team and essentially let them play on Friday nights. They will learn faster and have the atmosphere to suck them in and keep them.
I said make a Fresh/Soph team and essentially let them play on Friday nights. They will learn faster and have the atmosphere to suck them in and keep them.
Nothing that I can't stand more than underclassmen playing on Friday nights (from a media standpoint)...yet...this would make sense on a lot of levels
Edgy,
From your standpoint with deadline and appearance in studio I can understand, but I think from a players standpoint there's nothing better than playing on a Friday evening and as the season gets later under the lights. It will get them hooked better than a Monday or Thursday afternoon game and also makes it more accessible to the adult family members.
From your standpoint with deadline and appearance in studio I can understand, but I think from a players standpoint there's nothing better than playing on a Friday evening and as the season gets later under the lights. It will get them hooked better than a Monday or Thursday afternoon game and also makes it more accessible to the adult family members.
This isn't any kind of earth ahattrring revelation. This type of scheduling started in the new Northern Lake County Conference last year.
Already rumblings that the MSL will pick this up soon and other area conferences are to follow.
Our numbers in Gurnee are very low. Will see what happens when fall camp opens Monday, but summer numbers were soft at best.
Unfortunately this is a trend that will continue. This isnt a public or private issue it's a football one.
Already rumblings that the MSL will pick this up soon and other area conferences are to follow.
Our numbers in Gurnee are very low. Will see what happens when fall camp opens Monday, but summer numbers were soft at best.
Unfortunately this is a trend that will continue. This isnt a public or private issue it's a football one.
My concern with no FR is that there are some really physically immature kids as FR especially beginning of FR year. For that aspect I like the concept of FR competing against FR. And I have seen some of these really immature kids as FR turn into good HS fball players at varsity. I would hate to see them maybe not play fball because of no FR.
Getting rid of freshmen football will hurt programs down the line, because it is a great way to get kids to develop into starters one day. Ultimately the scores and records at those levels don't matter, as long as they develop their players into successful varsity players, its just like professional baseball. Theo the other day said how he doesn't care about their minor league teams winning championships, they only care that they develop their prospects to become good major league players. I know at MCC there's a great amount of players who would have not been nearly successful without that playing time and development at the freshmen and sophomore levels, and I am talking about guys who ended up being All-Conference, All-Area, and leading receiver in county type of talent. He didn't play a ton of time as a junior, but got some time, so if there was one team for freshmen and sophs, he wouldn't have developed nearly as much without that playing time, and potentially who knows if he stays out all 4 years without it. I agree the Friday night lights are the greatest, but you have to properly develop to be able to succeed on that stage, and that means taking your lumps during the Saturday and middle of the week games. Much rather have a kid with game experience than just practice experience when the lights turn on Friday night. This is exactly why colleges, especially d3 and NAIA, play JV games, so that their players can get some playing time to develop. You rarely develop as well if you just run the scout team everyday.
I think the days of kids never playing fball before and coming out FR year is going to be a thing of the past very soon....
You never know a lot people are pushing the idea of only playing flag football in youth or having kids hold off on football until they are older.
In a good year maybe a third of our kids played before high school.
It would be interesting to see what percentage of kids have played football at prior to arrival at high school. At WWS they average about 50% of kids having previously played before high school.
Let's just get rid of freshmen. That solves the issue.
Probably the best post in years.
The transition physiologically and psychologically at this age is dramatic.
Throwing kids who are not ready in with bigger, more mature kids is a bad recipe.