Well multiple members have been arrested for rioting and destroying Federal property for their participation in the Capital escapades the other day. You really weren't aware that those groups were heavily represented there? I wasn't aware of the BLM organization doing any of those things either, just some opportunists who saw it as an chance to break into stores and steal. I assume those are the individuals you are speaking of.
When do you draw the line!
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Well multiple members have been arrested for rioting and destroying Federal property for their participation in the Capital escapades the other day. You really weren't aware that those groups were heavily represented there? I wasn't aware of the BLM organization doing any of those things either, just some opportunists who saw it as an chance to break into stores and steal. I assume those are the individuals you are speaking of.
Not really. I stopped watching news on tv because I dont trust any of them to tell the whole truth or whole story. They don’t report news, they try to make news.
Oh okay, well numerous members of The Proud Boys, QAnon, and other right wing Trump lunatics have been arrested for breaking into the Capital, heavily armed, and stealing, destroying property, etc. I got my information from the FBI, not Fox, I agree, there is no way I would believe anything I see on there.
Then who in the hell is maintaing all those millions of dollars of donations....or is that just another circular illegal fund some Democrat has dreamed up.......
Isn't it curious that BLM isn't concerned about black on black crime........
There is a BLM organization and BLM movement. The organization is small and is a piece of a much larger movement. The claims of being marxists only applies to a few people in the organization and has nothing to do with the movement. Honestly, if your chosen media is politicizing BLM, you need to can them. I shouldn't have to point this out but adult onset retardation seems to be more contagious than covid.
I've never seen anyone bitching about people talking, not removing their hats, being in the line of the concession stand, etc. while the anthem is playing. I've also never seen anyone talk about shirts or other clothing made to resemble the flag.
Who cares? They kneeled. They did what they felt hey had to do. Doesn’t hurt my patriotism or fan hood. I stand w my hand on my heart.
it’s a free country. It’s expression. It’s beautiful
it’s a free country. It’s expression. It’s beautiful
So towards the end the Jailer clearly says to bring your shirts to the jail to swap. So this is therefore an official act sponsored by the local county and therefore the State of Kentucky?
I find it hard to believe Kentucky is sponsoring the burning of University of Kentucky jerseys in an operation ran out of county property on county time by county employees?
Is the Governor aware of this activity being carried out in all our names according to these radicals? I am a Kentucky veteran and I don't support this crap? I have two brothers in the ground that are veterans and they dam sure wouldn't support this crap.
Things are bad enough without poorly educated buffoons running off our coach and destroying our basketball program as apparently sacking the Capitol wasn't enough for them last week.
I find it hard to believe Kentucky is sponsoring the burning of University of Kentucky jerseys in an operation ran out of county property on county time by county employees?
Is the Governor aware of this activity being carried out in all our names according to these radicals? I am a Kentucky veteran and I don't support this crap? I have two brothers in the ground that are veterans and they dam sure wouldn't support this crap.
Things are bad enough without poorly educated buffoons running off our coach and destroying our basketball program as apparently sacking the Capitol wasn't enough for them last week.
it accomplishes nothing and diverts your limited resources and time in the wrong direction
Bill Burr calls it patriotic correctness. It's the exact same type of response that liberals have about political correctness. I'm from a military family, and I appreciate all that our veterans have done for our country. I hate when I go to a pro game and they take time to "honor" a vet like they're some kind of show pony. How about we give them better benefits at the VA and the help they need after they come back from war rather than worrying if some group of kids kneeled during the anthem and "disrespected" them. The country's biggest expense is Defense and we can't even properly take of vets once they're home. That's the bigger disgrace
Did you know standing for the National Anthem did not become a think until 1893? Who said that was the right thing to do?
I probably wouldn't kneel, but it is more respectful than turning your back to the flag.
At the end of the day, I'm a 40-year old white guy who has had a pretty easy life. I cannot imagine what types of things these individuals have gone through (and most of you all can't either). So I respect their right to express themselves.
I probably wouldn't kneel, but it is more respectful than turning your back to the flag.
At the end of the day, I'm a 40-year old white guy who has had a pretty easy life. I cannot imagine what types of things these individuals have gone through (and most of you all can't either). So I respect their right to express themselves.
I agree with people on both sides that believe we need to completely get politics out of sport and the only way to do that is to eliminate playing the Anthem before the games as they don't do that at the opera or the movie theater. Sport is entertainment and shouldn't be an expression of how we believe our country should be governed. Drop the whole pregame ceremony and let athletes get back to being athletes playing a game so we can root for our teams instead of our politics.
I've watched UK basketball most of my life, love the CATS and I'll probably continue to watch them, unless the influenza gets me first.
BUT, over the last few years, my interest and enthusiasm for UK has waned. And probably my final straw (with) when Coach Cal lost me, was when he was talking about mask wearing and social distancing, while there were TEN of his players running up and down the floor, Not wearing masks and NOT social distancing on the floor!! Whether you are for or against mask mandates, that should be an individuals decision (my body my choice).
THEN, to follow that up with his last
"signal" during the broadcast (about the 1:21:15 mark), it was not a 
wave , but a statement !!
Players usually follow their head coaches lead, unless they want to share time with Fido!
This is not the University of Coach Cal!!
This is not the University of NBA Feeder System!!
This is not the University of Social Justice!!
This is the University of Kentucky!!
Coach Cal's job is to, #1 win games/ championships, #2 is to keep his players on track to graduate (?), #3 is to make sure they stay out of trouble.
JMO
BUT, over the last few years, my interest and enthusiasm for UK has waned. And probably my final straw (with) when Coach Cal lost me, was when he was talking about mask wearing and social distancing, while there were TEN of his players running up and down the floor, Not wearing masks and NOT social distancing on the floor!! Whether you are for or against mask mandates, that should be an individuals decision (my body my choice).
THEN, to follow that up with his last
"signal" during the broadcast (about the 1:21:15 mark), it was not a wave , but a statement !! Players usually follow their head coaches lead, unless they want to share time with Fido!
This is not the University of Coach Cal!!
This is not the University of NBA Feeder System!!
This is not the University of Social Justice!!
This is the University of Kentucky!!
Coach Cal's job is to, #1 win games/ championships, #2 is to keep his players on track to graduate (?), #3 is to make sure they stay out of trouble.
JMO
Kaepernick didn’t kneel at all until he got benched and sat back there pouting
around about it. I always thought it was bs just cause the timing tbh.
around about it. I always thought it was bs just cause the timing tbh.
No I got the point. You thought you cleverly insulted peoples intelligence just like you just did me. It seems to be a thing with you but hey everyone sees right through it.
Gotta disagree with ya here C.
It's not the symbols, not at all, they're simply physical representations of what we as a country were founded upon: Honor, Truth, Morality, etc, all pillars of what support our American way of life. By kneeling, it directly opposes what a great many take as an affront to their common viewpoints of those pillars of this nation's foundation: the Constitution.
By kneeling they're giving a big old "F*** You" to those who viewpoints are vastly different than their's. I'm not saying I take it to mean exactly that, only that a large % of Americans, do.
Until the athletes go back and live in the communities they grew up in, provide support and guidance to the misguided, their words mean nothing. On one hand they are thankful to have made it out of their communities alive, but downplay the violence in these communities when it comes to an officer using force against the same people they were afraid of growing up.
If they truly want to make an impact, quit supporting music that makes gangs, rape, kids without parents, baby mommas seem like a great lifestyle. Lift your communities up, put in support systems, aid the schools, recruit businesses. Although it makes them feel good, running down the local boys and girls club on Christmas and taking them shopping for a photo-op isn’t the answer. If the black community truly wants change, it’s time to look in the mirror for it.
If they truly want to make an impact, quit supporting music that makes gangs, rape, kids without parents, baby mommas seem like a great lifestyle. Lift your communities up, put in support systems, aid the schools, recruit businesses. Although it makes them feel good, running down the local boys and girls club on Christmas and taking them shopping for a photo-op isn’t the answer. If the black community truly wants change, it’s time to look in the mirror for it.
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I get that people are choosing to interpret this as a "f you." I would see this if they were turning their back on the flag, or doing some other act of disrespect. But doesn't the fact that kneeling was specifically chosen as the act so as to NOT be disrespectful have to factor in? Doesn't the fact that everyone participating says they mean no disrespect to the nation or its symbols or its principals have to factor in - that their intended message isn't "f these principles" but "we believe in these principals and believe we as a nation are failing to uphold them?" There's never been anything disrespectful about the act of kneeling. What's left is "you must participate in this ritual and do it in the manner that we prescribe or we're offended," which is exactly the sort of sensitive political correctness that most people usually decry.
I’m seeing a lot of feelings from the “f your feelings” crowd.
Of all the things to worry about, this is pretty low on my list.
Of all the things to worry about, this is pretty low on my list.
The thought behind the kneeling is to bring public focus on needed reforms to law enforcement NOT a condemnation of police. However the only thing kneeling has every accomplished is to bring attention to - kneeling, and the subsequent anger from a large portion of people! Therefore the tactic doesn't work.
When kneeling first came up as an issue in the NLF and become a big problem I contacted the League Office and submitted a simple suggestion. It was that the players association and the league get together and agree that players would stop kneeling if the league would sponsor issue ads to bring awareness to needed reforms, to be run during games. Although I never got a response from the NFL that is exactly what they did!.
If something offends a lot of people regardless of the reason it's not a good idea to do it - I'm not telling them what they should or shouldn't do but just as a suggestion I would take a different and more effective tactic towards making their point, and I do think they have a point, but without upsetting people in the process.
When kneeling first came up as an issue in the NLF and become a big problem I contacted the League Office and submitted a simple suggestion. It was that the players association and the league get together and agree that players would stop kneeling if the league would sponsor issue ads to bring awareness to needed reforms, to be run during games. Although I never got a response from the NFL that is exactly what they did!.
If something offends a lot of people regardless of the reason it's not a good idea to do it - I'm not telling them what they should or shouldn't do but just as a suggestion I would take a different and more effective tactic towards making their point, and I do think they have a point, but without upsetting people in the process.
Your last paragraph is a good one. The key word is the strict definition of "offend".
Angering people sometimes works. Making somebody question something sometimes works.
The form of protest should be to create awareness for your issue. This particular form of protest always strikes up a conversation. But not about the actual issue... That's the core problem.
Sit-ins at lunchcounters would never offend somebody unless they think african americans shouldn't be able to eat along side other races.
Same with not moving on a bus.
A march might cause some inconvenience, but if your cause is just, it would only offend or anger those who don't agree with you. But kneeling for the anthem, while I am not offended, and understand why they are doing it, I think it's lost any effectiveness it ever had. The "kneeling" is a good statement. But don't do it during the anthem. As I've said in other comments, do it right before the tip when all of the cameras are on...
Whatever man okay flush down the nation tradition, anthem & culture & etc as long as Kentucky makes the final four 
There is now some serious discussion among policy makers about how to use less than lethal force in more situations than they currently do. Kneeling didn't directly cause this but it's certainly helped with the conversation.
I have said the same thing from the get go.
He has benefitted off a fanbase that he would rather not grouped with because he thinks he is more educated and enlightened. He's a fraud and I don't know why any UK fan listens to supports him in any way.
So the State school and it's highest profile employee and team can kneel but two guys in Laurel county can't express their opinion against it? Gimme a break.
I already have. I haven't watched a UK game in a year and don't intend to ever watch another unless they apologize to the people of this state for insulting us & commit to honoring our state & our nation and refrain from any further political statements or gestures in the future.
Mitch Barnhart has become an embarrassment.
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Well put together post and there isn’t a lot to disagree with here. I agree that more impact could be made via other efforts.
That doesn’t change the ridiculousness of the outrage though. Maybe I just don’t understand humans and how anyone could be offended by someone not following social norms. It doesn’t compute.
I agree that the reactions seems irrational to me but since it is what it is, those that have deep feelings about it need their concerns included as part of the solution even though you and I and others don't quite understand it.
Honestly the first time I saw the kneeling at an NFL game the first thought that came to mind was something we use to do in ROTC drill team, call The Queen Ann Salute (see video below). The only thing different is the riffle.
If guys were mooning the flag or turning their rears to the flag I would be upset about that, however they remain facing the flag, and are silent which is more than what I see from a few fans in the stands at times fooling around with their hot dog, or talking to their kids during the playing of the anthem. That agravates the heck out me.
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Well said.
I can see your perspective. What I’m about to post is not intended to detract from it.
The argument that all must stand for the flag ultimately falls on societal customs. There is nothing inherently more respectful about standing, for instance, but popular acceptance attributes meaning to the act of standing. Ultimately, symbolism is processed independently by each person, with thoughts imprinted by these customs.
In our case, the players made a gesture during the anthem. They’ve stated forthright the gesture should not be attached to being anti military or patriot. It’s the interpretation by some humans who attach standing to inherent value who object. But even then, it’s merely their interpretation of symbolism (not the players).
And in this respect, it’s why I not only have no issue with players kneeling, but it’s also why I think it’s a good thing they did. Normatives should be challenged and there is only benefit to making people think, even if it evokes negative emotion.
(and then of course there is the reality of the human condition, where emotion may over rule everything I typed)
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