When does the ACC get tired of UofL?
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The ACC was filthy long before Louisville showed up.
UofL to the ACC must be like the family that shows up to a wedding wearing jeans with a rat tailed 7 year old boy.
They didn't want them to begin with as they are an academic zit on the conference, so it will be interesting to see how the conference reacts to this. They aren't getting kicked out, but the ACC can't afford to act like this isn't a big deal.
Roy Williams and Jim Boeheim say welcome to the family.
As long as the NCAA lets schools flaunt their nose at the rules, and doesn't do anything about it, it will continue. Only three things matters to the NCAA, MONEY, MONEY, and MONEY. The NCAA can sweep everything else under the rug. Oh! They will punish a small school, just to show their doing something, but schools in the Top 5 conferences can get away with murder. Just ask Baylor!
Nothing is ever going to change. To much MONEY is involved. If you want to find out about corruption in college sports programs, just follow the money trail. To tell you how bad it is, how many time have you heard, "They all cheat." That is what most people think, even though I don't think it's true.
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
Nothing is ever going to change. To much MONEY is involved. If you want to find out about corruption in college sports programs, just follow the money trail. To tell you how bad it is, how many time have you heard, "They all cheat." That is what most people think, even though I don't think it's true.
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
You are probably right,one has to wonder what the end game/final outcome will be.The only thing working in UL's favor is that the Wake situation has been going on since 2014 so other schools are involved.Did UL play Wake last year? If Elrod talks and says they had info then as well then things get interesting.
I understand UofL is your big rival and all, but seems like they are doing their best to fit in with the rest of the ACC. ACC had academic scandals and rape coverups before they joined. They just trying to fit in. The Wake deal is on the Wake guy who gave them the gameplan, not UofL unless they asked him to steal and bring it to them.
This is what the ACC got when they left their door unlocked..
That's good. I would have gone with Al Czervik. Coach K is the Judge.
The UofL coach had a friend call him that he KNEW was on payroll at WF. He KNEW that he was calling him to hand over inside information. He sat on that phone call or text message to gather information and deemed the info pertinent enough to take it and share with the defensive staff. Just like insider trading with the market. If it's proven that you received inside info and acted on it you're guilty. If you knowingly receive stolen property you're guilty. He knew the information he was receiving was not supposed to ever make it outside of Wake Forrest's locker room.
I don't know why you people live under the illusion that the ACC is a bunch of clean Choir boys. Louisville, Miami, North Carolina, Syracuse, FSU... they're all scandal machines.
Well, kind of. The problem people have with college athletics is when people cheat. Whether it's paying players, giving players A's in fake classes or offering jobs to parents if a kid goes to their school. CHEATING is what pisses people off. That is what gains the attention nationally.
Wake forest's involvement isn't cheating. Wake forest did nothing wrong and is the school that is the actual victim. So while Elrod is the one who started all of this and is on the wake forest side of the story, wake forest did nothing wrong. LOUISVILLE did. So that's why Louisville seems to be at the center of the this story. They are the ones on the wrong side of the situation as they should be.
So again, wake forest did NOTHING wrong. I've heard numerous people say similar things, but it's not on wake forest. Yes, it's on Elrod, but it's on Elrod AND Louisville equally if you ask me. It's like receiving stolen property. If you know it's stolen, it's on YOU, nobody else.
Still see it on the guy from Wake. I personally never heard of anything like that happening before, but why wouldn't he use it if it was given to him?
Ever heard of Miami, Florida State, Miami, Duke, Miami, UNC, Miami, NC State, or Miami.
They aren't mutually exclusive. It's on both of them. Elrod knowingly took, for lack of a better term, "classified" info and gave it to Galloway. Then Galloway knowingly took info he improperly received and used it in an attempt to gain a competitive advantage. You wouldn't use it because you have an ounce of morality in your body and realize that you are cheating.
Assume you are the ACC. What do you do. Especially when reports are saying this Wake Forest guy has been doing this for over 2 years.
I am assuming Louisville is not the only ACC school to have been offered material. If so, why did the other schools not come forward.
It is a much bigger problem than just Louisville. It is a conference concern.
The ACC is a strange collection of cousins. From the very beginning, Clemson, USCe, and NCSU had very little in common with Wake and Dook. The bitter taste of USCe's rather uncouth exit after being railroaded by the Tobacco Road Mafia still lingers in the mouth of the blue-bloods.
Then expansion came. GA Tech was a pretty good fit with the UVA's and UNC's after being refused re-entry into the SEC in 1978, and very little dissent was heard. We were thankful that they saved our financial bacon (and relieved our unloved psychosis). F$U then entered the league in 1992 and everyone took a deep breath. The 2004 expansion sent shock waves through the Carolina blue skies when suddenly Miami and VPI were adopted. Yikes. BC made more sense academically, but athletically, hmmm, especially roundball. The admission of Cuse and Pitt rounded out the lot and the basketball overlords were once again happy - two historic programs in the fold.
Then came UMD's departure for the B1G Network. The Tobacco Road Mafia, in a jilted depression, tried to lure Notre Dame out of their gilded tower to no avail and ultimately settled on the football and basketball rich Louisville (let that settle in for a moment). The deed was done, except for the subsequent strange half-blood relationship later concocted with the Domers. By then, however, most had become jaded due to the open pursuit of dollars, and just shrugged. We admitted a team coached by Charlie Strong, but inherited a team coached by Bobby Petrino ('Nuff said. Up until recently, they've been pretty good partners).
The conference office blanched at F$U's endless forays into the dark side. They caught the vapors when the Miami/Nevin Shapiro story broke. They threw GA Tech under the bus in mock terror when Demaryius Thomas accepted (and returned) $300 worth of clothes from his cousin - costing us a championship (2009).
However, they went on full-on damage control, with hyperventilation, when UNC's 20-year academic fraud broke around 2012. Everyone but Ole' Roy was suspect and they even thew their Chancellor overboard to save those banners and Deano's honor. It is still an active investigation and conspiracy rumors abound: here and here, among others.
So, to answer your question... Louisville is small-fry to the TRM and other ACC muckety-mucks. There is no safe haven in college athletics these days. That notion went the way of buzz cuts and option football... no, wait...
Then expansion came. GA Tech was a pretty good fit with the UVA's and UNC's after being refused re-entry into the SEC in 1978, and very little dissent was heard. We were thankful that they saved our financial bacon (and relieved our unloved psychosis). F$U then entered the league in 1992 and everyone took a deep breath. The 2004 expansion sent shock waves through the Carolina blue skies when suddenly Miami and VPI were adopted. Yikes. BC made more sense academically, but athletically, hmmm, especially roundball. The admission of Cuse and Pitt rounded out the lot and the basketball overlords were once again happy - two historic programs in the fold.
Then came UMD's departure for the B1G Network. The Tobacco Road Mafia, in a jilted depression, tried to lure Notre Dame out of their gilded tower to no avail and ultimately settled on the football and basketball rich Louisville (let that settle in for a moment). The deed was done, except for the subsequent strange half-blood relationship later concocted with the Domers. By then, however, most had become jaded due to the open pursuit of dollars, and just shrugged. We admitted a team coached by Charlie Strong, but inherited a team coached by Bobby Petrino ('Nuff said. Up until recently, they've been pretty good partners).
The conference office blanched at F$U's endless forays into the dark side. They caught the vapors when the Miami/Nevin Shapiro story broke. They threw GA Tech under the bus in mock terror when Demaryius Thomas accepted (and returned) $300 worth of clothes from his cousin - costing us a championship (2009).
However, they went on full-on damage control, with hyperventilation, when UNC's 20-year academic fraud broke around 2012. Everyone but Ole' Roy was suspect and they even thew their Chancellor overboard to save those banners and Deano's honor. It is still an active investigation and conspiracy rumors abound: here and here, among others.
So, to answer your question... Louisville is small-fry to the TRM and other ACC muckety-mucks. There is no safe haven in college athletics these days. That notion went the way of buzz cuts and option football... no, wait...
I totally agree with you. It bothers me that some people think that it is okay that UL received and used the ill-gotten information. I hope those folks aren't role models to young children. Cheating (and using information that you know you were not intended to receive is cheating I don't care how someone wants to rationalize it) is wrong.
That's the thing, I don't see it as UofL cheating. I see it as a pissed off employee giving info away. The reality is there wasn't much there that they hadn't already seen from film study. We are just seeing it differently, I dont think it had much of an effect on the game's outcome
Yea we are seeing it differently. I'm not sure how you can see one person in the wrong here and not both since they acted together. I think you're a great poster so please don't take any of this as a personal attack. When you say "reality is" how do you know that? How do you know what part of the game plan was handed over and what UofL had and had not prepared for? Is it simply because Tom Jurich said so? Less than a month ago Bobby Petrino vehemently denied any member on staff having any of this information. That was a lie. Now because they say well yea we had some of it but it didn't really help, we take that as fact?
What part of intellectual property is confusing to you? I am not trying to be condescending here. Honestly. No one on WF staff knew about this. Stolen property (intellectual) was taken and given to other opponents, which includes UofL. UofL knew it was stolen and used it for their gain. Furthermore, they NEVER, and I do mean NEVER, reported the stolen info. Instead, they used it. This is absolutely a UofL issue and every other team that received the info and used it.
Did Georgia play them in that time frame? Serious question. It seems that the very basic premise behind stolen property is not resonating with you on this topic.
I could buy your argument if UL had turned WF into the ACC office. Instead they took the info and used what they could to help them win a game, a game that really didn't need such help to win. They could've saved their *** and appear to be honorable by simply placing a call to the ACC.
But it IS cheating. The story I heard was that the wake forest staff found out something happened the day before the game. Therefore they didn't use those particular plays. I don't know any of that for sure, but it is cheating.
DEFINITION:
cheat
CHēt/
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating
- 1.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
"she always cheats at cards"
Now, you can argue if it's acceptable cheating or not. That's fine. But to argue, to the definition of the word "cheat", it's 100% the definition.
Everyone is posting in response to the question to say "meh, this is the ACC, it's what they do - why would they complain about Louisville?"
But that's strictly an athletics point of view - the question is when will the "big wigs" tire of Louisville? Big wigs, I assume doesn't mean ADs and coaches but university presidents, for example. You have to recall how controversial Louisville's admission to the ACC was at the time. For years Louisville had been knocking on that door (and other conference doors, to be honest), and the ACC said "wait, you think we're going to admit a school that's 4th tier academically?" Eventually, the tectonic plates of college athletics demanded conference expansion, and Louisville was admitted - the business case was too strong. But they did it holding their nose. So, in that sense, I suspect that Louisville scandals - not just the athletic scandals but all the various FBI, attorney general, state auditor, college accreditation body and IRS scandals - must stick in the craw of those big wigs who looked down their noses at UofL all along.......
But that's strictly an athletics point of view - the question is when will the "big wigs" tire of Louisville? Big wigs, I assume doesn't mean ADs and coaches but university presidents, for example. You have to recall how controversial Louisville's admission to the ACC was at the time. For years Louisville had been knocking on that door (and other conference doors, to be honest), and the ACC said "wait, you think we're going to admit a school that's 4th tier academically?" Eventually, the tectonic plates of college athletics demanded conference expansion, and Louisville was admitted - the business case was too strong. But they did it holding their nose. So, in that sense, I suspect that Louisville scandals - not just the athletic scandals but all the various FBI, attorney general, state auditor, college accreditation body and IRS scandals - must stick in the craw of those big wigs who looked down their noses at UofL all along.......
Louisville isn't my rival. I don't think they deserve anywhere close to that respect. For me, they're embarrassing my state and getting away with it, that's what's so bad about it.
The ACC was wearing beer goggles when they offered LilBrothel a spot. They certainly woke up the next day and had morning after regret.
Is that similar to the SECheat conference, affectionately known as the "Society of Excellent Cheaters?":stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Oh wow that cut deep..keep that in mind while EVERYBODY laughs at your sewer pot..
The news today seems to indicate that the only potential "takers" were UL, IU, and Army. I believe that Elrod had connections at each school (Galloway at UL). Not sure this is larger than that, but looks like the truth will come out either way.
As for what the ACC should do, I think making sure that the public has confidence in the integrity of the games is very important (if not, this is a gambler's wet dream if you have off-field activities influencing on field results like this). I am guessing that UL will have some coaching suspensions upcoming...also, UL will act like Petrino didn't know (undoubtedly he did), so my guess is that Galloway gets suspended or fired after all of this public backlash.
That's good, because we're certainly able to laugh at ourselves - all except UNCheat. Are you implying that the SEC doesn't have a problem as well?