When is this insanity going to end?
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White is black. Black is white. Boy is girl. Girl is boy. Up is down. Down is up. In is out. Out is in.
Everyone that doesn't want to climb whatever ladder it is they want to climb or doean't want to put the effort in to be what they want to be will find some reason to be the victim. I'm sorry, but that is the problem anymore. Everyone wants to blame society or somebody else because they can't get it done
Do you even know how polling works? Do you think they went to every house and asked, "Ma'am are you, your husband, your son or new infant gay?".
When they say 3% of America is gay that is not saying that 3% of 370,000,000= 11,000,100 men, women and children are gay.
What is DOES MEAN is that out of the sample population that they polled 3% of them answered that they identified as being LGBT. I am pretty sure they didn't poll babies in that hahaha!
For you to say it is naive to think everyone answered truthfully is understandable, but it is also naive of you to pull a number out of your tail and say 10%. I HIGHLY doubt that 1 out of every 10 people you randomly meet anywhere in America are gay. 3 out of 100 is MUCH more likely.
Statistics must not be your strong suit.
Actually I am well aware of how statistics work considering my father is a retired college calculus and statistics professor. Any survey worth anything will state their findings such as the percentage of population over 16 that is gay is 3% and not just the percentage of the population that is gay is 3%. Think about people you know. But that isn't the point.
Let's use your 3% of population since you are hung up on that. We both agree they think that Jenner was deserving of the award. They don't think that Lauren Hill or the double amputee wasn't deserving. You say that isn't a big group. In and of itself, I would agree. You are leaving out a big portion of society. You are leaving out the portion of society like myself. A heterosexual person who supports the LGBT community's right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". SInce you like conservative estimates, lets use 30% of society fits that mold. I think it is safe to assume that 3 out of 10 people support LGBT community. That brings the total up to 33% or 1/3 of the population. Even if it is 20% of society, which would bring the total up to 25%, is that a big enough number for you. I am guessing not.
I am not saying the student in the OP deserves what she wants. We will just have to agree to disagree on the issue as a whole. I don't subscribe to your viewpoints and you don't subscribe to mine. My point still stands that different situations require different types of courage and it doesn't make anyone more or less courageous. Just different.
Those polls are used to get an estimate of the overall population...if they found out 3% of the people polled were gay, they would believe that 3% of the population were gay.
If they polled "children and babies" they'd expect to find out that 3% would say they were gay (if they could speak/answer)
It would raise the amount of people, but wouldn't raise the ratio/percentage.
Depending on which source you got to, SF is listed as anywhere from 6% to 15% of the population being homosexual based on polls. NYC is shown anywhere from 6% to 10%. Again, that is if you believe everyone answered truthfully that they are gay. I would bet those who were in the closet didn't answer truthfully.
Louisville comes in at just under 5%
Yeah, but polls are tricky for plenty of other reasons, particularly how random the sample was, wording of questions and who wants to actually spend time responding. Anecdotally, nowhere near 3% of the people I grew up with turned out to be gay and I suspect that's the case for most of the posters on this board.
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So it is possible that the number is skewed in the opposite direction as well with the percentage being lower than usual. I can say that I have found out that a greater than 3% of the people I know have come out as gay. The results would be to a smaller number if the poll was conducted in Birmingham Alabama over what the results in SF would portray. You have helped me make my argument for me. There is no way to truly know but I believe and no one will convice me otherwise that the number is closer to 10% based on the people I know and the things I see and hear.
Not getting into a pissing match, but I will leave it at this:
You claimed 10% of Anerica was gay in your opinion and were clueless as to what you were talking about since you said something about children being included and skewing the facts which isn't the case.
Secondly even if 33% of America believes that the gay community deserve their life, liberty blah blah blah that still doesn't mean that 33% of America believed BRUCE Jenner deserves that award. It was complete ******** and media driven to push the gay agenda. The award itself is not given based on an American vote and apparently is being used now to drive media bias. Look at past winners:
Muhammad Ali
Jim Valvano
Nelson Mandela
Dean Smith
Pat Tillman
Pat Summitt
Robin Roberts
And then you have
Michael Sam and BRUCE Jenner
Really? World leaders, cancer survivors and spokesman, greatest athletes of their time and world leaders and then Michael Sam and Bruce freaking Jenner.
If the award was given by a popular poll those fudge packers wouldn't have garnered 10% of the votes....combined.
So in the same thread where we're freaking out that "all" of this insanity is taking over and going to be the downfall of society, we're also arguing that it's probably even less than 3-percent of the population that is "causing" this?
Bruce is too big of a ****** to actually go all the way and get a ******. Coward.
Yeah, that's my point that such polling data is pretty ridiculous and I guess you can never really know whats going on in someone's head, but 10-20 percent is pretty absurd. I think you'll convince yourself of a more realistic percentage in the future... it will be more accepted and whatever but you'll never see one in 10 or 5 households be samesex families.
Like I said, we will have to agree to disagree. Actually every single winner of this award was media driven based on the stories of the year so why would you expect it to be different the past two years other than you don't like who the presenters of the award chose. Each winner was chosen because of what they did or went through and because they were a big story that year for whatever reason. Pat Summitt won when she was dealing with Alzheimers, etc.
Whether you agree with the selection or not, Jenner is dealing with a lot of backlash from many narrowminded individuals (dare I say yourself included) and is facing it head on. It can't be easy to do so. You can question the motivation all you want but to pinpoint that without talking to him/her would be mindreading like you so described in a previous post. Whether you like the award or not, ESPN has determined the winner. Agree with it or not as it doesnt really matter because it isnt going to change much like my opinion of Jenner and the courage I think he/she has shown in the face of hatred and bigotry.
The post above says it very well. If it is only 3% of the population and you said which isn't enough to influence things, why exactly do you care so much? Doesn't make much sense to me for you to get on your soapbox over a measely 3% of fudge packers as you called them.
1 in 10 households is different than 1 in 10 people...Take a family I know for example, they had 9 children. 2 of them were gay. That adds 2 people to the population but only 1 household. That isn't the same argument at all. I would agree that 1 in 10 households is probably not a good estimate. I still believe that 10 out of 100 people (closeted and out) is a pretty good estimate.
Curtis, it's not hatred or bigotry, people think it's ridiculous to call a man a woman just because they "feel" like one. Whats the difference between Jenner and the young lady in Washington that's claiming she identifies as being black? Everybody thinks she's an idiot, but Jenner is an inspiration?
He's got a mental disorder and he's found a way to cash in on it.
He's got a mental disorder and he's found a way to cash in on it.
If you don't think the term ************ isn't a form of bigotry, then I don't know what to tell you. It really is no different than the "n" word imo. I can't speak to the lady in Washington because I haven't researched it. I would say there are differences in that white people can dress and act black all she wants without a second look in most cases. Can you say the same thing for the guy that wants to wear a dress? You can't. The woman passed herself off as black. She didn't say anything about being born in the wrong color skin. That is the difference. If she feels black and wants to take the steps to darken her skin, more power to her. Jenner has taken the steps to do what he/she needs to be who she feels she is. If the lady in Washington wants to do the same thing, then more power to her...Jenner never attempted to fool anyone. He came forward and said this is what I am doing because this is who I am. The lady in Washington didn't until she was caught after her parents came out and said what they said.
Every group of people get called names, every single one, by every other group of people. How is ************ any different than redneck if it's used in derogatory way? Its not.
I also thought you meant if you didn't accept Jenner you were being narrow minded or a bigot, That's ridiculous.
I don't care if Jenner dresses like a woman, its his life. But hes no hero, he's earning a check.
I also thought you meant if you didn't accept Jenner you were being narrow minded or a bigot, That's ridiculous.
I don't care if Jenner dresses like a woman, its his life. But hes no hero, he's earning a check.
Please tell me you don't honestly think that redneck is on the same level as the "n" word or ************. If you honestly don't think it is, why don't you walk down a predominantly black area of town and use the word to reference to the people you see. There may be worse names to call gay individuals but that doesn't make ************ any less bigoted. You know as well as I do, redneck isn't even on the same planet as those other two terms. To say otherwise is just ludicrous.
In your eyes he is no hero. In the eyes of the 18 year old who feels the same way he does, he is a hero. That's the point I have been making. To someone, he is a hero. It might not be to you or to me, but to someone he is. That is how they feel and that is their perception. It isn't your place to tell them they are wrong. You don't have nor have you earned the right to say that to them.
Look, you're completely missing my point. It's just a word, and like I said earlier the post I was responding to never mentioned any names, just that if you didn't agree with Jenners lifestyle you were a bigot.
Why is ok to use derogatory names to be group and not another? What's the difference?
When people call you names they only have meaning if you let it. They're only words, who gives a ****. Don't get mad, feel sorry for them, you'll live a much less stressful life, trust me.
As for Jenner, why can't I feel that way about him? He's put himself out there for gain and ridicule. My over all point is this, no one is calling this female in Washington a hero, just the opposite because obviously she's got serious issues, as does Jenner. I suggest you grow thicker skin, the world is a hard place.
Why is ok to use derogatory names to be group and not another? What's the difference?
When people call you names they only have meaning if you let it. They're only words, who gives a ****. Don't get mad, feel sorry for them, you'll live a much less stressful life, trust me.
As for Jenner, why can't I feel that way about him? He's put himself out there for gain and ridicule. My over all point is this, no one is calling this female in Washington a hero, just the opposite because obviously she's got serious issues, as does Jenner. I suggest you grow thicker skin, the world is a hard place.
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It is the same thing because presumably in the future when same sex marriage is more accepted and given same legal status those individuals are going to have approximately the same proclivity to settling down and having families (adopted children or surrogates or no children married is a household). In other words those 2 of 9 kids have the same potential to go on and create 2 homosexual households as their siblings do.
10 out of 100 is probably a good estimate for Greenwich Village, but not for the whole American population. I think you are grossly overestimating because you happen to know a family like that, but in reality if it was such a large percentage as you think we all would.
10 out of 100 is probably a good estimate for Greenwich Village, but not for the whole American population. I think you are grossly overestimating because you happen to know a family like that, but in reality if it was such a large percentage as you think we all would.
Nothing is worse than an obese redneck who uses tobacco and votes conservatively. Public enemy #1. Killing America and society as we know it.
Just because they are words, it doesn't make it any less bigoted. I'm far from mad. I just call out bigotry when I see it and the term ************ is bigoted. Words form the foundations of thoughts, feelings, and actions. Bigotry is bigotry whether it is with something you say or something you do. There is no distinction.
Youre hung up on ************, yet you're the one who brought it up.
Somehow we got from not accepting Jenner being narrow minded to ************ being bigoted, which you stated not me.
Somehow we got from not accepting Jenner being narrow minded to ************ being bigoted, which you stated not me.
Actually ************ was brought up by USPSCat and I was using his words as an example of bigotry. Look above and you will see him use them which is what prompted me to use it as an example of bigotry.
I apologize, people are bigoted, every single one of us are uncomfortable with people different than ourselves in some shape or form.
In the end their words only mean something if you let them get under your skin.
In the end their words only mean something if you let them get under your skin.
My Lord. This is the Paddock and you want to get your panties/undies (depending on how you feel today I guess lol) in a wad because I called two openly gay males fudge packers? Is it an untrue statement? I probably could have described their actions with different words that would have been more Rated R vs PG-13.
Calm down little missy.
Defend it all you want. It doesn't change that it is and was a bigoted statement...My panties aren't in a bunch. That name just helps prove my point that because of things like that, in some peoples eyes why Jenner is a hero and courageous.
What makes Jenner so much more deserving of the award than Ru Paul who came out years before Bruce did? What about the number of kids and adults each day who come out? WHAT DID BRUCE JENNER DO that went above and beyond that that any other person does on a daily basis?
Pat Summitt was one of the greatest coaches of all time and fought through Alzheimer's anyway. She went above and beyond what others with the disease do.
What Jenner did might be courageous in the eyes of a FEW, but the fact is that he was given the award because being gay is cool in Hollywood right now. It is hilarious you keep defending that Jenner deserved the award just because the minority felt he was courageous.
Actually the whole concept of separate rest rooms is absurd. Also, you're lack of empathy toward transgendered people disgusts me.
I believe Jenner said he's not attracted to men. So is he gay?
So Jenner Wants to dress as a woman, be called by a female name, have surgery to appear more feminine, but keep his male sexual organs and is still going to have sex with women?
The dude sounds like he has serious issues, and instead of trying to help him, we're supposed to applaud these issues and call him a hero?
So Jenner Wants to dress as a woman, be called by a female name, have surgery to appear more feminine, but keep his male sexual organs and is still going to have sex with women?
The dude sounds like he has serious issues, and instead of trying to help him, we're supposed to applaud these issues and call him a hero?
He identifies as a woman. So she is attracted to women. So I guess essentially she is gay. Understanding transgendered people and homosexuals is difficult for heterosexuals like myself. But I have a willingness to want to understand.
You realize that while some psychologists have stated it is a mental disorder, there are physical doctors who have said it isn't a mental disorder but an actual physical condition...Why do you choose to acknowledge one over the other since both are qualified to diagnose in their respective field?