When to be offended....

[Boomboom521]

Being called a snowflake never upset me at all. I see something I don't like, I complain. Most everyone doesn't care about my discontent or listen to my complaints. But there were so many on the right that seem to act as if though the complaint itself warrants the act of defining me in some way. I don't like the loudmouth bs coming out of Trump's mouth, the degrading comments about women for example....well I'm just a "snowflake".

Yet now I'm seeing it from the right. "Let's boycott the NFL", the bashing of all that take a knee. And, of course, the reason is justified for those on the right. Because it's about respecting our nation and honoring the troops.

Now, of course trying to say that we shouldn't honor our nation or our troops is ridiculous, imo. But so is defending hate speech, isn't it? And what I've heard over and over in the wake of Charlottesville is that NO MATTER the stance/opinion it should be allowed without offense (as long as it's peaceful). Yet, it looks like the right loves the idea of shutting down expression. It just has to be expression that is offensive to them. If it isn't personally offensive to them, well then let fly. But if it is offensive, then the first amendment doesn't really matter. Seems hypocritical.

When should we get offended?

 

[Airport]

Being called a snowflake never upset me at all. I see something I don't like, I complain. Most everyone doesn't care about my discontent or listen to my complaints. But there were so many on the right that seem to act as if though the complaint itself warrants the act of defining me in some way. I don't like the loudmouth bs coming out of Trump's mouth, the degrading comments about women for example....well I'm just a "snowflake".

Yet now I'm seeing it from the right. "Let's boycott the NFL", the bashing of all that take a knee. And, of course, the reason is justified for those on the right. Because it's about respecting our nation and honoring the troops.

Now, of course trying to say that we shouldn't honor our nation or our troops is ridiculous, imo. But so is defending hate speech, isn't it? And what I've heard over and over in the wake of Charlottesville is that NO MATTER the stance/opinion it should be allowed without offense (as long as it's peaceful). Yet, it looks like the right loves the idea of shutting down expression. It just has to be expression that is offensive to them. If it isn't personally offensive to them, well then let fly. But if it is offensive, then the first amendment doesn't really matter. Seems hypocritical.

When should we get offended?

If those athletes really cared about black lives, yuo would see more community outreach and putting there money where their mouths are. Chicago is more of a problem than any hate speech that you have a problem with. Emmanuel's policies have killed more blacks than anything Trump has said.

 

[Boomboom521]

If those athletes really cared about black lives, yuo would see more community outreach and putting there money where their mouths are. Chicago is more of a problem than any hate speech that you have a problem with. Emmanuel's policies have killed more blacks than anything Trump has said.

So I guess for you, as long as someone really cares about the cause, they can express their opinion....no matter the opinion.....but if they don't really do anything else in action, their expression is bs and should be shut down?

I would agree with the sentiment that you should walk the walk. I hate barking dogs. But I would say that many kneeling are involved in community outreach. I'd also say that most probably (esp with the relentless coverage) feel that kneeling is having more of an impact than other actions could have.

 

[Mntneer]

Being called a snowflake never upset me at all. I see something I don't like, I complain. Most everyone doesn't care about my discontent or listen to my complaints. But there were so many on the right that seem to act as if though the complaint itself warrants the act of defining me in some way. I don't like the loudmouth bs coming out of Trump's mouth, the degrading comments about women for example....well I'm just a "snowflake".

Yet now I'm seeing it from the right. "Let's boycott the NFL", the bashing of all that take a knee. And, of course, the reason is justified for those on the right. Because it's about respecting our nation and honoring the troops.

Now, of course trying to say that we shouldn't honor our nation or our troops is ridiculous, imo. But so is defending hate speech, isn't it? And what I've heard over and over in the wake of Charlottesville is that NO MATTER the stance/opinion it should be allowed without offense (as long as it's peaceful). Yet, it looks like the right loves the idea of shutting down expression. It just has to be expression that is offensive to them. If it isn't personally offensive to them, well then let fly. But if it is offensive, then the first amendment doesn't really matter. Seems hypocritical.

When should we get offended?

It should be pretty simple. Everyone should be entitled to their own personal opinions and beliefs, and shouldn't be forced to alter those opinions and beliefs to appease the masses.

The one thing however that sets the Charlottesville protesters apart from the players taking a knee, is that the players are taking a knee on someone else's dime. And owners of the team have the right to expect behavior out of their "employees" that won't have a negative impact on their ability to conduct business. So if the owners are fine with it, then they should be left to kneel all they want.

 

[Airport]

So I guess for you, as long as someone really cares about the cause, they can express their opinion....no matter the opinion.....but if they don't really do anything else in action, their expression is bs and should be shut down?

I would agree with the sentiment that you should walk the walk. I hate barking dogs. But I would say that many kneeling are involved in community outreach. I'd also say that most probably (esp with the relentless coverage) feel that kneeling is having more of an impact than other actions could have.

Selective outrage. This problem started long time ago and was really whipped up under the real racist Obama. Cville was a prime example of liberal screw up by a libealr town and mayor. Both of those fascist sides should have been kept apart. How many Bear players protest the major and his ambivalence towards blacks that are being killed like checkens at a slaughter house?

 

[Boomboom521]

It should be pretty simple. Everyone should be entitled to their own personal opinions and beliefs, and shouldn't be forced to alter those opinions and beliefs to appease the masses.

The one thing however that sets the Charlottesville protesters apart from the players taking a knee, is that the players are taking a knee on someone else's dime. And owners of the team have the right to expect behavior out of their "employees" that won't have a negative impact on their ability to conduct business. So if the owners are fine with it, then they should be left to kneel all they want.

I saw owners out there. I also think this latest escalation gets Kaepernick a job.

 

[Airport]

So I guess for you, as long as someone really cares about the cause, they can express their opinion....no matter the opinion.....but if they don't really do anything else in action, their expression is bs and should be shut down?

I would agree with the sentiment that you should walk the walk. I hate barking dogs. But I would say that many kneeling are involved in community outreach. I'd also say that most probably (esp with the relentless coverage) feel that kneeling is having more of an impact than other actions could have.

Trump needs to listen to Karl Rove more. The PResident should be aspirational, not confrontational. We aren't perfect, we try to get right and make things better.

 

[Airport]

I saw owners out there. I also think this latest escalation gets Kaepernick a job.

Maybe Emmanuel will hire him to police the south side. He can what real problems are.

 

[WVUBRU]

It should be pretty simple. Everyone should be entitled to their own personal opinions and beliefs, and shouldn't be forced to alter those opinions and beliefs to appease the masses.

The one thing however that sets the Charlottesville protesters apart from the players taking a knee, is that the players are taking a knee on someone else's dime. And owners of the team have the right to expect behavior out of their "employees" that won't have a negative impact on their ability to conduct business. So if the owners are fine with it, then they should be left to kneel all they want.

You should've stopped after the first paragraph. Idiots, especially this president should learn how to respect those that may disagree but still within legal limits and under their own personal rights instead of acting like spoiled brats bitching about others. Nah, right wing nuts rather throw gas on a fire and remain divisive. Whackos do it well.

 

[WVUBRU]

One of my good friends coaches hs basketball and forced his players and assistant coaches to stand during the anthem last year amid much turmoil. He isn't going to be able to force it this year and field a team. He has slowly learned one cannot force beliefs onto others but instead listen to others, understand their points, work to create an environment in which is based on mutual respect and not to lose sight of the underlying problem that leads to the disagreement while not adding to the problem. Exactly what the president and conservatives need to learn. But they won't.

 

[bornaneer]

You should've stopped after the first paragraph. Idiots, especially this president should learn how to respect those that may disagree but still within legal limits and under their own personal rights instead of acting like spoiled brats bitching about others. Nah, right wing nuts rather throw gas on a fire and remain divisive. Whackos do it well.

You mean sports players like LeBron,Curry,Durant,Kaeperdick and several others did long before the weekend Trump tweets? I must have missed seeing them expressing their social issue concerns to the previous POTUS......In fact they all seemed to have a grand time visiting the WH. This latest flap is mostly about Trump. And..... yes....Trump should learn to kept is mouth shut.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

The players/NFL should call them Freedom Kneels. Their branding has been horrible.

 

[Boomboom521]

You should've stopped after the first paragraph. Idiots, especially this president should learn how to respect those that may disagree but still within legal limits and under their own personal rights instead of acting like spoiled brats bitching about others. Nah, right wing nuts rather throw gas on a fire and remain divisive. Whackos do it well.

I agree with the fact that the right loves to fuel fires, and then most have the audacity to act like they are trying to build bridges. They love it when it's one team versus the other. Simple

 

[Boomboom521]

The players/NFL should call them Freedom Kneels. Their branding has been horrible.

I thought no the right is VERY good at branding too. Bigly.

 

[Boomboom521]

You mean sports players like LeBron,Curry,Durant,Kaeperdick and several others did long before the weekend Trump tweets? I must have missed seeing them expressing their social issue concerns to the previous POTUS......In fact they all seemed to have a grand time visiting the WH. This latest flap is mostly about Trump. And..... yes....Trump should learn to kept is mouth shut.

See....I agree with people being a little more action rather than talk. But you can't deny the impact Kaepernick's actions have had can you? You are right to call Trump out for making it worse.

 

[Boomboom521]

One of my good friends coaches hs basketball and forced his players and assistant coaches to stand during the anthem last year amid much turmoil. He isn't going to be able to force it this year and field a team. He has slowly learned one cannot force beliefs onto others but instead listen to others, understand their points, work to create an environment in which is based on mutual respect and not to lose sight of the underlying problem that leads to the disagreement while not adding to the problem. Exactly what the president and conservatives need to learn. But they won't.

It's tough for anyone to force perspective. Understanding perspectives different than your own isn't impossible, but it takes much more comprehensive study and a lot of listening to get there. I wish more people tried.

 

[bornaneer]

See....I agree with people being a little more action rather than talk. But you can't deny the impact Kaepernick's actions have had can you? You are right to call Trump out for making it worse.

Thanks....but I think Kaeperdicks actions have been more divisive than constructive. If Trump was smart he would invite all in for a "beer summit'.

 

[bornaneer]

I agree with the fact that the right loves to fuel fires, and then most have the audacity to act like they are trying to build bridges. They love it when it's one team versus the other. Simple

Can we agree that both left and right love to "fuel fires" when it fits their agenda? This thread is disintegrating into a left,right,liberal and conservative discourse. We are all guilty.

 

[WVUBRU]

Thanks....but I think Kaeperdicks actions have been more divisive than constructive. If Trump was smart he would invite all in for a "beer summit'.

Kapernick has done nothing to be divisive. You have perceived his actions that way. Kneeling in silent protest is not divisive but rather it is his personal expression.

I commented on this a year ago. I disliked the sitting and stated that isn't right but I respected his right to protest. I still feel the same and much prefer seeing them kneel rather than sit. And yes, since Trump made that comment on Friday and nuts like you reacting in the manner you are doing, I support their protest even more as it is now against suppression of speech attempted by small minded conservatives.

 

[Mntneer]

Thanks....but I think Kaeperdicks actions have been more divisive than constructive. If Trump was smart he would invite all in for a "beer summit'.

I predicted a year ago. Nothing good was going to come of these "protests", and nothing has.

You have the right to your opinions and beliefs... others have the right to call you out on them.

 

[bornaneer]

Kapernick has done nothing to be divisive. You have perceived his actions that way. Kneeling in silent protest is not divisive but rather it is his personal expression.

I commented on this a year ago. I disliked the sitting and stated that isn't right but I respected his right to protest. I still feel the same and much prefer seeing them kneel rather than sit. And yes, since Trump made that comment on Friday and nuts like you reacting in the manner you are doing, I support their protest even more as it is now against suppression of speech attempted by small minded conservatives.

Idiot....you are such a small minded moron......or should I say "nut".

 

[Mntneer]

Kapernick has done nothing to be divisive. You have perceived his actions that way. Kneeling in silent protest is not divisive but rather it is his personal expression.

I commented on this a year ago. I disliked the sitting and stated that isn't right but I respected his right to protest. I still feel the same and much prefer seeing them kneel rather than sit. And yes, since Trump made that comment on Friday and nuts like you reacting in the manner you are doing, I support their protest even more as it is now against suppression of speech attempted by small minded conservatives.

Kneeling during the national anthem, something that many hold dear, is an action that is divisive to some. Just because it may not be to you and I, doesn't mean it isn't to millions of others.

 

[WVUBRU]

Kneeling during the national anthem, something that many hold dear, is an action that is divisive to some. Just because it may not be to you and I, doesn't mean it isn't to millions of others.

Right, it is how the action is perceived. That is what i said.

 

[bornaneer]

Right, it is how the action is perceived. That is what i said.

Why did you disagree with Kaeperdicks kneeling?

 

[WVUBRU]

Why did you disagree with Kaeperdicks kneeling?

I didn't. You can't read.

I said I disliked the sitting. I don't disagree with either sitting or kneeling as I understand their perspective and respect their right to do so. I wouldn't do it but no one cares about me.

 

[Boomboom521]

Thanks....but I think Kaeperdicks actions have been more divisive than constructive. If Trump was smart he would invite all in for a "beer summit'.

I didn't say they were constructive, just that they have an impact.

 

[bornaneer]

I didn't. You can't read.

I said I disliked the sitting. I don't disagree with either sitting or kneeling as I understand their perspective and respect their right to do so. I wouldn't do it but no one cares about me.

Here is you quote: "I disliked the sitting and stated that isn't right but I respected his right to protest."
Most people would take disliked and isn't right to have a negative connotation.

 

[bornaneer]

I didn't say they were constructive, just that they have an impact.

thats why I inserted "but".

 

[Boomboom521]

Can we agree that both left and right love to "fuel fires" when it fits their agenda? This thread is disintegrating into a left,right,liberal and conservative discourse. We are all guilty.

I think so. I guess the hypocrisy seems to echo louder from the right.....either because I'm left.....or because the right throws around words like snowflake and ***** so much

 

[Boomboom521]

I predicted a year ago. Nothing good was going to come of these "protests", and nothing has.

You have the right to your opinions and beliefs... others have the right to call you out on them.

As long as that sentiment goes both ways I agree. But it doesn't seem to go both ways at all, imo. I'd love to see Kaepernick speak on a college campus right now, I bet the protests against it would be welcomed by the right.

 

[Boomboom521]

Kneeling during the national anthem, something that many hold dear, is an action that is divisive to some. Just because it may not be to you and I, doesn't mean it isn't to millions of others.

Apply that same logic to confederate statues please.

 

[Boomboom521]

Idiot....you are such a small minded moron......or should I say "nut".

I would argue that flying a confederate flag over a courthouse, or fighting to prevent the removal of confederate statues can be divisive as well.

 

[bornaneer]

I think so. I guess the hypocrisy seems to echo louder from the right.....either because I'm left.....or because the right throws around words like snowflake and ***** so much

Hell...I confused about the term "snowflake". I've never used it it but I've seen it lobbed from both left and right on this OT board.

 

[Boomboom521]

Hell...I confused about the term "snowflake". I've never used it it but I've seen it lobbed from both left and right on this OT board.

My understanding was that it was a term used to describe liberals who were upset by non-pc language. And I know many liberals on here began using it as a mockery of rightwing "toughness".

 

[bornaneer]

I would argue that flying a confederate flag over a courthouse, or fighting to prevent the removal of confederate statues can be divisive as well.

It certainly is to me and I have ALWAYS felt that way....going back to my first history class in the forth grade. Never could figure what was right about about honoring traitors. I just though it was just one of those southern redneck Democrat things.

 

[Mntneer]

Apply that same logic to confederate statues please.

I do. Evenly.

 

[TarHeelEer]

He isn't going to be able to force it this year and field a team.

Easy answer. Stick by your convictions, don't field a team.

 

[dave]

Being called a snowflake never upset me at all. I see something I don't like, I complain. Most everyone doesn't care about my discontent or listen to my complaints. But there were so many on the right that seem to act as if though the complaint itself warrants the act of defining me in some way. I don't like the loudmouth bs coming out of Trump's mouth, the degrading comments about women for example....well I'm just a "snowflake".

Yet now I'm seeing it from the right. "Let's boycott the NFL", the bashing of all that take a knee. And, of course, the reason is justified for those on the right. Because it's about respecting our nation and honoring the troops.

Now, of course trying to say that we shouldn't honor our nation or our troops is ridiculous, imo. But so is defending hate speech, isn't it? And what I've heard over and over in the wake of Charlottesville is that NO MATTER the stance/opinion it should be allowed without offense (as long as it's peaceful). Yet, it looks like the right loves the idea of shutting down expression. It just has to be expression that is offensive to them. If it isn't personally offensive to them, well then let fly. But if it is offensive, then the first amendment doesn't really matter. Seems hypocritical.

When should we get offended?

I dont think all speech should be allowed without offense. I just dont think taking offense to something should allow the government to infringe on the right. I dont think free speech should mean zero consequences but those consequences should not be the govt. taking away your rights.

So be offended when you are offended and speak out as long as you are willing to deal with any repercussion.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

If those athletes really cared about black lives, yuo would see more community outreach and putting there money where their mouths are.

You mean like this?

https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/201...illion-dollar-pledge-charity-latest-donations

 

[Boomboom521]

thats why I inserted "but".

I was just making sure you understood my post. I like the action of protesting the flag or anthem. It seems very American to me. That there is no blind loyalty to our government, that's as American as one can get.

The problem, imo, is when we've now associated the flag with our troops. And by dishonoring the flag or anthem, we are dishonoring the troops. That's where is goes to a place that makes it tough for me to support. If a solider that put his life, his well being (mental as well as physical) on the line sees the action and feels that the person doesn't appreciate what they've done.....that is wrong to me, and I'd never want to make a soldier feel that way (a reason why so many on here probably take it so personally).

But I don't think that is a goal of his action, or even something Kaepernick doesn't care about. I think he is trying a mere political statement that has nothing to do with trivializing our freedoms or disrespecting those that served.

I'd say this, it's my flag too, it's Kaepernick's, it's every soldiers, it's every American's anthem and flag....it's no more a soldiers than it is mine. I will always shake the hand of someone in uniform and thank them. I will always donate to wounded warriors, I will always respect their service. But it's my flag and anthem too. If I feel our nation is in distress....maybe I choose to hang the flag upside down, or kneel during the anthem.