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pawrstlersinpa

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Okay, @El_Jefe, I'm just going to start this thread, as I know you're itching for the info and have planning to do. If the threads from Rivals get migrated, maybe this can be melded in with the old travel thread.

Here are the pics: 275 Croatia Pictures. In large part, you should be able to follow the pics as you read below.

We started in Zagreb, then headed to Slunj (A river runs through this town, and just pours out of every nook and cranny. Our house that night was on/in the river.) for one night, then to Plitvice for a day. Then headed to the coast. Zadar, then Sibenik each one night. From Sibenik, took the seanic (see what I did there?) route to Split and stayed in Split for two nights. Then drove to Propratno and took a ferry to the island of Mljet, where we stayed for one night. Finished out the trip by staying in Cavtat, just south of Dubrovnik, for two nights.

Plitvice: Multiple paths you can take to walk around various parts of the National Park. A river runs through the park, and again pours over multiple levels of lakes with clearest blue water you've ever seen. Tour H, which we took, was about 5.5 miles of walking, broken up by a boat ride across one of the lakes. Culminated in a view of the largest waterfall in the park. This is where we saw our first PSU shirt, a guy from England, who had a buddy who went to PSU.

Zadar: Almayer Art and Heritage Hotel. Great place but the room had a loft bedroom, so you need to be mobile. Had a great hideaway garden dining area for breakfast. Dinner: Konoba Sklobar, excellent food, excellent location on a square in the old town. Found an app called Voicemap, which has narrated walking tours of all of the towns/cities we visited. You don't get the personal interaction that you do with a human guide, but you also don't have to be on a schedule. Recommend: sunset at the Sea Organ. Skip, except that you're already right there for sunset: Greeting to the Sun.

Krka NP: On the way to Sibenik, we stopped at the lower end of Krka. Took the boat ride from Skradin to the landing area and walked to the falls. If you're not going to Plitvice, then I'd say do this. Jefe, since you're going late in the year, you might want to investigate skipping the boat from Skradin, and driving to Lozovac. I believe there is a bus from there that drops you at a wooden boardwalk that takes you to the falls. Depending on the weather that time of year, you might be better off skipping the boat.

Sibenik: Armerun Heritage Hotel. Took an evening tour of the old town. Once again, narrow walkways, stuff that's older than our country by a factor of three. Like a lot of eastern Europe, it seems like at some point, everybody and their brother decided that opening a restaurant was a good idea. Small restaurants and shops everywhere. Mrs.PA was thrilled to find that they were hosting an international children's arts festival, so there were kids' art projects strung up all over old town. They were setting up for some kind of kids performance in front of City Hall, built in 1530ish. Just a great setting. Great dinner on the waterfront next to the hotel at Bronzin.

Sibenik to Split: Took the seaward route and stopped in Primosten. Big, dumb mistake here. We walked around this peninsula which had beaches all around, but I didn't realize that the next peninsula over was the old town. We left town without stepping foot in the old town, and didn't realize it until we were on a hilltop across the bay. I didn't feel like driving back into town, so this is definitely a spot we'll hit next time around.

Kept running down the coast to Trogir, another of the well known old towns. Used the tour app for a tour of the town, and grabbed lunch in a little place off the main square. MrsDW got squid. Not calamari, but the whole damn, big squid. It was fine, but I think I'm off squid for life now. I've never seen the point of calamari and this just cemented it: I don't need squid in my life. I however, ordered ravioli, which is when I realized Croatians do pasta pretty well.

Split: First two-night stay. Probably the second or third most visited tourist town, and the second largest city in Croatia. AirBnB here was inside of the old town. No cars allowed, so we had to roll our suitcases in with us. Once again, medieval old town charm, with a history dating to the Greeks in the 4th century. Old town is built around Diocletian's Palace, and just seems to go on forever. You'd take a picture of a beautiful narrow alleyway, only to take 20 steps and see another alleyway that much more intriguing. Shops and restaurants galore. Restaurant: Konoba Marjan. Make a reservation.

Full day boat tour, visiting Blue Cave, Hvar, and went swimming off the boat a couple of times. We only had time to grab lunch in Hvar, so this is another where we'd spend more time the next time around. Just beautiful.

Split to Mljet: Stopped in Omis. @El_Jefe, I really recommend a stop here. Quite possibly the most beautiful town on the trip, and quite possibly the most overlooked. The Omis River runs between two mountains into the Adriatic here, and it is gorgeous. You can go from sea level to a few thousand feet in a matter of a couple of miles. I don't know how well you get around, but if you're able, walk up to the Mirabella Fortress. Keep going up and up until you get to a building, then climb the ladder inside for a spectacular view of the town. Omis is not the easiest place to get to off of the highway, but worth it, in my mind.

Ferried to the island of Mljet, where we stayed one night, and went to the national park there. Took a boat tour to an old monastery, which was on an island, so we were on an island in a lake on an island.

Mljet to Cavtat: Cavtat is a town just south of Dubrovnik, and minutes from the airport. Since we had an early flight the day we were leaving, I figured it would be a good place to stay. LOL, I hit the jackpot with this place. It was a quiet little town, and the hotel was in a little inlet off the main water, and it was spectacular. Pics 163122 and 163225 were taken out the windows of our room. The only bad part was our room was number 7, and there were only two rooms per floor in the hotel, so it was 113 steps from street level to our room, but I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Casa Antika Suites on Booking.com.

Took a water taxi from Cavtat to Dubrovnik for the day. Walked the entire perimeter of the old town walls. Spectacular, unique views of the old town, the sea and Fort Bokar. Honestly, we were pretty much walked out from the week, so when we got to the end of the wall walk, we looked at Fort Bokar, and said, "This is as close as we're getting." @jtothemfp, there's a cliff jump at Buza Bar, right outside the old city walls, that's 65-70 feet high. Unfortunately, MrsPA missed the picture of me making the leap, so you're going to have to make up for it. Cavtat dinner: Konobo Galija.

@El_Jefe, Omis is a 45 minutes drive from Split, or it's on the way between Dubrovnik and Split. I'd try to make it there. In fact, if you got off the highway on Route 70, you could get into Omis, then drive up the coast to Split from there.

Split to Sibenik is an hour by highway or an hour and forty five minutes by the coastal route. You might consider one day of the coast route to Trogir and Primosten. Then, another day by highway to Sibenik. I saw you said someone compared it to the coastal highway, but really, it's the coastal highway with islands the whole way. Much better than the coastal, IMO, and with wildly blue water. If you go to Primosten, take lots of pictures and send some to me, since I screwed up and didn't even go.

I had language barrier issues one time, the first night at the room in the water. I can usually say to people, "Your English is better than my _______." Not so, in this case. That woman didn't speak a lick of English, I don't believe. And, walked into a grocery one evening, pulled up my translation app for "sunscreen." I showed it to a woman stocking the shelves. She looked disgusted and said, "Over by the cash registers." I think she said, "Stupid American," after I walked away.
 
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El_Jefe

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Okay, @El_Jefe, I'm just going to start this thread, as I know you're itching for the info and have planning to do. If the threads from Rivals get migrated, maybe this can be melded in with the old travel thread.

Here are the pics: 275 Croatia Pictures. In large part, you should be able to follow the pics as you read below.

We started in Zagreb, then headed to Slunj (A river runs through this town, and just pours out of every nook and cranny. Our house that night was on/in the river.) for one night, then to Plitvice for a day. Then headed to the coast. Zadar, then Sibenik each one night. From Sibenik, took the seanic (see what I did there?) route to Split and stayed in Split for two nights. Then drove to Propratno and took a ferry to the island of Mljet, where we stayed for one night. Finished out the trip by staying in Cavtat, just south of Dubrovnik, for two nights.

Plitvice: Multiple paths you can take to walk around various parts of the National Park. A river runs through the park, and again pours over multiple levels of lakes with clearest blue water you've ever seen. Tour H, which we took, was about 5.5 miles of walking, broken up by a boat ride across one of the lakes. Culminated in a view of the largest waterfall in the park. This is where we saw our first PSU shirt, a guy from England, who had a buddy who went to PSU.

Zadar: Almayer Art and Heritage Hotel. Great place but the room had a loft bedroom, so you need to be mobile. Had a great hideaway garden dining area for breakfast. Dinner: Konoba Sklobar, excellent food, excellent location on a square in the old town. Found an app called Voicemap, which has narrated walking tours of all of the towns/cities we visited. You don't get the personal interaction that you do with a human guide, but you also don't have to be on a schedule. Recommend: sunset at the Sea Organ. Skip, except that you're already right there for sunset: Greeting to the Sun.

Krka NP: On the way to Sibenik, we stopped at the lower end of Krka. Took the boat ride from Skradin to the landing area and walked to the falls. If you're not going to Plitvice, then I'd say do this. Jefe, since you're going late in the year, you might want to investigate skipping the boat from Skradin, and driving to Lozovac. I believe there is a bus from there that drops you at a wooden boardwalk that takes you to the falls. Depending on the weather that time of year, you might be better off skipping the boat.

Sibenik: Armerun Heritage Hotel. Took an evening tour of the old town. Once again, narrow walkways, stuff that's older than our country by a factor of three. Like a lot of eastern Europe, it seems like at some point, everybody and their brother decided that opening a restaurant was a good idea. Small restaurants and shops everywhere. Mrs.PA was thrilled to find that they were hosting an international children's arts festival, so there were kids' art projects strung up all over old town. They were setting up for some kind of kids performance in front of City Hall, built in 1530ish. Just a great setting. Great dinner on the waterfront next to the hotel at Bronzin.

Sibenik to Split: Took the seaward route and stopped in Primosten. Big, dumb mistake here. We walked around this peninsula which had beaches all around, but I didn't realize that the next peninsula over was the old town. We left town without stepping foot in the old town, and didn't realize it until we were on a hilltop across the bay. I didn't feel like driving back into town, so this is definitely a spot we'll hit next time around.

Kept running down the coast to Trogir, another of the well known old towns. Used the tour app for a tour of the town, and grabbed lunch in a little place off the main square. MrsDW got squid. Not calamari, but the whole damn, big squid. It was fine, but I think I'm off squid for life now. I've never seen the point of calamari and this just cemented it: I don't need squid in my life. I however, ordered ravioli, which is when I realized Croatians do pasta pretty well.

Split: First two-night stay. Probably the second or third most visited tourist town, and the second largest city in Croatia. AirBnB here was inside of the old town. No cars allowed, so we had to roll our suitcases in with us. Once again, medieval old town charm, with a history dating to the Greeks in the 4th century. Old town is built around Diocletian's Palace, and just seems to go on forever. You'd take a picture of a beautiful narrow alleyway, only to take 20 steps and see another alleyway that much more intriguing. Shops and restaurants galore. Restaurant: Konoba Marjan. Make a reservation.

Full day boat tour, visiting Blue Cave, Hvar, and went swimming off the boat a couple of times. We only had time to grab lunch in Hvar, so this is another where we'd spend more time the next time around. Just beautiful.

Split to Mljet: Stopped in Omis. @El_Jefe, I really recommend a stop here. Quite possibly the most beautiful town on the trip, and quite possibly the most overlooked. The Omis River runs between two mountains into the Adriatic here, and it is gorgeous. You can go from sea level to a few thousand feet in a matter of a couple of miles. I don't know how well you get around, but if you're able, walk up to the Mirabella Fortress. Keep going up and up until you get to a building, then climb the ladder inside for a spectacular view of the town. Omis is not the easiest place to get to off of the highway, but worth it, in my mind.

Ferried to the island of Mljet, where we stayed one night, and went to the national park there. Took a boat tour to an old monastery, which was on an island, so we were on an island in a lake on an island.

Mljet to Cavtat: Cavtat is a town just south of Dubrovnik, and minutes from the airport. Since we had an early flight the day we were leaving, I figured it would be a good place to stay. LOL, I hit the jackpot with this place. It was a quiet little town, and the hotel was in a little inlet off the main water, and it was spectacular. Pics 163122 and 163225 were taken out the windows of our room. The only bad part was our room was number 7, and there were only two rooms per floor in the hotel, so it was 113 steps from street level to our room, but I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Casa Antika Suites on Booking.com.

Took a water taxi from Cavtat to Dubrovnik for the day. Walked the entire perimeter of the old town walls. Spectacular, unique views of the old town, the sea and Fort Bokar. Honestly, we were pretty much walked out from the week, so when we got to the end of the wall walk, we looked at Fort Bokar, and said, "This is as close as we're getting." @jtothemfp, there's a cliff jump at Buza Bar, right outside the old city walls, that's 65-70 feet high. Unfortunately, MrsPA missed the picture of me making the leap, so you're going to have to make up for it. Cavtat dinner: Konobo Galija.

@El_Jefe, Omis is a 45 minutes drive from Split, or it's on the way between Dubrovnik and Split. I'd try to make it there. In fact, if you got off the highway on Route 70, you could get into Omis, then drive up the coast to Split from there.

Split to Sibenik is an hour by highway or an hour and forty five minutes by the coastal route. You might consider one day of the coast route to Trogir and Primosten. Then, another day by highway to Sibenik. I saw you said someone compared it to the coastal highway, but really, it's the coastal highway with islands the whole way. Much better than the coastal, IMO, and with wildly blue water. If you go to Primosten, take lots of pictures and send some to me, since I screwed up and didn't even go.

I had language barrier issues one time, the first night at the room in the water. I can usually say to people, "Your _____ is better than my English." Not so, in this case. That woman didn't speak a lick of English, I don't believe. And, walked into a grocery one evening, pulled up my translation app for "sunscreen." I showed it to a woman stocking the shelves. She looked disgusted and said, "Over by the cash registers." I think she said, "Stupid American," after I walked away.
Nice pics! Well, except for the Jason Kelce pose.

Seriously, looks like a great trip! And lots of good ideas for ours. Appreciated.
 

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Thanks for posting this, I really enjoyed your narrative and photos! Your photos are beautiful and really captured the essence of your experience. Looks like a fantastic country and trip. Such natural beauty and so much history and character in the towns.

I might have missed this in your post, but a few questions:
  • Early on you visited what looked like an amazing fresh water lake, and it was clear, turquoise, and beautiful. Where was that and any idea why so blue? Beautiful spot!
  • In one of the towns you visited, looked like at a church, there was a poster of men's head shots. Were they victims of Yugoslav regime? Just curious what that was.
  • Most of the food you photographed looked amazing. Simple, clean, and fresh. But later in the trip you showed a few dishes that didn't look too appetizing. Something covered in a brown gravy/sauce. What the hell was that and was it good?
Lastly, as an urban and regional planner I love viewing photos of these beautiful towns and public spaces, but a little bit of jealousy and anger creeps in. While the US has it's impressive spots, generally our development pattern is just plain ugly and uninspired. I just can't understand why we can't do better here creating places/spaces like that.
 

pawrstlersinpa

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Nice pics! Well, except for the Jason Kelce pose.

Seriously, looks like a great trip! And lots of good ideas for ours. Appreciated.
MrsPA has a penchant for requesting too many photos. I had been pushed beyond my limit at that point in the day, so she got Kelce.
 

pawrstlersinpa

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Thanks for posting this, I really enjoyed your narrative and photos! Your photos are beautiful and really captured the essence of your experience. Looks like a fantastic country and trip. Such natural beauty and so much history and character in the towns.

I might have missed this in your post, but a few questions:
  • Early on you visited what looked like an amazing fresh water lake, and it was clear, turquoise, and beautiful. Where was that and any idea why so blue? Beautiful spot!
  • In one of the towns you visited, looked like at a church, there was a poster of men's head shots. Were they victims of Yugoslav regime? Just curious what that was.
  • Most of the food you photographed looked amazing. Simple, clean, and fresh. But later in the trip you showed a few dishes that didn't look too appetizing. Something covered in a brown gravy/sauce. What the hell was that and was it good?
Lastly, as an urban and regional planner I love viewing photos of these beautiful towns and public spaces, but a little bit of jealousy and anger creeps in. While the US has it's impressive spots, generally our development pattern is just plain ugly and uninspired. I just can't understand why we can't do better here creating places/spaces like that.
Plitvice National Park. Crystal clear water in the river that flows through there flows over limestone and dolomite (a carbonate), and dissolves calcium carbonate. That stuff in the water, plus some algae and microorganisms turn that blue in the sunlight. The color is really amazing. Some of the pics show how clear the water is, despite the blue-green color.

Good catch, and grasp of the history, on the head shots. Hard to see the dates on the plaques, but many of them were born around 1970, and were killed in 1991-92, during the fight for Croatia's independence from Yugoslavia. Not that long ago, really.

We didn't have a bad meal, even the squid (pic 143713). Since we were next to the Adriatic most of the trip, we at a lot of seafood. The brown stuff you are talking about, pic 121045, was a Croatian beef dish. It's braised beef, served with homemade gnocchi. It marinates overnight in a red wine marinade, and is slow cooked in a bunch of spices. Delicious, despite the look. Oh, wait, maybe you're talking about pic 181600? That's black risotto with cuttlefish. It's slightly briny, because they use the ink of the cuttlefish (pretty much a squid) for the coloring of the rice. It was pretty good, but you have to be prepared for the brininess.

Here are some more tidbits:
  • There is no artificial light in the cave in the pics around 103014. That is sunlight that enters an underwater entrance to the cave and lights the entire cave up in that blue light.
  • The lighting under the boats in pic 215755 is artificial, but it's white light. The sea is just so blue that it lights up like that.
  • See the boat in pic 180323? That is the Lunasea, and you can rent it for just 800,000 euros -------per week in the summer time. You can probably get a break in the winter, though.
  • No one asked about the girl walking on the tightrope in pic 202430? She was practicing for the Paris 2025 Slackline Championships. Her slackline was suspended probably 50 to 60 feet above the rocky river below. She had a tip box there, explaining what she was doing, so I gave her a couple of Euros.
  • Pic 130528 is a picture of oyster lines. You can take a boat tour which takes you out to those lines, and they pull up one of those lines, pull the oysters off, and you have an oyster in your mouth a matter of seconds from harvest. MrsPA isn't an oyster fan, so we didn't partake, but if you're into oysters, it's probably worthwhile.
 
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pawrstlersinpa

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Thanks for posting this, I really enjoyed your narrative and photos! Your photos are beautiful and really captured the essence of your experience. Looks like a fantastic country and trip. Such natural beauty and so much history and character in the towns.

I might have missed this in your post, but a few questions:
  • Early on you visited what looked like an amazing fresh water lake, and it was clear, turquoise, and beautiful. Where was that and any idea why so blue? Beautiful spot!
  • In one of the towns you visited, looked like at a church, there was a poster of men's head shots. Were they victims of Yugoslav regime? Just curious what that was.
  • Most of the food you photographed looked amazing. Simple, clean, and fresh. But later in the trip you showed a few dishes that didn't look too appetizing. Something covered in a brown gravy/sauce. What the hell was that and was it good?
Lastly, as an urban and regional planner I love viewing photos of these beautiful towns and public spaces, but a little bit of jealousy and anger creeps in. While the US has it's impressive spots, generally our development pattern is just plain ugly and uninspired. I just can't understand why we can't do better here creating places/spaces like that.
I haven't studied this, but many of the sites in Croatia are UNESCO World Heritage sites. Ongoing protection of these sites is a criteria for selection, which might answer your discussion about US development.
 
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Thanks for the story PA, it brought back a ton of memories.
In the mid 70s I spent 4 months touring Europe on a used BMW motorcycle that I bought from an ad in a motorcycle publication while staying at a B&B in London at the beginning of the trip. I roamed around England for 2 weeks while waiting for the registration/insurance paperwork to come back from Swansea in Wales and then ferried to France. Fell in love with Paris under the guidance of a friend that I had met at a street vendors stand in New Orleans some years before. I don't want to turn this into a detailed, long story so; from Paris I traveled south to Nice and Monaco.
From there took the Autostrada into Italy for 2 weeks of touring/sightseeing and then to Ancona for a 26 hour ferry ride across the Adriatic to the Peloponnese at the southern end of Greece. Ended up wandering around Greece for almost 3 weeks after stumbling onto a magical campground in the mouth of a horseshoe bay on the Aegean Sea. My plan (loosely held) was to travel the entire "Dalmatian Coast" from Greece to Austria not realizing that You couldn't enter/pass through) Albania. This meant leaving the coast for an inland route around Albania. Somewhat hazardous and unkept roadways. As you can tell,I survived. The trip along the coast of what was then Yugoslavia, was spectacular. Learned what "Squatters (toilets) were and that scorpions liked them, Only really left the coast for a tour of Plitvice due to a recommendation from a Norwegian gent camped next to me.
For the sake of brevity I'll skip over the details of traveling through Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg and back across France to the ferry to England. My plan was to return to the B&B in London and placing an ad in the paper to sell the bike. I then went to the Atlantic Coast to catch a ferry to Ireland to explore for a couple of weeks before returning to London. The bike sold to the first person answering my ad for the same amount ($1,800.) that I had paid for it!

 

pawrstlersinpa

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Thanks for the story PA, it brought back a ton of memories.
In the mid 70s I spent 4 months touring Europe on a used BMW motorcycle that I bought from an ad in a motorcycle publication while staying at a B&B in London at the beginning of the trip. I roamed around England for 2 weeks while waiting for the registration/insurance paperwork to come back from Swansea in Wales and then ferried to France. Fell in love with Paris under the guidance of a friend that I had met at a street vendors stand in New Orleans some years before. I don't want to turn this into a detailed, long story so; from Paris I traveled south to Nice and Monaco.
From there took the Autostrada into Italy for 2 weeks of touring/sightseeing and then to Ancona for a 26 hour ferry ride across the Adriatic to the Peloponnese at the southern end of Greece. Ended up wandering around Greece for almost 3 weeks after stumbling onto a magical campground in the mouth of a horseshoe bay on the Aegean Sea. My plan (loosely held) was to travel the entire "Dalmatian Coast" from Greece to Austria not realizing that You couldn't enter/pass through) Albania. This meant leaving the coast for an inland route around Albania. Somewhat hazardous and unkept roadways. As you can tell,I survived. The trip along the coast of what was then Yugoslavia, was spectacular. Learned what "Squatters (toilets) were and that scorpions liked them, Only really left the coast for a tour of Plitvice due to a recommendation from a Norwegian gent camped next to me.
For the sake of brevity I'll skip over the details of traveling through Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg and back across France to the ferry to England. My plan was to return to the B&B in London and placing an ad in the paper to sell the bike. I then went to the Atlantic Coast to catch a ferry to Ireland to explore for a couple of weeks before returning to London. The bike sold to the first person answering my ad for the same amount ($1,800.) that I had paid for it!

That is wild. Thanks for sharing.

The big loser on that coastline deal
was Bosnia and Herzogovina.
 
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Plitvice National Park. Crystal clear water in the river that flows through there flows over limestone and dolomite (a carbonate), and dissolves calcium carbonate. That stuff in the water, plus some algae and microorganisms turn that blue in the sunlight. The color is really amazing. Some of the pics show how clear the water is, despite the blue-green color.

Good catch, and grasp of the history, on the head shots. Hard to see the dates on the plaques, but many of them were born around 1970, and were killed in 1991-92, during the fight for Croatia's independence from Yugoslavia. Not that long ago, really.

We didn't have a bad meal, even the squid (pic 143713). Since we were next to the Adriatic most of the trip, we at a lot of seafood. The brown stuff you are talking about, pic 121045, was a Croatian beef dish. It's braised beef, served with homemade gnocchi. It marinates overnight in a red wine marinade, and is slow cooked in a bunch of spices. Delicious, despite the look. Oh, wait, maybe you're talking about pic 181600? That's black risotto with cuttlefish. It's slightly briny, because they use the ink of the cuttlefish (pretty much a squid) for the coloring of the rice. It was pretty good, but you have to be prepared for the brininess.

Here are some more tidbits:
  • There is no artificial light in the cave in the pics around 103014. That is sunlight that enters an underwater entrance to the cave and lights the entire cave up in that blue light.
  • The lighting under the boats in pic 215755 is artificial, but it's white light. The sea is just so blue that it lights up like that.
  • See the boat in pic 180323? That is the Lunasea, and you can rent it for just 800,000 euros -------per week in the summer time. You can probably get a break in the winter, though.
  • No one asked about the girl walking on the tightrope in pic 202430? She was practicing for the Paris 2025 Slackline Championships. Her slackline was suspended probably 50 to 60 feet above the rocky river below. She had a tip box there, explaining what she was doing, so I gave her a couple of Euros.
  • Pic 130528 is a picture of oyster lines. You can take a boat tour which takes you out to those lines, and they pull up one of those lines, pull the oysters off, and you have an oyster in your mouth a matter of seconds from harvest. MrsPA isn't an oyster fan, so we didn't partake, but if you're into oysters, it's probably worthwhile.
Limestone is calcium carbonate. Dolomite is calcium/magnesium carbonate. Both are capable of having compression strength exceeding 15000 psi.

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Limestone is calcium carbonate. Dolomite is calcium/magnesium carbonate. Both are capable of having compression strength exceeding 15000 psi.

Sorry...
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Okay, @El_Jefe, I'm just going to start this thread, as I know you're itching for the info and have planning to do. If the threads from Rivals get migrated, maybe this can be melded in with the old travel thread.

Here are the pics: 275 Croatia Pictures. In large part, you should be able to follow the pics as you read below.

We started in Zagreb, then headed to Slunj (A river runs through this town, and just pours out of every nook and cranny. Our house that night was on/in the river.) for one night, then to Plitvice for a day. Then headed to the coast. Zadar, then Sibenik each one night. From Sibenik, took the seanic (see what I did there?) route to Split and stayed in Split for two nights. Then drove to Propratno and took a ferry to the island of Mljet, where we stayed for one night. Finished out the trip by staying in Cavtat, just south of Dubrovnik, for two nights.

Plitvice: Multiple paths you can take to walk around various parts of the National Park. A river runs through the park, and again pours over multiple levels of lakes with clearest blue water you've ever seen. Tour H, which we took, was about 5.5 miles of walking, broken up by a boat ride across one of the lakes. Culminated in a view of the largest waterfall in the park. This is where we saw our first PSU shirt, a guy from England, who had a buddy who went to PSU.

Zadar: Almayer Art and Heritage Hotel. Great place but the room had a loft bedroom, so you need to be mobile. Had a great hideaway garden dining area for breakfast. Dinner: Konoba Sklobar, excellent food, excellent location on a square in the old town. Found an app called Voicemap, which has narrated walking tours of all of the towns/cities we visited. You don't get the personal interaction that you do with a human guide, but you also don't have to be on a schedule. Recommend: sunset at the Sea Organ. Skip, except that you're already right there for sunset: Greeting to the Sun.

Krka NP: On the way to Sibenik, we stopped at the lower end of Krka. Took the boat ride from Skradin to the landing area and walked to the falls. If you're not going to Plitvice, then I'd say do this. Jefe, since you're going late in the year, you might want to investigate skipping the boat from Skradin, and driving to Lozovac. I believe there is a bus from there that drops you at a wooden boardwalk that takes you to the falls. Depending on the weather that time of year, you might be better off skipping the boat.

Sibenik: Armerun Heritage Hotel. Took an evening tour of the old town. Once again, narrow walkways, stuff that's older than our country by a factor of three. Like a lot of eastern Europe, it seems like at some point, everybody and their brother decided that opening a restaurant was a good idea. Small restaurants and shops everywhere. Mrs.PA was thrilled to find that they were hosting an international children's arts festival, so there were kids' art projects strung up all over old town. They were setting up for some kind of kids performance in front of City Hall, built in 1530ish. Just a great setting. Great dinner on the waterfront next to the hotel at Bronzin.

Sibenik to Split: Took the seaward route and stopped in Primosten. Big, dumb mistake here. We walked around this peninsula which had beaches all around, but I didn't realize that the next peninsula over was the old town. We left town without stepping foot in the old town, and didn't realize it until we were on a hilltop across the bay. I didn't feel like driving back into town, so this is definitely a spot we'll hit next time around.

Kept running down the coast to Trogir, another of the well known old towns. Used the tour app for a tour of the town, and grabbed lunch in a little place off the main square. MrsDW got squid. Not calamari, but the whole damn, big squid. It was fine, but I think I'm off squid for life now. I've never seen the point of calamari and this just cemented it: I don't need squid in my life. I however, ordered ravioli, which is when I realized Croatians do pasta pretty well.

Split: First two-night stay. Probably the second or third most visited tourist town, and the second largest city in Croatia. AirBnB here was inside of the old town. No cars allowed, so we had to roll our suitcases in with us. Once again, medieval old town charm, with a history dating to the Greeks in the 4th century. Old town is built around Diocletian's Palace, and just seems to go on forever. You'd take a picture of a beautiful narrow alleyway, only to take 20 steps and see another alleyway that much more intriguing. Shops and restaurants galore. Restaurant: Konoba Marjan. Make a reservation.

Full day boat tour, visiting Blue Cave, Hvar, and went swimming off the boat a couple of times. We only had time to grab lunch in Hvar, so this is another where we'd spend more time the next time around. Just beautiful.

Split to Mljet: Stopped in Omis. @El_Jefe, I really recommend a stop here. Quite possibly the most beautiful town on the trip, and quite possibly the most overlooked. The Omis River runs between two mountains into the Adriatic here, and it is gorgeous. You can go from sea level to a few thousand feet in a matter of a couple of miles. I don't know how well you get around, but if you're able, walk up to the Mirabella Fortress. Keep going up and up until you get to a building, then climb the ladder inside for a spectacular view of the town. Omis is not the easiest place to get to off of the highway, but worth it, in my mind.

Ferried to the island of Mljet, where we stayed one night, and went to the national park there. Took a boat tour to an old monastery, which was on an island, so we were on an island in a lake on an island.

Mljet to Cavtat: Cavtat is a town just south of Dubrovnik, and minutes from the airport. Since we had an early flight the day we were leaving, I figured it would be a good place to stay. LOL, I hit the jackpot with this place. It was a quiet little town, and the hotel was in a little inlet off the main water, and it was spectacular. Pics 163122 and 163225 were taken out the windows of our room. The only bad part was our room was number 7, and there were only two rooms per floor in the hotel, so it was 113 steps from street level to our room, but I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Casa Antika Suites on Booking.com.

Took a water taxi from Cavtat to Dubrovnik for the day. Walked the entire perimeter of the old town walls. Spectacular, unique views of the old town, the sea and Fort Bokar. Honestly, we were pretty much walked out from the week, so when we got to the end of the wall walk, we looked at Fort Bokar, and said, "This is as close as we're getting." @jtothemfp, there's a cliff jump at Buza Bar, right outside the old city walls, that's 65-70 feet high. Unfortunately, MrsPA missed the picture of me making the leap, so you're going to have to make up for it. Cavtat dinner: Konobo Galija.

@El_Jefe, Omis is a 45 minutes drive from Split, or it's on the way between Dubrovnik and Split. I'd try to make it there. In fact, if you got off the highway on Route 70, you could get into Omis, then drive up the coast to Split from there.

Split to Sibenik is an hour by highway or an hour and forty five minutes by the coastal route. You might consider one day of the coast route to Trogir and Primosten. Then, another day by highway to Sibenik. I saw you said someone compared it to the coastal highway, but really, it's the coastal highway with islands the whole way. Much better than the coastal, IMO, and with wildly blue water. If you go to Primosten, take lots of pictures and send some to me, since I screwed up and didn't even go.

I had language barrier issues one time, the first night at the room in the water. I can usually say to people, "Your English is better than my _______." Not so, in this case. That woman didn't speak a lick of English, I don't believe. And, walked into a grocery one evening, pulled up my translation app for "sunscreen." I showed it to a woman stocking the shelves. She looked disgusted and said, "Over by the cash registers." I think she said, "Stupid American," after I walked away.
These pics remind me of Lyco's basement...LOL!!
 

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We are back from our 18d trip to the Balkans. To summarize:
  • Flew PHL --> Zurich --> Sarajevo same day with an airline/security change. 5n/4d in Sarajevo. Transfer tour to Kotor. 1n/1d in Kotor. 4n/3d in Dubrovnik. Bus to Split pier, then boat to Hvar Island for 2n/2d. 4n/3d in Split. Repositioning flight to Zurich, 1 night but stayed at the airport and didn't visit town.
  • Sarajevo was awesome, highly underrated. Split also stood out.
  • The coastal/island towns are small, and several blended together after a while. All are suffocated by cruise ship crowds – avoid during high season and check dock dates.
  • We should've skipped Hvar Island.
  • Nearly everybody was fluent in conversational English, friendly, and liked Americans. Even the bus drivers and pier tellers. Basically the anti-French.
  • The food!
  • November was the wrong time to go, except it was when we could. Shorter days, seasonal closures, reduced travel services, and rain. Lots of rain. Plus wind. Did I mention rain? I’d instead go in October and skip Hvar Island, reallocate those days.

BASICS/LOGISTICS
  • Cash is king in Bosnia. Credit cards are more widely accepted elsewhere.
  • Getting around: Small, walkable Old Towns. Dubrovnik and Hvar Town have very hilly side streets with stone steps. Many buildings do not have elevators; really do your homework if you need hotels with elevators. Also, at Split check your hotel location vs dropoff point – only the West Gate has no stairs; East Gate has a lift; North and South Gates have stairs but you can avoid by walking a couple blocks west.
  • Safety: Mostly the usual concerns in Europe – watch for pickpockets and avoid unlit isolated streets at night. Avoid the Pink Houdini bar in Sarajevo if you’re Jewish. Otherwise no concerns anywhere.
  • Taxis: No Uber/Lyft/Bolt in Bosnia or Montenegro. Do NOT use Sarajevo Taxi, but other taxis there are good. Uber/Bolt are on the Croatian mainland. Uber “exists” on Hvar Island but no drivers will accept rides; taxis there are mega-expensive when you can get one.
  • Local transit: easy and cheap. Frequent except on Hvar Island, need to time buses there to avoid mega-expensive island taxis.
If you're like us and switch airlines at Zurich -- meaning, leave security, get luggage, and check back in -- allow 3 hrs in case your incoming flight is late. We had a 3-hr total layover, and were back thru security before our gate was assigned.


SARAJEVO
  • We’ve all been mispronouncing the city name. It’s not Sara-YAY-vo. It’s Sa-RYE-vo.
  • This is not Euro Disney. It’s a real city with locals everywhere.
  • Incredibly compact city with tons to see, with 4 major cultures adjacent to each other. So many attractions within a 10-min walk from our hotel in Bascarsija (the Turkish old town). We still didn’t see everything in 4 days.
  • It’s a majority Muslim city, but hardly strict. Everybody drinks rakija and beer, and prosciutto is easily found. You will hear the Call to Prayer, but faintly in your room (ours was 50 yards from a major mosque); it won't wake you or affect your travels.
  • A lot of Balkan War stuff, much of it difficult. See what you can, it’s important, but don’t let it dominate your time or emotions. Too much other stuff to see and do.
  • Be sure to see: Vijecnica (City Hall) – stunning Turkish building (inside and out) with a good city museum. Kazandziluk, aka Copperware Street. National Museum – go for the rare viewings of the historically important Sarajevo Haggadah, stay for the ancient archeological finds. Tunnel of Hope. Mt Trebevic/Olympic Bobsled ruins. For stupidity: the Canned Beef Monument outside National Museum.
  • Can skip: Sarajevo 1878-1918 Museum at the Latin Bridge. Hotel Holiday Inn -- it's now just an ugly hotel.
  • Food: tons of cevapi and burek; the best are Ferhatovic Cevapi and Burek Sac (both near City Hall). Get cevapi with kaymak (cream cheese) and ayvar (roasted red pepper condiment). Don't order burek (or its cheese or spinach relatives) at a restaurant, will probably be soggy. Everybody drinks yogurt at breakfast and with cevapi. Tarhana = sour tomato soup with sourdough couscous-like pasta (not the regular "tomato soup"). Sogan Dolma = stuffed onions. Begova Corba = chicken soup. Anything with sour cherries. Bosnanski Lonac (beef pot) and gulas. Dondurma (Turkish ice cream) -- it's thick, stretchy, and melt-resistant.
  • Restaurants: no need to go fancy – casual places in Bascarsija are excellent. Dveri is a must, probably the best meal in our entire trip, but hard requires reservations at least 1d in advance. Also: Nanina Kuhinja (how can you not eat at Grandma’s Kitchen?). Inat Kuca (“House of Spite,” great backstory). Any Ascinica – cafeteria-style traditional food. Singing Nettle near the Cathedral. Konoba Luka (near the 2 Marriotts) for Dalmatian food if not heading toward the coast. Did I mention cevapi and burek shops?
  • Bars: lots of theme bars – Cafe Tito, Zlatna Ribica, Tesla Bar, Pirate’s Pub, Vucko Pub, Viking Pub, etc. Like I said, not a strict Muslim city.
  • Definitely go to Dzirlo Tea House, just outside Bascarsija (across the street from Sebilj Fountain). No food, just tea, coffee, and relaxation.
  • The largest Hammam (Turkish bath), at Isa Begov Hotel, has separate hours for men vs women. We skipped due to this time sink. But maybe you can find a spa with concurrent hours.
  • Where to stay: anywhere between City Hall and Sacred Heart Cathedral, and within 1 block of Old Town (before it gets hilly). Prefer within Bascarsija, but the Austro-Hungarian old town is also OK. Hotel Old Town was a good hotel in an unbeatable location.
History note: Sarajlians (Muslims and Catholics alike) love the US for ending the Balkan War, but hate the Dayton Treaty for both the territorial giveaway to the genocidal aggressor Republika Srpska and the insane power-sharing structure. If you like kleptocracies where nothing gets done except raising taxes (over 60%!) and lining pockets, you’re gonna love a country that rotates the Presidency every 8 months among 3 ethnic/religious groups.


BOSNIA BETWEEN SARAJEVO AND THE COAST
  • We hired Funky Tours for a one-way guided tour to Kotor. Excellent outfit, great tour guide. (We also did their Sarajevo Siege Tour – equally happy with that guide.) It was a very long day -- 11 hrs -- but glad we did this.
  • Primary stops were Mostar, Blagaj, Pocitelj, and Kravica Falls. Without the transfer tour, I’d do these together as a day trip from Sarajevo, Dubrovnik, or Split. All are worth visiting, and are near each other, but none need more than 1-2 hrs.
  • Rick Steves has severely oversold Mostar. The famous Ottoman-style Stari Most bridge and the smaller Kriva Cuprija (Crooked Bridge) are worth visiting. Otherwise Mostar is a tiny tourist trap. The entire old town is one street, 2 blocks on either side of Stari Most, and filled with trinket shops. We were bored after an hour.
  • Blagaj is known for the riverfront/cliffside Tekija (Dervish monastery). It’s small, and no live Whirling Dervishes. Still interesting, and a great backdrop. Most people eat lunch at the adjacent Vrelo Restaurant for the scenery – and the food is good, but order less than you think you need; portions are way too big and you pay accordingly with both cash and time.
  • Pocitelj is a 13th Century walled Ottoman stone village that is now an open-air museum with a few hundred residents. While there, look for the honor-system fridge with fresh pomegranate juice (near the hilltop).
Somewhere in Republika Srpska, we drove past a Chinese-run strip mine. Weird seeing Chicom red/yellow signs with both Mandarin and Cyrillic scripts. Coincidentally or otherwise, that town was by far the worst stretch of road condition and air quality in our entire vacation.



KOTOR
  • Beautiful, small walled city. Similar to Dubrovnik except a LOT less stairs.
  • With only had 1n/1d there, we spent the morning in Perast, including a water taxi to Out Lady of the Rocks Church; and the afternoon wandering Kotor Old Town before catching the last bus to Dubrovnik. This was a good use of time in November with some attractions closed; in October, I’d add another day to allow for Bay of Kotor viewpoints, whatever attractions would be open, and possibly a Bay of Kotor boat tour.
  • Where to stay: preferably inside the walls. Hotel Vardar, just inside Sea Gate, was excellent. Lots of cheaper places within 1/4 mi of either South or North Gates.
  • What to eat: known for black risotto; otherwise seafood, prosciutto, pasta, risotto, and pizza. (Same as the Dalmatian coast.) Cevapi if you didn’t enough in Sarajevo.
  • Where to eat: I'm only listing our arrival meal (at La Cathedral Pasta Bar, which was excellent), because I can’t ID where we got food poisoning during our full day there.


COASTAL TRANSPORTATION
  • Buses from Kotor to Dubrovnik are sold by Flixbus and operated by some jabroni. Ours was the Vomit Comet. The engine and suspension held up, the brakes worked, and the luggage didn’t fall out. The interior was a disaster – many broken seats, recliner levers broken or missing, trays broken or missing, and the A/C stuck on Meat Locker. We made a point to use the bathroom at the border station. The driver smoked on board and played with his phone in one hand while steering on curvy roads with the other.
  • The Arriva bus from Dubrovnik to Split was an A+, even without comparing to the Flixbus Jabroni. Clean, comfortable, smooth ride, on time. Wifi worked. Driver gave us two pit stops. Bonus: instead of the inland highway north of Ston, our bus took much more of the coastal road, so we got to see Makarska and Omis enroute.
  • Jadrolinija and Kapitan Luka boats are basic transportation. The real issues are boat schedules and island transportation to/from the port. Hvar Island isn’t worth the level of coordination required.

(Continued below ...)
 

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Rest of the Balkan trip:

DUBROVNIK
  • Our plan was: Day 1 = Old Town + City Walls + Ft. Lawrence; Day 2 = Trsteno Arboretum; Day 3 = Mt. Srd + Red History Museum + anything left.
  • Great plan until the food poisoning hit on arrival night. We didn’t leave our room for 2 days. With rain on Day 3, we were limited to wandering Old Town (which is only 1/2 mi wide). We were both still too woozy to climb the steep, wet stone staircase up to City Walls. Mt. Srd was also out because what view in the rain?
  • At least if we had to be cooped up for 2d, Villa Nobile was fantastic. 6-room boutique hotel, 50 yards outside Pile Gate, with a secured walled entrance and surrounded by gardens. Beautiful hotel, quiet despite the location, and the staff was so accommodating while we were ailing. Cannot recommend highly enough.
  • What to eat: see Kotor. Also: sporki (Bolognese with different spices), buzara (seafood in white wine sauce), pasticada (sour beef with gnocchi, similar to Cuban eye round roast), fish soup.
  • @82bordeaux said you can’t go to Dubrovnik without eating a peka meal. We didn’t really have that option. In our condition, we couldn’t commit to advance reservations for a long/slow-cooked meal. Our one meal in Dubrovnik, at Lucin Kantun (just off Stradun) was great even if we struggled to eat.


HVAR ISLAND
  • It’s pronounced WHAR with a hard WH as in Family Guy.
  • Hvar Town is a waste of time – basically a far less interesting version of Split or Dubrovnik or Kotor, though with a lot of sloppy drunks in high season. Plus it was completely shut down in November – no attractions and nowhere to eat. We were done 3 hrs before the return bus to Stari Grad, but couldn’t find a taxi. (Well, we did find one – parked at a cocktail bar for over an hour.)
  • We both liked Stari Grad (a quiet, primarily local town) better … but it only needs a half-day.
  • Buses are good. Taxis are mega-expensive and unresponsive. At both arrival and departure, we had a local call cabs for us, and each time they went pretty far down the list before finding a driver.
  • Konoba Damira (in Stari Grad) was the only open restaurant in either town. Luckily it was good.
  • We loved our apartment, Ancora Faros on the Stari Grad waterfront, with a balcony overlooking the harbor. The housekeeper, who also doubles as check-in and breakfast chef, was your Italian grandmother. She took great care of us.


SPLIT
  • Diocletian’s Palace, the ancient ruins of a Roman Emperor’s retirement home, is incredible. And unique in that the ruins are fully functional with residences, museums, hotels, restaurants, etc.
  • Nearly everything was open, even in the offseason. The only notable closures were the Ivan Mestrovic sculpture gallery (closed for maintenance) and a couple of restaurants (including the @82bordeaux recommended Villa Spiza being on vacation).
  • We spent 3 days in Split. The first 2 were lighter days due to hard rains with heavy winds. By then, we lost the will to deal with those conditions.
  • What to see: wander around Diocletian’s Palace, gawk at the ruins, and see everything there. Gregory of Nin Statue is just outside North Gat). Mestrovic Gallery and Mestrovic Kastelac are a 5-min bus ride away. With better weather, hike Marjan Hill – at a minimum, the 1/2 mi walk from the West Gate to the viewpoint next to Teraca Vidilica restaurant; preferably take Uber/Bolt to Telegrin Peak and hike downhill back to town.
  • With extra time + better weather: Klis Fortress for King of Thrones fans. Day trip to Omis (coastal pirate town), 1 hr by Split public bus. Day trips to Trogir (30 min) and Sibenik (1 hr) – more coastal towns.
  • In shoulder season: day trips to Krka National Park and Zadar; weather and bus schedules affect both. Rent a car to Plitvice Lakes National Park (3 hrs away).
  • Where to stay: anywhere in Diocletian’s Palace or Old Town. We stayed at Palace Suites Hotel, on Norodni Square, barely outside the West Gate. Nice hotel, ideal location.
  • Where to eat: Corto Maltese – funky restaurant, lots of fun. Apetit had excellent pasticada. Pizzeria Portas, next to North Gate and City Museum. Submarine has decent burgers if you just want to eat in the room.
  • Split Airport is excellent: small (only 6 gates) but spacious, clean, and efficient. Also only 20 min from Old Town (E19 by Uber/Bolt). Next year UA will start nonstop service there from EWR.


ZURICH (well, the airport anyway)
  • Zurich was just an overnight for us. We intended to take the train into the city, but by then we were done with cold, hard rain.
  • The Circle is a hotel/business/restaurant complex across the street from the airport. We stayed at Hyatt Place and ate at the next-door Negishi Sushi Bar. It wasn't Japan-level food but was pretty good. Do save room for the many flavors of mochi ice cream.
  • Zurich is notoriously expensive. Our meal was actually on the cheap side for The Circle or Old Town -- and we paid $32 + tax for a bowl of ramen.
  • ZRH Airport is, well, better than Heathrow or JFK. Check-in, baggage, and passport control are all efficient. Lots of food options cheaper than outside (full breakfast at Swiss Chalet was less than half the price of our hotel breakfast). OTOH: it's hideous and dim, a mix of brutalist + German post-modernist. Signs are confusing. Check-ins are weirdly grouped, not by partnerships. Bathrooms are on different levels from the gates. To get wifi, you need to find an actual wifi kiosk for an access code (WTF). I'd use ZRH again for Euro connections, because connection risk is very low and other airports are worse.
 

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Thanks for the story PA, it brought back a ton of memories.
In the mid 70s I spent 4 months touring Europe on a used BMW motorcycle that I bought from an ad in a motorcycle publication while staying at a B&B in London at the beginning of the trip. I roamed around England for 2 weeks while waiting for the registration/insurance paperwork to come back from Swansea in Wales and then ferried to France. Fell in love with Paris under the guidance of a friend that I had met at a street vendors stand in New Orleans some years before. I don't want to turn this into a detailed, long story so; from Paris I traveled south to Nice and Monaco.
From there took the Autostrada into Italy for 2 weeks of touring/sightseeing and then to Ancona for a 26 hour ferry ride across the Adriatic to the Peloponnese at the southern end of Greece. Ended up wandering around Greece for almost 3 weeks after stumbling onto a magical campground in the mouth of a horseshoe bay on the Aegean Sea. My plan (loosely held) was to travel the entire "Dalmatian Coast" from Greece to Austria not realizing that You couldn't enter/pass through) Albania. This meant leaving the coast for an inland route around Albania. Somewhat hazardous and unkept roadways. As you can tell,I survived. The trip along the coast of what was then Yugoslavia, was spectacular. Learned what "Squatters (toilets) were and that scorpions liked them, Only really left the coast for a tour of Plitvice due to a recommendation from a Norwegian gent camped next to me.
For the sake of brevity I'll skip over the details of traveling through Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg and back across France to the ferry to England. My plan was to return to the B&B in London and placing an ad in the paper to sell the bike. I then went to the Atlantic Coast to catch a ferry to Ireland to explore for a couple of weeks before returning to London. The bike sold to the first person answering my ad for the same amount ($1,800.) that I had paid for it!

Impressive salesmanship w/ the bike!!!
 

pawrstlersinpa

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Rest of the Balkan trip:

DUBROVNIK
  • Our plan was: Day 1 = Old Town + City Walls + Ft. Lawrence; Day 2 = Trsteno Arboretum; Day 3 = Mt. Srd + Red History Museum + anything left.
  • Great plan until the food poisoning hit on arrival night. We didn’t leave our room for 2 days. With rain on Day 3, we were limited to wandering Old Town (which is only 1/2 mi wide). We were both still too woozy to climb the steep, wet stone staircase up to City Walls. Mt. Srd was also out because what view in the rain?
  • At least if we had to be cooped up for 2d, Villa Nobile was fantastic. 6-room boutique hotel, 50 yards outside Pile Gate, with a secured walled entrance and surrounded by gardens. Beautiful hotel, quiet despite the location, and the staff was so accommodating while we were ailing. Cannot recommend highly enough.
  • What to eat: see Kotor. Also: sporki (Bolognese with different spices), buzara (seafood in white wine sauce), pasticada (sour beef with gnocchi, similar to Cuban eye round roast), fish soup.
  • @82bordeaux said you can’t go to Dubrovnik without eating a peka meal. We didn’t really have that option. In our condition, we couldn’t commit to advance reservations for a long/slow-cooked meal. Our one meal in Dubrovnik, at Lucin Kantun (just off Stradun) was great even if we struggled to eat.


HVAR ISLAND
  • It’s pronounced WHAR with a hard WH as in Family Guy.
  • Hvar Town is a waste of time – basically a far less interesting version of Split or Dubrovnik or Kotor, though with a lot of sloppy drunks in high season. Plus it was completely shut down in November – no attractions and nowhere to eat. We were done 3 hrs before the return bus to Stari Grad, but couldn’t find a taxi. (Well, we did find one – parked at a cocktail bar for over an hour.)
  • We both liked Stari Grad (a quiet, primarily local town) better … but it only needs a half-day.
  • Buses are good. Taxis are mega-expensive and unresponsive. At both arrival and departure, we had a local call cabs for us, and each time they went pretty far down the list before finding a driver.
  • Konoba Damira (in Stari Grad) was the only open restaurant in either town. Luckily it was good.
  • We loved our apartment, Ancora Faros on the Stari Grad waterfront, with a balcony overlooking the harbor. The housekeeper, who also doubles as check-in and breakfast chef, was your Italian grandmother. She took great care of us.


SPLIT
  • Diocletian’s Palace, the ancient ruins of a Roman Emperor’s retirement home, is incredible. And unique in that the ruins are fully functional with residences, museums, hotels, restaurants, etc.
  • Nearly everything was open, even in the offseason. The only notable closures were the Ivan Mestrovic sculpture gallery (closed for maintenance) and a couple of restaurants (including the @82bordeaux recommended Villa Spiza being on vacation).
  • We spent 3 days in Split. The first 2 were lighter days due to hard rains with heavy winds. By then, we lost the will to deal with those conditions.
  • What to see: wander around Diocletian’s Palace, gawk at the ruins, and see everything there. Gregory of Nin Statue is just outside North Gat). Mestrovic Gallery and Mestrovic Kastelac are a 5-min bus ride away. With better weather, hike Marjan Hill – at a minimum, the 1/2 mi walk from the West Gate to the viewpoint next to Teraca Vidilica restaurant; preferably take Uber/Bolt to Telegrin Peak and hike downhill back to town.
  • With extra time + better weather: Klis Fortress for King of Thrones fans. Day trip to Omis (coastal pirate town), 1 hr by Split public bus. Day trips to Trogir (30 min) and Sibenik (1 hr) – more coastal towns.
  • In shoulder season: day trips to Krka National Park and Zadar; weather and bus schedules affect both. Rent a car to Plitvice Lakes National Park (3 hrs away).
  • Where to stay: anywhere in Diocletian’s Palace or Old Town. We stayed at Palace Suites Hotel, on Norodni Square, barely outside the West Gate. Nice hotel, ideal location.
  • Where to eat: Corto Maltese – funky restaurant, lots of fun. Apetit had excellent pasticada. Pizzeria Portas, next to North Gate and City Museum. Submarine has decent burgers if you just want to eat in the room.
  • Split Airport is excellent: small (only 6 gates) but spacious, clean, and efficient. Also only 20 min from Old Town (E19 by Uber/Bolt). Next year UA will start nonstop service there from EWR.


ZURICH (well, the airport anyway)
  • Zurich was just an overnight for us. We intended to take the train into the city, but by then we were done with cold, hard rain.
  • The Circle is a hotel/business/restaurant complex across the street from the airport. We stayed at Hyatt Place and ate at the next-door Negishi Sushi Bar. It wasn't Japan-level food but was pretty good. Do save room for the many flavors of mochi ice cream.
  • Zurich is notoriously expensive. Our meal was actually on the cheap side for The Circle or Old Town -- and we paid $32 + tax for a bowl of ramen.
  • ZRH Airport is, well, better than Heathrow or JFK. Check-in, baggage, and passport control are all efficient. Lots of food options cheaper than outside (full breakfast at Swiss Chalet was less than half the price of our hotel breakfast). OTOH: it's hideous and dim, a mix of brutalist + German post-modernist. Signs are confusing. Check-ins are weirdly grouped, not by partnerships. Bathrooms are on different levels from the gates. To get wifi, you need to find an actual wifi kiosk for an access code (WTF). I'd use ZRH again for Euro connections, because connection risk is very low and other airports are worse.
Sounds like mid-September to mid-October is the time to go. Avoid the summer rush and the fall rain. Too bad you got sick. My ailment was some type of itchy rash around my ankles and lower legs. No comments from @Cstroke.

Funny that our opinions of Hvar are opposite yours. We only stopped for a couple of hours, and agreed that we'd spend more time there on our next trip to explore the town and the island some more. It was also during a day of sunshiny island hopping and swimming/snorkeling, so we may have had rose colored glasses on.

100% on Diocletian’s Palace. Really cool place.
 

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Sounds like mid-September to mid-October is the time to go. Avoid the summer rush and the fall rain. Too bad you got sick. My ailment was some type of itchy rash around my ankles and lower legs. No comments from @Cstroke.

Funny that our opinions of Hvar are opposite yours. We only stopped for a couple of hours, and agreed that we'd spend more time there on our next trip to explore the town and the island some more. It was also during a day of sunshiny island hopping and swimming/snorkeling, so we may have had rose colored glasses on.

100% on Diocletian’s Palace. Really cool place.
We don't do swimming/snorkeling, so maybe that's one difference. Possibly we would've felt differently too if that had been first waterfront town, before Kotor and Dubrovnik.

I also didn't mention: we couldn't really eat there. The open grocery store had no prepared food (not even pizza or burek). They did have bread and prosciutto, so we could've made our own ... on a bench right next to a sign warning about E500 fines for picnicking. So we grabbed a bag of chips and a candy bar, and hoped no cops would come around in the offseason. That was the only thing we ate between 9 am and 5 pm.

OTOH, the paid public bathrooms were free since there was no attendant during the offseason. (But my wife had to use the men's room for the same reason.)

One thing we discussed about Hvar Town: if you don't take a boat out onto the water, and you turn around and realize you can't see past the mountain behind you, then it doesn't feel like an island anymore -- then it's a coastal town.

She wants to return to our apartment in Stari Grad for a week. I liked the apartment and especially our grandmother host, and I'd go nuts after 1 more day. Maybe 2 days if we take a bus out to the canal town Vrboska. But a week?
 

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While we are back on the "travels sagas", I'm just curious as to whether any of you other late 1940s early 1950s reprobates made it to Woodstock. Six of us traveled from South Jersey to that festival after attending the one that was eld at the Atlantic City Race Course some weeks before.
 
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Didn't make it to Woodstock. But I made it to Watkins Glenn July 1973.
An estimated 600,000 people attended the 1973 Summer Jam at Watkins Glen. This made it the largest audience for a pop festival in U.S. history, according to the Guinness Book of World Records. While 150,000 tickets were sold, another 450,000 people attended for free. I was one the saps who bought a ticket.
 

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After looking at my vacation pics, I want to soften one of my statements above: Hvar Island is a waste of time **IN NOVEMBER**. It's probably a lot better during shoulder season, before everything closes. I still think that Kotor + Dubrovnik + Hvar Island + Split is too much coastal redundancy on one trip, but there are ways to break that up -- if not separate trips, at least something inland in the middle.

A few pics:

Sarajevo: Sebilj fountain at the entrance to Baščaršija (the Turkish old town):




Mostar, Bosnia: Stari Most, the old bridge of Rick Steves fame




Počitelj, Bosnia:




Perast, Montenegro: Our Lady of the Rocks




Kotor, Montenegro:




Dubrovnik: Stradun




Hvar Town:




Stari Grad:




Split: Diocletian's Palace