Which is more scary...

[rog1187]

Taken from a discussion this morning on a morning tv-show - both Trump and Sanders are promising a lot..and they probably can't deliver on many of them (if any)...Clinton on the other hand is not promising much. With the surge of Trump and Sanders you have to agree there are a lot of people in this country that want to see things change from what they would consider the status quo establishement.

What happens if Trump/Sanders when and don't deliver?
What happens if Clinton is elected and nothing changes?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Taken from a discussion this morning on a morning tv-show - both Trump and Sanders are promising a lot..and they probably can't deliver on many of them (if any)...Clinton on the other hand is not promising much. With the surge of Trump and Sanders you have to agree there are a lot of people in this country that want to see things change from what they would consider the status quo establishement.

What happens if Trump/Sanders when and don't deliver?
What happens if Clinton is elected and nothing changes?

Trump in a landslide

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Taken from a discussion this morning on a morning tv-show - both Trump and Sanders are promising a lot..and they probably can't deliver on many of them (if any)...Clinton on the other hand is not promising much. With the surge of Trump and Sanders you have to agree there are a lot of people in this country that want to see things change from what they would consider the status quo establishement.

What happens if Trump/Sanders when and don't deliver?
What happens if Clinton is elected and nothing changes?

The American electorate is generally stupid. Winston Churchill said it best, "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." The American people elected Obama overwhelmingly in 08. Part of his platform was a new healthcare program which he delivered. The American people were beat over the head by conservative mouthpieces relentlessly for years. So the American people generally bought into the conservative argument and flipped the house and senate. Then they re-elected Obama. The American people want the legislative and executive branches to work together. But they don't. I think it's obvious that the GOP controlled Congress is the main culprit. You can look no further than the current supreme court appointment issue as proof. But I digress. So, now, the American people are angry with the status quo. A status quo that they created. I find it curious that most of the anger out there is coming from the right. Yet, Obama's approval numbers are around 48% and the GOP controlled Congress's is 14%. Churchill was obviously right. Stupid people are stupid.

 

[rog1187]

The American electorate is generally stupid. Winston Churchill said it best, "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." The American people elected Obama overwhelmingly in 08. Part of his platform was a new healthcare program which he delivered. The American people were beat over the head by conservative mouthpieces relentlessly for years. So the American people generally bought into the conservative argument and flipped the house and senate. Then they re-elected Obama. The American people want the legislative and executive branches to work together. But they don't. I think it's obvious that the GOP controlled Congress is the main culprit. You can look no further than the current supreme court appointment issue as proof. But I digress. So, now, the American people are angry with the status quo. A status quo that they created. I find it curious that most of the anger out there is coming from the right. Yet, Obama's approval numbers are around 48% and the GOP controlled Congress's is 14%. Churchill was obviously right. Stupid people are stupid.

Obama promised hope and change...he had two years with a Democrat lead Congress and barely got the ACA through...and to date it's a very mixed bag of results. There is a reason that both Sanders and Trump are getting support and you can stick your head in the sand and play partisan politics are you can step back and look at the issue that many many people in this country want some form of change from the status quo of the establishment. Clinton is not promising much change...and Trump and Sander probably won't be able to deliver on their change-items.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Obama promised hope and change...he had two years with a Democrat lead Congress and barely got the ACA through...and to date it's a very mixed bag of results. There is a reason that both Sanders and Trump are getting support and you can stick your head in the sand and play partisan politics are you can step back and look at the issue that many many people in this country want some form of change from the status quo of the establishment. Clinton is not promising much change...and Trump and Sander probably won't be able to deliver on their change-items.

You obviously missed the point.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

The American electorate is generally stupid. Winston Churchill said it best, "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." The American people elected Obama overwhelmingly in 08. Part of his platform was a new healthcare program which he delivered. The American people were beat over the head by conservative mouthpieces relentlessly for years. So the American people generally bought into the conservative argument and flipped the house and senate. Then they re-elected Obama. The American people want the legislative and executive branches to work together. But they don't. I think it's obvious that the GOP controlled Congress is the main culprit. You can look no further than the current supreme court appointment issue as proof. But I digress. So, now, the American people are angry with the status quo. A status quo that they created. I find it curious that most of the anger out there is coming from the right. Yet, Obama's approval numbers are around 48% and the GOP controlled Congress's is 14%. Churchill was obviously right. Stupid people are stupid.

No bias in this post at all folks.

 

[mneilmont]

Folks, both parties have had votes in Nevada. Reportedly, from actual numbers, Democrat vote was down 30% - Republican vote up nearly 100%. Does that tell us anything?

Do we have to wait for SEC Tuesday? Or Rubio in Fla, or Kasich in Oh? How do you spin this?

I now feel comfortable waiting for Nov with the info from Nevada.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

No bias in this post at all folks.

[roll][roll]Ignore not working?[roll][roll]

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

[roll][roll]Ignore not working?[roll][roll]

I actually took you off this morning.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Folks, both parties have had votes in Nevada. Reportedly, from actual numbers, Democrat vote was down 30% - Republican vote up nearly 100%. Does that tell us anything?

Do we have to wait for SEC Tuesday? Or Rubio in Fla, or Kasich in Oh? How do you spin this?

I now feel comfortable waiting for Nov with the info from Nevada.

Here something to consider about Nevada's caucus.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...es-plagued-serious-problems-article-1.2541857

 

[mneilmont]

Here something to consider about Nevada's caucus.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...es-plagued-serious-problems-article-1.2541857

Damn, that is terrible that a site supervisor failed to check ID. Every one who votes should be required to produce proper ID.

The picture was just a little too grainy for me to read the signs. How did you get the pictures cleared?

If Trump had these irregularities occur in Nevada and get nearly 50% of the vote, don't you think he would replicate his success in all other states? And for some reason the Republican vote was up 100%. Was that also credited to Trump ledger or another candidate? Don't you think it would be great to have higher participation in voting?

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Damn, that is terrible that a site supervisor failed to check ID. Every one who votes should be required to produce proper ID.

The picture was just a little too grainy for me to read the signs. How did you get the pictures cleared?

If Trump had these irregularities occur in Nevada and get nearly 50% of the vote, don't you think he would replicate his success in all other states? And for some reason the Republican vote was up 100%. Was that also credited to Trump ledger or another candidate? Don't you think it would be great to have higher participation in voting?

The picture was just a bad picture but the people dressed in KKK garb were holding signs that read "Mr. Trump, put up that wall". There is really no way to make them any clearer. I don't have any comments on the allegations that poll workers (caucus leaders) were actually wearing Trump shirts, ballots were lying around, etc. I will say this, I watched both CNN and Fox last night just to notice the contrasts in the broadcasts. Fox never mentioned any of these allegations.

 

[bornaneer]

The picture was just a bad picture but the people dressed in KKK garb were holding signs that read "Mr. Trump, put up that wall". There is really no way to make them any clearer. I don't have any comments on the allegations that poll workers (caucus leaders) were actually wearing Trump shirts, ballots were lying around, etc. I will say this, I watched both CNN and Fox last night just to notice the contrasts in the broadcasts. Fox never mentioned any of these allegations.

Sorry you missed the news.....FOX only deals in facts. [banana]

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Sorry you missed the news.....FOX only deals in facts. [banana]

I'm not saying they're true....but the NY Daily News also reported it.

 

[dave]

The American electorate is generally stupid. Winston Churchill said it best, "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." The American people elected Obama overwhelmingly in 08. Part of his platform was a new healthcare program which he delivered. The American people were beat over the head by conservative mouthpieces relentlessly for years. So the American people generally bought into the conservative argument and flipped the house and senate. Then they re-elected Obama. The American people want the legislative and executive branches to work together. But they don't. I think it's obvious that the GOP controlled Congress is the main culprit. You can look no further than the current supreme court appointment issue as proof. But I digress. So, now, the American people are angry with the status quo. A status quo that they created. I find it curious that most of the anger out there is coming from the right. Yet, Obama's approval numbers are around 48% and the GOP controlled Congress's is 14%. Churchill was obviously right. Stupid people are stupid.

Total ********. Obama didnt do dick with a dem congress either.

 

[Mntneer]

Total ********. Obama didnt do dick with a dem congress either.

I asked weeks ago for a list of his initiatives the drove the economy the past 7 years. Haven't gotten crickets since.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Total ********. Obama didnt do dick with a dem congress either.

Really? He got the ACA passed. And the economic stimulus. New financial regulations. Saved two little auto manufacturers. Ledbetter Act. Unfortunately, his first two years were consumed with fixing the messes he inherited.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

I asked weeks ago for a list of his initiatives the drove the economy the past 7 years. Haven't gotten crickets since.

Even Ray Charles can see the turnaround in the economy. Only a Marshall fan is delusional enough to think the economy is not better under Obama than Bush.

 

[mneilmont]

Even Ray Charles can see the turnaround in the economy. Only a Marshall fan is delusional enough to think the economy is not better under Obama than Bush.

We are going to have to wait another year to do a comparative. Now, if you want to do a comparative between the first 7 years only, I really do not think there is room for argument. GWB head and shoulders above Obama. Both inherited economy in decline. Bush made policy that gave economy jump start. Obama policy only cost a bunch of money with very limited success, and it did not reach all people.

 

[bornaneer]

Even Ray Charles can see the turnaround in the economy. Only a Marshall fan is delusional enough to think the economy is not better under Obama than Bush.

You are a real sicko to use Ray Charles and his handicap in that gross insensitive comment. Does that count as "gross" in you Trump playbook?

 

[Mntneer]

Even Ray Charles can see the turnaround in the economy. Only a Marshall fan is delusional enough to think the economy is not better under Obama than Bush.

How. How did he turn it around? Give me those initiatives, those policies, those laws.

 

[bornaneer]

Even Ray Charles can see the turnaround in the economy. Only a Marshall fan is delusional enough to think the economy is not better under Obama than Bush.

You and your fellow sicko RPJ would really give Trump a run for his money when it comes to insensitive,idiotic and gross statements. Have you two ever thought about running for office.

 

[mneilmont]

You are a real sicko to use Ray Charles and his handicap in that gross insensitive comment. Does that count as "gross" in you Trump playbook?

No, it is proven, and repeated, that those with any handicap are fair game to them. Just sick to name someone with a trait that they cannot help.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

How. How did he turn it around? Give me those initiatives, those policies, those laws.

Stimulus, auto-bailout, unemployment benefits extension, tax cuts off the top of my head.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Stimulus, auto-bailout, unemployment benefits extension, tax cuts off the top of my head.

Obviously things turned around by accident. No, wait, he made it worse just like FDR's policies worsened the Great Depression! Wingnuts and their revisionist history. Amazing.

 

[Mntneer]

Stimulus, auto-bailout, unemployment benefits extension, tax cuts off the top of my head.

The Stimulus encompassed the benefits extension and the tax cuts, and it's long term impact has been highly debatable. The auto-bailout I think it was a success, even though reports indicated the Feds never recovered all of the money dolled out to the manufacturers.

But both the Auto-Bailout and Stimulus were 2009 initiatives.

 

[mneilmont]

The Stimulus encompassed the benefits extension and the tax cuts, and it's long term impact has been highly debatable. The auto-bailout I think it was a success, even though reports indicated the Feds never recovered all of the money dolled out to the manufacturers.

But both the Auto-Bailout and Stimulus were 2009 initiatives.

Auto bail out just accelerated buying a couple months and layoff still came. GM built in China and did help their economy. I possibly stimulated international trade, but haven't seen much written about it.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

The Stimulus encompassed the benefits extension and the tax cuts, and it's long term impact has been highly debatable. The auto-bailout I think it was a success, even though reports indicated the Feds never recovered all of the money dolled out to the manufacturers.

But both the Auto-Bailout and Stimulus were 2009 initiatives.

He's extended tax cuts and employment benefits a few times since the stimulus.
We may not have received every dollar we loaned to the car companies, but how much money did we save by saving the companies in terms of tax revenue and employment benefits?

 

[mneilmont]

He's extended tax cuts and employment benefits a few times since the stimulus.
We may not have received every dollar we loaned to the car companies, but how much money did we save by saving the companies in terms of tax revenue and employment benefits?

I would challenge your assumption that no one would step in and meet demand with supply. Someone would pick up the slack to meet the marker for autos in the US, IMO. The impact is probably not measurable since a change-over did not occur. But the impact of money not recovered from GM is absolute. Others probably took a bath also when the pecking order of claims was altered to benefit unions. My assumption since I have never seen final accounting for reorg.

And never ending unemployment benefits clearly had an impact on some accepting employment before benefits ran out. I am sure you have seen as many pieces written about this as I have. Nearly equally some of your clients were impacted or had people refuse employment prior to termination of benefits. What say you. Any client mention this?