White House List Contradicts Trump Claim That Terror Attacks Go Unreported

[WVex-pat in GA]

President Trump, in another broadside against the news media, on Monday accused "the dishonest press" of failing to report terrorist attacks.

But in a list put out by the White House later Monday evening, many of the attacks cited, such as the attack the Orlando night club shooting last June and 2015 attacks in San Bernardino, Calif., and Paris were extensively covered by the media around the clock.

http://www.npr.org/2017/02/06/51377...t-terrorist-attacks-white-house-promises-list

 

[Boomboom521]

President Trump, in another broadside against the news media, on Monday accused "the dishonest press" of failing to report terrorist attacks.

But in a list put out by the White House later Monday evening, many of the attacks cited, such as the attack the Orlando night club shooting last June and 2015 attacks in San Bernardino, Calif., and Paris were extensively covered by the media around the clock.

http://www.npr.org/2017/02/06/51377...t-terrorist-attacks-white-house-promises-list

I guess we just are not freaking out enough about terrorism. We should all be in the streets demanding war, invasion of privacy, water boarding, walls, immigration bans, Muslim internment camps, and guns in every home.

 

[Boomboom521]

President Trump, in another broadside against the news media, on Monday accused "the dishonest press" of failing to report terrorist attacks.

But in a list put out by the White House later Monday evening, many of the attacks cited, such as the attack the Orlando night club shooting last June and 2015 attacks in San Bernardino, Calif., and Paris were extensively covered by the media around the clock.

http://www.npr.org/2017/02/06/51377...t-terrorist-attacks-white-house-promises-list

What was the goal of the terrorists again? Take over the US? No. Change our way of life and our freedoms by instilling fear at every level? Yep.

 

[bamaEER]

President Trump, in another broadside against the news media, on Monday accused "the dishonest press" of failing to report terrorist attacks.

But in a list put out by the White House later Monday evening, many of the attacks cited, such as the attack the Orlando night club shooting last June and 2015 attacks in San Bernardino, Calif., and Paris were extensively covered by the media around the clock.

http://www.npr.org/2017/02/06/51377...t-terrorist-attacks-white-house-promises-list

He's making Fake News. Total fabrication intended solely to smear the media, plain and simple.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

President Trump, in another broadside against the news media, on Monday accused "the dishonest press" of failing to report terrorist attacks.

But in a list put out by the White House later Monday evening, many of the attacks cited, such as the attack the Orlando night club shooting last June and 2015 attacks in San Bernardino, Calif., and Paris were extensively covered by the media around the clock.

http://www.npr.org/2017/02/06/51377...t-terrorist-attacks-white-house-promises-list

WVU82 linked some BS last night and the first thing it said was that the Washington Post reported (or underreported??? ) an event in Turkey. I knew when Trump made that pathetic claim that fans would role out all these predominantly Muslim on Muslim attacks......and they did....right on queue.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

WVU82 linked some BS last night and the first thing it said was that the Washington Post reported (or underreported??? ) an event in Turkey. I knew when Trump made that pathetic claim that fans would role out all these predominantly Muslim on Muslim attacks......and they did....right on queue.

Your position is events occurring as a result of the refugee crisis in other countries have no bearing or impact on us? We shouldn't be concerned about it?

Interesting strategy.

 

[WVPATX]

Your position is events occurring as a result of the refugee crisis in other countries have no bearing or impact on us? We shouldn't be concerned about it?

Interesting strategy.

There is zero question that the media has underreported terror attacks and not just in this country. The same is true in Germany, Sweden, France, and elsewhere. Why? I honestly don't know except for an attempt to shield the people from what is actually happening.

I don't know about Trump's list, but I do know what I see and read. Terror attacks are generally underreported. Work place violence if I recall. Anger at gay people in Florida killed all those people.

 

[Boomboom521]

There is zero question that the media has underreported terror attacks and not just in this country. The same is true in Germany, Sweden, France, and elsewhere. Why? I honestly don't know except for an attempt to shield the people from what is actually happening.

I don't know about Trump's list, but I do know what I see and read. Terror attacks are generally underreported. Work place violence if I recall. Anger at gay people in Florida killed all those people.

Why is it Paxx, does the leftists want terrorism to take over the world? Is it part of the left wing conspiracy to control the world?

 

[WVMade]

There is zero question that the media has underreported terror attacks and not just in this country. The same is true in Germany, Sweden, France, and elsewhere. Why? I honestly don't know except for an attempt to shield the people from what is actually happening.

I don't know about Trump's list, but I do know what I see and read. Terror attacks are generally underreported. Work place violence if I recall. Anger at gay people in Florida killed all those people.

Trump said to his minion "you know why", didn't he? Trump's only goal is to keep frightening his fan-club into submission. He might have the rest of you shaking in your boots, not us.

 

[Keyser76]

PatX knows for sure that terrorism is underreported because he read about it and saw it, lol. Who was reporting on the under reported?

 

[WVPATX]

Why is it Paxx, does the leftists want terrorism to take over the world? Is it part of the left wing conspiracy to control the world?

No, I think the main stream media plays it down because they don't want a "war on terror." They believe it is a mistake. They mistakenly believe Muslims are being persecuted in greater numbers than other religions in the U.S. and don't want to be seen as contributing to that. I also don't believe they think terrorism is that big of a problem.

 

[Boomboom521]

No, I think the main stream media plays it down because they don't want a "war on terror." They believe it is a mistake. They mistakenly believe Muslims are being persecuted in greater numbers than other religions in the U.S. and don't want to be seen as contributing to that. I also don't believe they think terrorism is that big of a problem.

At least your reasons make sense. Although, I think they see terrorism as a big problem, and I think they see Islamophobia as a threat to American ideals.

 

[WVPATX]

At least your reasons make sense. Although, I think they see terrorism as a big problem, and I think they see Islamophobia as a threat to American ideals.

I honestly don't Boom. I don't think they see terrorism as a big problem. I do agree they believe that Muslims are mistreated and subject to anti-Muslim violence more than other faiths. But they are wrong in this assumption as crime reports show. But it is there opinion.

http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael...nti-religious-hate-crimes-muslims-targeted-16

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

At least your reasons make sense. Although, I think they see terrorism as a big problem, and I think they see Islamophobia as a threat to American ideals.

I agree. I just wish American Muslims were as outspoken against radical Islam as they are against persecution for their beliefs. It seems they spend more time trying to paint Islam in a good light vs condemning the behavior of the nuts.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

We shouldn't be concerned about it?

No, we shouldn't, because the path to getting to those countries vs. the path getting to ours is entirely different.

Right wing extremists are much more of a threat here in the US. In the decade after 911, they committed over 300 attacks a year with something like 250 fatalities. You have the nut job shooting up the Planned Parenthood in CO. You have the nut job driving from NC to DC to start shooting in a pizza joint. You have Dylan Roof and the nut job that killed all those people at the Mosque. As far as what's going on in this country ... the right wing extremists pose 7 times the threat that Islamic terrorists do.

 

[wvu2007]

I agree. I just wish American Muslims were as outspoken against radical Islam as they are against persecution for their beliefs. It seems they spend more time trying to paint Islam in a good light vs condemning the behavior of the nuts.

This

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

No, we shouldn't, because the path to getting to those countries vs. the path getting to ours is entirely different.

Not if the loons on the left have their way. We're on our way of it being discriminatory to vette those countries.

We disagree that we shouldn't pay attention to world affairs. Sorry.

 

[Mntneer]

No, we shouldn't, because the path to getting to those countries vs. the path getting to ours is entirely different.

Right wing extremists are much more of a threat here in the US. In the decade after 911, they committed over 300 attacks a year with something like 250 fatalities. You have the nut job shooting up the Planned Parenthood in CO. You have the nut job driving from NC to DC to start shooting in a pizza joint. You have Dylan Roof and the nut job that killed all those people at the Mosque. As far as what's going on in this country ... the right wing extremists pose 7 times the threat that Islamic terrorists do.

Okay... which flawed study did that come from?

As Dog points out. The left's mentality on refugees mirrors what "those countries" have right now. I don't want to ever see a "Calais" here.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Not if the loons on the left have their way. We're on our way of it being discriminatory to vette those countries.

We disagree that we shouldn't pay attention to world affairs. Sorry.

We should pay attention to world affairs, yes, of course. But we shouldn't draw equivalencies to those world affairs where equivalencies don't exist.

I don't get where you're saying we're on our way of it being discriminatory to vet those countries. We've been vetting them for years, people that are knowledgeable know that we have and don't have an issue with it. What people have an issue with is the actual discriminatory practice of prioritizing one religion over another when deciding who is allowed to come in.

And if you're being honest with yourself, you have to admit that Trump set the stage for all of this with his campaign rhetoric of increase surveillance of Mosques in the US, by talking about banning Muslims from entering the country, or of having a Muslim registry. Then he comes out with the Executive Order, and while the wording on the actual EO may be different, it was still publicly referred to as a Muslim ban, by him. They backed off that, but you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

All during the campaign we were told to take him seriously but not literally ... but so far with some of these things, it looks like we really should have been taking him literally.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Okay... which flawed study did that come from?

As Dog points out. The left's mentality on refugees mirrors what "those countries" have right now. I don't want to ever see a "Calais" here.

I don't recall exactly where it came from, but it was a couple of years ago ... before the other incidents that I pointed to explicitly.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

We should pay attention to world affairs, yes, of course. But we shouldn't draw equivalencies to those world affairs where equivalencies don't exist.

I don't get where you're saying we're on our way of it being discriminatory to vet those countries. We've been vetting them for years, people that are knowledgeable know that we have and don't have an issue with it. What people have an issue with is the actual discriminatory practice of prioritizing one religion over another when deciding who is allowed to come in.

And if you're being honest with yourself, you have to admit that Trump set the stage for all of this with his campaign rhetoric of increase surveillance of Mosques in the US, by talking about banning Muslims from entering the country, or of having a Muslim registry. Then he comes out with the Executive Order, and while the wording on the actual EO may be different, it was still publicly referred to as a Muslim ban, by him. They backed off that, but you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

All during the campaign we were told to take him seriously but not literally ... but so far with some of these things, it looks like we really should have been taking him literally.

I know we vette well, not to the level of detail you do, but I'm confident in our practices. With that said, the wording of the EO was a 90 day moratorium for countries which pose the highest risk while we assess our current processes. I see nothing wrong with that. No system is failproof.

I was being sarcastic about the vetting being deemed as discriminatory practices by the leftist loons. Though now that I think about it, it's maybe not so sarcastic with their recent behavior.

As for the prioritization, we've absolutely prioritized religious and specific ethnicities all throughout our immigration history if they were being specifically targeted. They were minority religions in the past though. There was a Christian genocide in Syria, they deserve priority to get the hell out of there.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

I know we vette well, not to the level of detail you do, but I'm confident in our practices. With that said, the wording of the EO was a 90 day moratorium for countries which pose the highest risk while we assess our current processes. I see nothing wrong with that. No system is failproof.

I was being sarcastic about the vetting being deemed as discriminatory practices by the leftist loons. Though now that I think about it, it's maybe not so sarcastic with their recent behavior.

As for the prioritization, we've absolutely prioritized religious and specific ethnicities all throughout our immigration history if they were being specifically targeted. They were minority religions in the past though. There was a Christian genocide in Syria, they deserve priority to get the hell out of there.

I don't have an issue with a 90 day moratorium in a general sense ... my issue with this one is this:

Who decided that there is an issue with our vetting process? (you've used vette twice, is that the proper spelling? if so, I've always been spelling it wrong)
What exactly brought them to conclude that there was a problem with our vetting process?
What exactly are they proposing that we change? To implement a change, it seems you'd have to identify a specific problem to address, and they've never mentioned an actual problem.

And, the roll out on this one was sloppy and not carefully thought out obviously.

As far as the "leftist loons" are concerned ... to me, the argument that this is just faux outrage by the left loses credibility when every judge has ruled against it. It obviously isn't holding up under scrutiny regarding our laws and the constitution, so this isn't just liberals being liberals. (and I admit the liberals go overboard in many cases ... way overboard)

 

[Boomboom521]

I don't have an issue with a 90 day moratorium in a general sense ... my issue with this one is this:

Who decided that there is an issue with our vetting process? (you've used vette twice, is that the proper spelling? if so, I've always been spelling it wrong)
What exactly brought them to conclude that there was a problem with our vetting process?
What exactly are they proposing that we change? To implement a change, it seems you'd have to identify a specific problem to address, and they've never mentioned an actual problem.

And, the roll out on this one was sloppy and not carefully thought out obviously.

As far as the "leftist loons" are concerned ... to me, the argument that this is just faux outrage by the left loses credibility when every judge has ruled against it. It obviously isn't holding up under scrutiny regarding our laws and the constitution, so this isn't just liberals being liberals. (and I admit the liberals go overboard in many cases ... way overboard)

I think you hit on the real issue for many. It's so much about national security...ok. What is it that we are changing about the process? When do these countries get taken off "the list"? Is there an avenue for people effected by the EO? Specifics.
But not only does he fail to provide specifics on procedures that CONGRESS usually determines, his language during the campaign was so incendiary, vague, and aggressive. So this is where a 90 day moratorium turns into much more for many people. I'm less upset about the 90 days than I am the general strategy of the administration. "Big bad President Trump getting thing done"....without any real appreciation of the processes of our government. "If something happens, blame the judge"...and people see it exactly that way.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

"If something happens, blame the judge"...and people see it exactly that way.

I know what kind of reception this statement will get, but:

These kinds of statements concern me as much as anything. He's trying to discredit the press, and now discredit members of the judiciary branch. He is trying to paint himself as the sole source of truth (meanwhile, EVERY statistic he utters is completely wrong) and the only person in the government looking out for our safety. These things are 3rd world dictator types of actions and attitudes.

If something happens, blame the judge .... these are words that should never be uttered by the president. We have 3 branches of government for a reason. For somebody that spouted "rule of law, rule of law, rule of law" so many times during the debate ... he seems to have little tolerance for our laws and procedures and checks and balances. This is all part of "rule of law" just as much as stopping crime in Chicago, and arguably more important.

 

[Boomboom521]

I know what kind of reception this statement will get, but:

These kinds of statements concern me as much as anything. He's trying to discredit the press, and now discredit members of the judiciary branch. He is trying to paint himself as the sole source of truth (meanwhile, EVERY statistic he utters is completely wrong) and the only person in the government looking out for our safety. These things are 3rd world dictator types of actions and attitudes.

If something happens, blame the judge .... these are words that should never be uttered by the president. We have 3 branches of government for a reason. For somebody that spouted "rule of law, rule of law, rule of law" so many times during the debate ... he seems to have little tolerance for our laws and procedures and checks and balances. This is all part of "rule of law" just as much as stopping crime in Chicago, and arguably more important.

I'm with you. I know it's early, but he's acting even worse than I feared. What's crazy is these actions are directly out of the playbook that keeps Putin in power. Nationalism, connection to the country's religious majority, creation of a domestic enemy personified by his opposition, and a foreign enemy so capable of mounting overwealming devastation that people allow that fear to dominate their decision making.

Of course, to have the same power as Putin he would need direct control over the IC and police forces. He would need to have cooperation with organized crime as well. I don't know how far fetched gaining those two arms of power are for him in the US right now.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I know what kind of reception this statement will get, but:

These kinds of statements concern me as much as anything. He's trying to discredit the press, and now discredit members of the judiciary branch. He is trying to paint himself as the sole source of truth (meanwhile, EVERY statistic he utters is completely wrong) and the only person in the government looking out for our safety. These things are 3rd world dictator types of actions and attitudes.

If something happens, blame the judge .... these are words that should never be uttered by the president. We have 3 branches of government for a reason. For somebody that spouted "rule of law, rule of law, rule of law" so many times during the debate ... he seems to have little tolerance for our laws and procedures and checks and balances. This is all part of "rule of law" just as much as stopping crime in Chicago, and arguably more important.

I'm in agreement with you on this one.