I believe that the Committee will still give the ACC one of the #1 seeds on Sunday. I know alot of fans on here and other fan sites would say UVA right now because of the Duke hate but I would not count out the Committee to say on Sunday that Duke is one of the #1 seeds in the tourney. I am sure the faithful Dick Vitale has already called the Committee to tell them that for sure Duke a #1 seed in the NCAA Tourney!
Who are the new #1 Seeds
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UKwaildcatfanforlife: "You seem to want to forget Duke's BAD losses and their CLOSE wins. Don't they count, or are you a closet Duke fan."
Who has Arizona beaten. Bottom line, answer that question please. Duke played in, by far, the toughest conference in the country and has wins @ Wisconsin, @ UVA and @ UL. Arizona, Villanova, Gonzaga, Wisconsin and even UK can't say that. Yes, duke has 2 bad losses (get out of here with the close wins crap, you don't get penalized for that) but my goodness look at Arizona's bad losses. UNLV??? Really? Have you actually watched Arizona play? It's mind boggling how anyone thinks they are anything better than a 5 seed to me but okay, they are at least a 3 due to record but like Villanova, Wisconsin, Gonzaga and KU, if you don't play anyone it's kind of tough to lose isn't it? So what, duke lost to Notre Dame today, well guess what, ND is a 2 seed...in the NCAAT, not the NIT.
Who has Arizona beaten. Bottom line, answer that question please. Duke played in, by far, the toughest conference in the country and has wins @ Wisconsin, @ UVA and @ UL. Arizona, Villanova, Gonzaga, Wisconsin and even UK can't say that. Yes, duke has 2 bad losses (get out of here with the close wins crap, you don't get penalized for that) but my goodness look at Arizona's bad losses. UNLV??? Really? Have you actually watched Arizona play? It's mind boggling how anyone thinks they are anything better than a 5 seed to me but okay, they are at least a 3 due to record but like Villanova, Wisconsin, Gonzaga and KU, if you don't play anyone it's kind of tough to lose isn't it? So what, duke lost to Notre Dame today, well guess what, ND is a 2 seed...in the NCAAT, not the NIT.
I do t think the ACC is the best conference for one thing. It's has better teams at the top but is bad after 5 teams. That aside, I wouldn't give Arizona a 1 seed. They should go to Kentucky, Villanova, Wisconsin, and Virginia. This is assuming Wisconsin and Villanova win their tournaments.
Midwest
1 UK
2 KU*
East
1 Nova*
2 UVA
South
1 Wisconsin*
2. Dook
West
1. Arizona*
2. Gonzaga
* Need to win conference tourney
1 UK
2 KU*
East
1 Nova*
2 UVA
South
1 Wisconsin*
2. Dook
West
1. Arizona*
2. Gonzaga
* Need to win conference tourney
I think if you are ranking the possible 1 seeds right now it is pretty obvious that UK is #1 in a 100% lock, Nova is #2 in a 100% lock pending win tomorrow over 9-9 conference foe Xavier, and then it gets a bit more hazy, but in no particular order for the last 2 one seed consideration, 1. Duke 2. Wisconsin 3. UVA.
The only way a team like Arizona is getting the last 1 is if Nova and Wisconsin lose tomorrow...then MAYBE some of ya'lls pipedream could come true of seeing Arizona as a 1 seed. I think some are putting way too much value in winning a pretty mediocre 3 bid Pac 12.
The thing is, I 100% think Arizona is one of the best 4 teams along with UK, Wisconsin and Duke as far as potential if they all play their best games...but the 3 terrible losses are too much to overcome just because they won their garbage conference's regular season and tourney. Placing them as the 2 out west is not a punishment, and helps balance the brackets.
In another thread a poster started recently, I like that Jerry Palm has Duke as a 2 in the east. If I'm following the logic of Palm, putting Duke in the east is due to Syracuse not being that much further away from Durham than Cleveland. I think you also have a situation where you now have a midwest team in KU and an eastern team in Duke...vying for those 2's in Cleveland and Syracuse when before it was KU/Wisconsin (both Midwest teams so one would have to b e shipped east as a 2, namely KU), but now the committee can say "It is like 50 more miles to Syracuse for Duke...so what...and this way we can keep KU closer to home as well instead of sending them way east" so I think UK may get the 2 seed they have EARNED after all, but beware of the committee's cheating and shenanigans against UK, AND Wisconsin and Nova still need to win out first. The way this weekend is going, is that a given?
And apologies to some if I have come on strong with this, but I am all about UK getting the fairest bracket, and all about every team getting where they should be to make it fair for all the top 1/2 seeds for balance. Plus, I find this bracketology stuff really entertaining and interesting. I respect people saying Arizona as their 4th one seed prediction, but I just do not buy it. We shall see.
The only way a team like Arizona is getting the last 1 is if Nova and Wisconsin lose tomorrow...then MAYBE some of ya'lls pipedream could come true of seeing Arizona as a 1 seed. I think some are putting way too much value in winning a pretty mediocre 3 bid Pac 12.
The thing is, I 100% think Arizona is one of the best 4 teams along with UK, Wisconsin and Duke as far as potential if they all play their best games...but the 3 terrible losses are too much to overcome just because they won their garbage conference's regular season and tourney. Placing them as the 2 out west is not a punishment, and helps balance the brackets.
In another thread a poster started recently, I like that Jerry Palm has Duke as a 2 in the east. If I'm following the logic of Palm, putting Duke in the east is due to Syracuse not being that much further away from Durham than Cleveland. I think you also have a situation where you now have a midwest team in KU and an eastern team in Duke...vying for those 2's in Cleveland and Syracuse when before it was KU/Wisconsin (both Midwest teams so one would have to b e shipped east as a 2, namely KU), but now the committee can say "It is like 50 more miles to Syracuse for Duke...so what...and this way we can keep KU closer to home as well instead of sending them way east" so I think UK may get the 2 seed they have EARNED after all, but beware of the committee's cheating and shenanigans against UK, AND Wisconsin and Nova still need to win out first. The way this weekend is going, is that a given?
And apologies to some if I have come on strong with this, but I am all about UK getting the fairest bracket, and all about every team getting where they should be to make it fair for all the top 1/2 seeds for balance. Plus, I find this bracketology stuff really entertaining and interesting. I respect people saying Arizona as their 4th one seed prediction, but I just do not buy it. We shall see.
If Duke gets a 1 seed over Virginia, the selection committee has lost what little integrity they have left. Same goes for Duke getting a 1 over Wisconsin and Villanova, assuming they win out.
UKwildcatfanforlife: "I do t think the ACC is the best conference for one thing."
Stop it, what conference is better? I don't care what service you look at the ACC is by far the best conference. yes they're top heavy but look at the B12, a bunch of mediocre teams and KU who is a little better than mediocre, is that a better conference? The Big10 has Wisconsin and Maryland and Maryland is a good 3 seed but that's about it.
You're really hurting your argument when you make statements like what's quoted above. Nevertheless, Arizona and Villanova play in dam near mid major conferences, they would have at least 5 losses if they played in the ACC.
Stop it, what conference is better? I don't care what service you look at the ACC is by far the best conference. yes they're top heavy but look at the B12, a bunch of mediocre teams and KU who is a little better than mediocre, is that a better conference? The Big10 has Wisconsin and Maryland and Maryland is a good 3 seed but that's about it.
You're really hurting your argument when you make statements like what's quoted above. Nevertheless, Arizona and Villanova play in dam near mid major conferences, they would have at least 5 losses if they played in the ACC.
Actually, I think the Big East has the highest conference RPI. So, no. The ACC isn't the best conference. It's as bad as the SEC once you get past the top 4-5 teams and Louisville isn't as good as Arkansas.
Yep Duke will end up a 2 seed and still get a cake walk to the FF. The NCAA will let Murray State in and they will be the 1 seed in Dukes bracket.
So we are bragging that the SEC's 2nd best team is better than the ACC's 5th best? I don't see how that is anything to brag about.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/conference
Now it has the Big East second behind the Big 12. ACC in third. So much for that great ACC.
There's no doubt the ACC is better than the SEC. I was just stating that once you get past the top 4-5 teams in the ACC, the rest are no better than the SEC. I was also pointing out to Jeffy that the ACC isn't the great conference he seems to think it is.
The committee can do whatever they want right now and justify it any way they want.
Going into the day:
1. UK
2. UVA
3. Duke
4. Nova
5. UW
6. Zona
7. Zaga
8. KU
So UVA and Duke should slide down, but how far? If Nova, UW, and Zona win their tourney, should they pass them both? Nova probably moves up to the second spot. UW should move up to the third spot at least. I doubt UVA drops off the 1 line, since they were ACC regular season champs. Duke drops to a 2 seed.
So Nova stays East, UW goes South, and UVA goes West. Zona stays West as the top 2 seed (just as good as a 1 since they stay home). Duke stays East as the second 1 seed. Then they give us either KU or Zaga. I think if KU wins the Big 12, they get Houston and Zaga comes to Cleveland. They lose, and KU probably comes to Cleveland.
I'm thinking:
Midwest- UK/KU
East- Nova//Duke
South- UW/Zaga
West- UVA/Zona
I think that is about as close to the S-curve as we are going to get.
Going into the day:
1. UK
2. UVA
3. Duke
4. Nova
5. UW
6. Zona
7. Zaga
8. KU
So UVA and Duke should slide down, but how far? If Nova, UW, and Zona win their tourney, should they pass them both? Nova probably moves up to the second spot. UW should move up to the third spot at least. I doubt UVA drops off the 1 line, since they were ACC regular season champs. Duke drops to a 2 seed.
So Nova stays East, UW goes South, and UVA goes West. Zona stays West as the top 2 seed (just as good as a 1 since they stay home). Duke stays East as the second 1 seed. Then they give us either KU or Zaga. I think if KU wins the Big 12, they get Houston and Zaga comes to Cleveland. They lose, and KU probably comes to Cleveland.
I'm thinking:
Midwest- UK/KU
East- Nova//Duke
South- UW/Zaga
West- UVA/Zona
I think that is about as close to the S-curve as we are going to get.
apparently the bottom feeders in the ACC really drag the conference down but there is no denying that the top 5-6 teams are better across the board than the top 5-6 in any other conference.
Sorry, I don't care what the numbers say, the Big east is not a top conference, that has to be a joke.
Sorry, I don't care what the numbers say, the Big east is not a top conference, that has to be a joke.
2015 #1 NCAA seeds
- Kentucky Wildcats
- Duke Blue Devils
- Wisconsin Badgers
- Arizona Wildcats
This would setup one of the best tournaments in a long long long long time. Imagine all four #1 seeds in the final four (which has never happened I believe). It would be a perfect ending to a great season and a flat out war with future NBA stars on each team. Please committee.
- Kentucky Wildcats
- Duke Blue Devils
- Wisconsin Badgers
- Arizona Wildcats
This would setup one of the best tournaments in a long long long long time. Imagine all four #1 seeds in the final four (which has never happened I believe). It would be a perfect ending to a great season and a flat out war with future NBA stars on each team. Please committee.
You were the one arguing. I just showed you the numbers you requested. Ignore them if you want to in order to support your own contention.
I think you have two wrong.
East: Villanova
Midwest: Kentucky
South: Virginia
West: Wisconsin
Virginia and Wisconsin could switch regions, but it really wouldn't matter. I see Duke as the 2 in the East.
By the way, this is how I think it SHOULD end up. However, knowing how the NCAA protects Duke it won't surprise me if they still get a 1 seed. Regardless, they should not get one.
midwest
1. UK
2. Wis
east
1. Nova
2. Duke
South
1. UVA
2. ku
West
1. Zona
2. Gonzag
Here is what I think will be. I know, how is zona a 1 seed? cause in the past the NCAA has said that a team can move up or down a seed to help with certain rules. With distance from campus such a factor(atleast what everyone is saying) then I think they move who ever the 4th #1 to a 2 seed and move zona to the west. Why make uva duke or nova out west when they can just move them to a 2 seed and keep them close to their campus.
1. UK
2. Wis
east
1. Nova
2. Duke
South
1. UVA
2. ku
West
1. Zona
2. Gonzag
Here is what I think will be. I know, how is zona a 1 seed? cause in the past the NCAA has said that a team can move up or down a seed to help with certain rules. With distance from campus such a factor(atleast what everyone is saying) then I think they move who ever the 4th #1 to a 2 seed and move zona to the west. Why make uva duke or nova out west when they can just move them to a 2 seed and keep them close to their campus.
Jerry Palm (who is only ranked 52nd out of 76 so take this info for what it's worth)
has Wisky as a #1 and Duke as #2 and has Gonzaga in Kentucky's region as a #2.
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
has Wisky as a #1 and Duke as #2 and has Gonzaga in Kentucky's region as a #2.
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
Does anybody know how in the hell good is Arizona????? If you think Gonzaga is suspect and with Utah losing again tonight and being exposed as not a top 20 basketball team who have they beaten? Nobody is who! The Pac 12 was garbage this year and you know it's sad when the SEC is looking down at you in basketball production. You watch them play and they play great D and struggle on Offense but Stanley Johnson is a top 5 pick talent. They have 3 solid big guys who play and decent senior point guard. I have no clue??? They are an enigma having not really beaten anyone significant. They are definitely top 15 good....but top 10? top 5?
Lots of good talk and discussion in this thread. I'll go with :
Midwest
1 - Kentucky (overall #1 seed)
2 - Kansas (last on the #2 seed line, also I think the NCAAT SC has good reason to put them in UK's region. 1) KU has already lost to UK, so it gives them a storyline for KU revenge, a chance to do better this time around and make it interesting ... plus 2) if KU loses which would be expected, it's no skin off any other teams' nose because everyone will be happy that KU has to lose to UK again so that better matchups vs. could happen in the Final Four and title game, 3)KU should - at the very best for them - last on the 2 seed line, 4) Midwest is KU's natural region)
West
1 - Wisconsin (last#1 seed) plus, as I understand it, the west region winner faces the midwest, so they don't want to stack the other side of the bracket with too many of the top teams that actually look like they could have a chance to beat UK only having to knock each other off en-route to a shot at UK.
2 - Arizona
South
1 - Virginia - (third #1 seed) Even though they lost, they still won the ACC regular season, which, in my opinion, should net them the third #1 seed over Duke. Although it is really close to a toss up that they could simply switch Duke to the #1 seed in this region, swapping with UVA and making UVA the 2 seed in the east with Nova'....
2 - Gonzaga
East
1 - Villanova (second #1 seed) - will look good to give them to Duke as a second overall #1 seed, a team Duke could handle
2 - Duke : slides to this slot as a result of the loss. Still a good shot at winning a weak region, plus it also sets up what I think the NCAAT SC will want to do for storyline reasons : put Maryland as the #3 seed in the East to create that rivalry matchup with the blue devils that ended when the terps' left the ACC....
That's the bottom line for me. I think it really just comes down to who they justify between Duke and UVA getting that third #1 seed, also all of this is assuming Wisconsin and Nova win out to secure their #1 seeds. Should one of them fall, it opens the door for Duke, most likely, to nab a #1 seed. Gonna be really interesting to see how the NCAAT SC justifies whatever they do ....
Midwest
1 - Kentucky (overall #1 seed)
2 - Kansas (last on the #2 seed line, also I think the NCAAT SC has good reason to put them in UK's region. 1) KU has already lost to UK, so it gives them a storyline for KU revenge, a chance to do better this time around and make it interesting ... plus 2) if KU loses which would be expected, it's no skin off any other teams' nose because everyone will be happy that KU has to lose to UK again so that better matchups vs. could happen in the Final Four and title game, 3)KU should - at the very best for them - last on the 2 seed line, 4) Midwest is KU's natural region)
West
1 - Wisconsin (last#1 seed) plus, as I understand it, the west region winner faces the midwest, so they don't want to stack the other side of the bracket with too many of the top teams that actually look like they could have a chance to beat UK only having to knock each other off en-route to a shot at UK.
2 - Arizona
South
1 - Virginia - (third #1 seed) Even though they lost, they still won the ACC regular season, which, in my opinion, should net them the third #1 seed over Duke. Although it is really close to a toss up that they could simply switch Duke to the #1 seed in this region, swapping with UVA and making UVA the 2 seed in the east with Nova'....
2 - Gonzaga
East
1 - Villanova (second #1 seed) - will look good to give them to Duke as a second overall #1 seed, a team Duke could handle
2 - Duke : slides to this slot as a result of the loss. Still a good shot at winning a weak region, plus it also sets up what I think the NCAAT SC will want to do for storyline reasons : put Maryland as the #3 seed in the East to create that rivalry matchup with the blue devils that ended when the terps' left the ACC....
That's the bottom line for me. I think it really just comes down to who they justify between Duke and UVA getting that third #1 seed, also all of this is assuming Wisconsin and Nova win out to secure their #1 seeds. Should one of them fall, it opens the door for Duke, most likely, to nab a #1 seed. Gonna be really interesting to see how the NCAAT SC justifies whatever they do ....
I think it would be hard to justify a 1 seed for UVA based on Anderson. He's not even close to the player he was before his problems. Kind of reminds me in a way of Cincinnati back when they had Kenyon Martin. Ranked No.1 in the country I believe when he broke his leg in the conference tournament (whatever conf. they were in at the time). I believe the committee dropped them to a 2 seed in the NCAAs and they wound up losing in the second round....were not even close to the team they were.
Ohio colonel, I have been trying to say the same thing. Yes, UVA won the ACC but they are not the same team, not even close. Duke will get the 1 based on a couple of factors.
1) they beat UVA AT UVA.
2) they have a better overall reseme
UVA is going to end up as a 2 seed and my lord people, please stop with the "Arizona is a 1 seed" crap. No way are they a 1 seed. Their best win is an overtime win at home against Gonzaga. So what. Other than that they have played an awful schedule and lost to 3 teams that are, at best, NIT quality. They don't have enough quality wins to be a 1 seed and if you think they are then you haven't watched them play.
1) they beat UVA AT UVA.
2) they have a better overall reseme
UVA is going to end up as a 2 seed and my lord people, please stop with the "Arizona is a 1 seed" crap. No way are they a 1 seed. Their best win is an overtime win at home against Gonzaga. So what. Other than that they have played an awful schedule and lost to 3 teams that are, at best, NIT quality. They don't have enough quality wins to be a 1 seed and if you think they are then you haven't watched them play.