Tressels offense was kind of offensive as in with all the talent he had he should of put up bigger numbers. He would be able to recruit Ohio thats for sure.
Who do you want to be UK's next HC? Poll
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Tressels offense was kind of offensive as in with all the talent he had he should of put up bigger numbers. He would be able to recruit Ohio thats for sure.
PJ Fleck is turning into my number one choice.
Dynamic recruiter, young, relates EXTREMELY well to these guys. He runs an uptempo offense, had nearly 6,000 total yards last year,
Sign him up please.
Dynamic recruiter, young, relates EXTREMELY well to these guys. He runs an uptempo offense, had nearly 6,000 total yards last year,
Sign him up please.
People are laughing at Brown, but he is one of the few who won't laugh at us and will probably be on MB's short list. However, I wouldn't go after him just yet. I'd wait till he takes a step up to a little bit better mid major type school in a slightly tougher conference and see how things shake out.
Folks our realistic options are few and far between.
Not sure about PJ Fleck or young cats like him. He inherited an okay WM program in the MAC. Taking over UK and trying to climb the SEC hill is a bit different.
I think we may have to venture way off the beaten path, kind of like we did with Mumme, and go for somebody unconventional like Niumatalolo or his OC Jasper at Navy.
Or we can go the old retired papaw route. Some body like June Jones. Anybody who can win at Hawaii and SMU is a serious HC who knows what the f*** he's doing.
Both guys have a little bit more of a body of work proving they can do more with less and build non traditionally competitive programs into winning programs, than a lot of the hot up and coming guys.
Folks our realistic options are few and far between.
Not sure about PJ Fleck or young cats like him. He inherited an okay WM program in the MAC. Taking over UK and trying to climb the SEC hill is a bit different.
I think we may have to venture way off the beaten path, kind of like we did with Mumme, and go for somebody unconventional like Niumatalolo or his OC Jasper at Navy.
Or we can go the old retired papaw route. Some body like June Jones. Anybody who can win at Hawaii and SMU is a serious HC who knows what the f*** he's doing.
Both guys have a little bit more of a body of work proving they can do more with less and build non traditionally competitive programs into winning programs, than a lot of the hot up and coming guys.
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Coaching at the alma mater isn't all it's cracked up to be for some of these guys. If it goes south, the emotional ties/relationships can complicate it all. Joker was a perfect example. UK was his dream job too.
I don't think he would leave Navy. But Jasper would. GT's OC would be a solid hire that would listen. Would also be tough to convince Monken to leave Army as this is his first season there after having been at GSU.
I'll admit to not not knowing jack about WM's program, but It couldn't have been in great shape. I mean he went 1-11 his first season. He completely changed the culture there and has been to back to back bowl games in just three seasons. The players and fans love him and his offense speaks for itself. As someone stated he'll be at a power 5 school very soon. I think right now he only makes around 400k, so we likely wouldn't even have to offer him a huge deal to get his attention.
Speaking of Hudspeth, he's not off to the best of starts. Fired his DC after the first game.
He has underachieved almost every year since the 2007 title with recruiting classes on par with the ones that Meyer, Saban and Fisher have brought in every year, and in a state with ZERO in-state competition. He is horrible at making adjustments and can't manage a clock or develop a QB to save his life. Quite a few people think that he's a great coach, which is laughable because there are at least 8 coaches that are better than him.
There's no way that anyone on that list could possibly be as bad as what we have now.
With all due respect, sir. I am a UT fan and hiring Kiffinwould not piss me off but I do think it would be a big mistake for UK. You never know from one minute to another what the guy is gonna do. That said, Sabanocchio stays on his *** constantly, so maybe he's learning to be a man, instead of a punk.JMO
PJ Fleck, Josh McDaniel and the S. Miss coach who is curretly OC @ Jacksonville, and Brohm are the top 4 and most realistic to get imo.
If im going for the grand slam im calling Gruden for him to tell me no.
If im going for the grand slam im calling Gruden for him to tell me no.
Andre, Andre, Andre. Problem is the corner is as big as the Great Wall of China.
We haven't seen an Air Raid since Mumme left. I know both Brown and Dawson claimed to run one but with the degree of Stoops' interference it resembled the Old Oklahoma wish bone as much as it did an Air Raid.
If we keep hiring just because they are better then what we had, we will never get better. We need a home run, nothing else will work and if they have to fire everyone up to president, so be it. We need football thinking people in administration and I'm not not the basketball side but Cal is handling his part very well, now its time for football to stand up.
LSU is one school that recruits itself very well without having a great HC. Kids there grow up wanting to go to LSU and that tradition.
This. Stoops hamstrung Brown at every turn. It's no wonder he wanted to get out of dodge. I said it at the time to be careful what we wished for in pushing Brown out the door and it turned out to be true when we look at the OC's that have been here since. Brown ended up scoring a whole lot of points against a whole lot of good defenses (Miss. St, Florida, Georgia, Louisville, etc) in year two with half the talent/experience that this team has. That guy got the raw end of the deal and looking back it's a shame that 90% of our fanbase tried to lay all of the team's problems on him instead of where it belonged with Stoops and Dee Jay.
Out of the people on that list I voted Lane Kiffin, mainly because it would piss Tennessee fans off so much and I think he's learned a lot from being under Saban's wing. But he wouldn't even be my first choice.
As for the other options:
No way Barhart touches Briles with a million mile pole, same for Leach.
Brohm will get a better offers than us.
Herman LMAO no way in HELL he would come here, he will be at a traditional power next season or the NFL.
Durkin isn't leaving Maryland after just 1 season there.
Les Miles would be Bill Curry 2.0
Hudspeth had a losing record at ULL last season.
Brown is a possibility, but I wouldn't like the hire.
Ash who knows how he turns out as a head coach, could be a Stoops 2.0
As for the other options:
No way Barhart touches Briles with a million mile pole, same for Leach.
Brohm will get a better offers than us.
Herman LMAO no way in HELL he would come here, he will be at a traditional power next season or the NFL.
Durkin isn't leaving Maryland after just 1 season there.
Les Miles would be Bill Curry 2.0
Hudspeth had a losing record at ULL last season.
Brown is a possibility, but I wouldn't like the hire.
Ash who knows how he turns out as a head coach, could be a Stoops 2.0
They run a pro style offense with a spread quarterback and never figure out why it doesn't work. It seems like the only play in the playbook that works is hand the ball to Fornette.
The Mad Hatter has had his moments in the past but I think the game has passed him by.
Some good points. I disagree with the Brohm take though. The schools that are better than UK wouldn't be offering a coach from Western Ky. They're in a position to get better candidates and more of a sure thing. They're going to have the pick of the litter and don't have to go with a coach like Brohm who although looks really promising is still a risk at the end of the day.
A coach rarely goes from a WKU to an LSU. He goes from a WKU to a UK to an LSU.
Schools that are "superior" to UK will have much more attractive/reliable candidates than Brohm to choose from. A school like UK would be the logical next step for a coach like Brohm..not a great football school but still a school that plays in a power-5 conference.
That's not always the case. To name just a few recent examples, Jim McElwain went from Colorado St. to Florida. Va. Tech got Fuente from Memphis. USC hired an interim coach who had been a coordinator. Tennessee got Jones from UC, a program that is in theory above Western, but not in practice. Auburn got Malzahn from god knows where- I can't even remember. Oregon hired a coordinator; so did Georgia. This time Michigan got Harbaugh; the time before that, they found Hoke from some directional or city school.
It wouldn't surprise me at all, if Brohm leaves WKU, to have a very big landing spot.
Probably true about the LSU coach, but unfortunately you aren't on the Bama board, we are not in the running for ANY of the top eight coaches in the nation-----and a few of them are probably on that list.. However, I do think UK is a much better job than a City College in the long run, and if the stupid NCAA would take a look at the football program while they are there, no doubt in my mind it would be a happy hunting ground. Not much hope as long as they are in charge though. Of course BP can always run off the track, and maybe one of these times he will have a headon collision, he should have gone to jail in Arkansas IMO (you or I would have), but money talks, ask Tricky Ricky.
Then I would hate for Brohm to come here and then embarrass us even more by going home, although I would think more of him as a person if he did. Not sure he would come IF offered anyway. I think it would be a step down in the long run to leave UK for Transfer U. We have gone from atrocious support to very good support, although why it took so long is just stupidity in action.
I could go for Leach if he got a top DC, (have you looked at his QBs completion percentages with several different QBs) and it looks like UK would spend that money. Brown a good start, but a long way to go. Briles won't be hired by UK. Herman, you are dreaming, wake up. I just don't like Kiffin and he showed not just a lack of knowledge of the recruiting rules but also the game rules while at TU.
Some of the choices are not even possible choices and some I don't know.
But my number one choice when it comes to a head coach NEXT December is Mark Stoops, because it will show that he did salvage this season AND will have won probably at least seven games in 17. Both vital for progress in talent, growth, AND fan attitude, which I won't use the word that describes it right now.
However, if Stoops doesn't turn this train wreck around (and one thing that "might" be a key is doing LESS in the games, who knows?) AND have a very good record in 17 he should and will be gone-----JMO, which doesn't mean much at all.
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In my eyes Colorado State is above Western in the pecking order, and let's be honest, the main reason he got that job is because he is a Nick Saban disciple which means he's much more of a sure thing in an AD's eyes. With Fuente, Memphis is slightly higher on the pecking order than Western and even in that case Virginia Tech is a program with tradition but they're not a Florida or Georgia, that's not a program that top recruits are just dying to go to anymore, they don't have a solid recruiting base, they're not really a national brand anymore, and they have a harder time luring top coaches there compared to other top programs where there are more recruiting advantages, etc, not to mention that Fuente is a more attractive /reliable candidate than Brohm considering he went and beat one of the best teams in the nation in Ole Miss last year while Brohm doesn't have a win even close to that. With Malzahn he got picked up from Arkansas State because he was the OC at Auburn during their national championship with Cam Newton and they were already familiar with him and what he could do. And Cincinatti is above Western, easily. There's a pecking order to these things the vast majority of the time, not all of the time, but like I said, the MAJORITY of the time.
The schools that are "superior" to UK are going to have better and more options to choose from than Brohm and they're in a position where it's unnecessary for them to take a risk. Virginia Tech is slightly superior to UK but they're not in a position to where they get their pick of the litter when it comes to coaches, that's why they have to get a little creative with their hires and take somewhat of a risk. That's how the deal works.
Kentucky basketball can sit back and pick and choose the best coaches that have already shown they can get it done at the P5 college level or in the pros. That's the luxury those schools have. Kentucky would have just as good a shot at landing Brohm as any school out there unless there was some school that was clearly superior to UK showing interest in him, which like I said is unlikely considering the options those schools will have to choose from and how much of a risk it would be for them to hire him. In my eyes we have a leg up considering we're right down the road from where he is now, he knows the state, knows the high schools, he probably has a pretty good idea about what it takes to win here. He's known Kentucky his entire life.
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DON'T EVER SAY THAT AGAIN!!!
that's not in defense of Stoops, it's more of a don't jinx us kinda thing.
There are many examples of it. Urban Meyer comes to the top, he left Florida a powerhouse for Ohio State his alma mater and home team. Meyer was set at Florida, playing in the SEC, and he won a championship there.
You may not like it, but to say we are equal with Louisville is crazy at this point and time. Louisville would throw money we are not ready to spend to bring a local hero home. We got Joker on the cheap because he is Kentucky through and through.
You mean he has won 113 games in the SEC while coaching at LSU. That is a much different talent base than we have.
The really difficult thing to judge when it comes to hiring a coach here is it seems the only opportunity we've had to hire one from a position of success was when they allowed Joker to inherit the job. While I'm sure it's not been every time I'm still in the dark the last time we hired a coach when the program wasn't scorched earth. We hired Mumme after the Curry trying to make a wishbone QB out of Couch. We then went through every name coaching before getting Brooks after the Mumme flame out.
I was a Stoops supporter and even mentioned him as soon as the announcement Joker was gone. It would appear those saying we needed an experienced person at the top were correct. It's a tough place to cut coaching teeth. And while I'm now still believing in his ability to recruit better talent than we have been used to I'm not sold on his ability to organize the program in the manner of a successful HC. Although it's not beyond the realm of possibility he can turn that image around it's a huge hill to climb now.
Unfortunately we aren't going to be attractive to many young coaches simply because of the high risk to their careers. This program is going to be a teathered goat to the rest of the league and unless they can turn it immediately the pressure to win here could be an incredible weight to carry. But win and they've written themselves checks for he rest of their life and likely could coach nearly anywhere.
We need someone who has had success and doesn't need us to move forward with his career but wants us as his legacy. He comes here and turns it around and stays until he program is built. Not sexy but IMO what is needed. Not saying either is the correct choice but simply examples of the type of coach we need is someone like Leach or Tubberville. But both are builders who could push through. Even Willie Taggart has proven a builder and has turned the corner at USF.
I like Brohm but is he a builder? Maybe. But WKU was in decent shape when he took that job.
This is certainly my opinion but as a long time fan of the team, back to Bradshaw, I've learned a couple things. The SEC is tough and this university is challenged more than any other to achieve success.
I was a Stoops supporter and even mentioned him as soon as the announcement Joker was gone. It would appear those saying we needed an experienced person at the top were correct. It's a tough place to cut coaching teeth. And while I'm now still believing in his ability to recruit better talent than we have been used to I'm not sold on his ability to organize the program in the manner of a successful HC. Although it's not beyond the realm of possibility he can turn that image around it's a huge hill to climb now.
Unfortunately we aren't going to be attractive to many young coaches simply because of the high risk to their careers. This program is going to be a teathered goat to the rest of the league and unless they can turn it immediately the pressure to win here could be an incredible weight to carry. But win and they've written themselves checks for he rest of their life and likely could coach nearly anywhere.
We need someone who has had success and doesn't need us to move forward with his career but wants us as his legacy. He comes here and turns it around and stays until he program is built. Not sexy but IMO what is needed. Not saying either is the correct choice but simply examples of the type of coach we need is someone like Leach or Tubberville. But both are builders who could push through. Even Willie Taggart has proven a builder and has turned the corner at USF.
I like Brohm but is he a builder? Maybe. But WKU was in decent shape when he took that job.
This is certainly my opinion but as a long time fan of the team, back to Bradshaw, I've learned a couple things. The SEC is tough and this university is challenged more than any other to achieve success.
I voted for Jeff Brohm, he to me seems the best fit for UK. He would probably bring along Nick Holt his DC, he was formerly the DL/DC at USC during the Trojan glory days in the early-mid 2000's.
I have no problem with Neal Brown being considered, and I am a huge fan of PJ Fleck, a real rising star in the coaching ranks.
I have no problem with Neal Brown being considered, and I am a huge fan of PJ Fleck, a real rising star in the coaching ranks.
Wow !!! Yes, I voted for Brohm and it looks like I'm not alone. It's just UNBELIEVABLE how many folks have cast their ballot for Brohm. Could it be?