Who gives a crap who's in our bracket

[Son_Of_Saul]

Originally posted by Prime MF:

Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:
"Who gives a crap who's in our bracket" -


said some of you same Kentucky fans before the 2010 NCAA tournament.

I was waiting for someone to make this horrible comparison.

Wall and Bledsoe were freshmen and Cal didn't know how to handle a junk defense, and our shooting went ice cold - all in the same game.

We have mature guards and a superstar junior who, if he had played in last year's final game, would have led us to #9.

And Cal is ahead of any other coach in x's and o's.

Nice try though, your concern is noted.

Ah, so being the 5th youngest team this year doesn't directly correlate to that young 2010 team, eh?


Listen, I'm far more confident in this year's team than I was the 2010 team, but the reality behind my statement is that teams can be beat, not that I think Kentucky will be beat.

We should be concerned when the 2nd or 3rd best team in the nation gets a 2 seed in our region. It's not that Kentucky will lose; it's that Wisconsin isn't a garbage team and should be evaluated with the proper respect.

 

[K-Town Kat]

I wasn't aware that the 2010 team had national title game experience or that the 2003 team was 31-0.

I'm perfectly aware that the best team doesn't always win it, but those just are not good comparisons.

That 2010 team had flaws that we all knew about and had ZERO NCAA tournament experience. Patterson was a junior and still hadn't played in a meaningful March game.

The 2003 team was a great team with experience, but talent and depth wise was nowhere near this group.

Our starting backcourt led us to the title game last year. That cannot be understated and greatly separates this team from 2010.

 

[26MichaelUK]

Totally agree Saul. It def matters who is in our region. One bad game and it's over. Anything can happen in those 40 minutes, no matter how good you are. I certainly think we win the title but its not going to be a cakewalk like so many on here think. There are really good teams out there besides us. We deserve the easiest road to the final four but will end up with the hardest. Its true you have to beat good teams to win the title but still.

 

[hootercat]

I agree that having Wisconsin in our bracket can be scary. They are really good. They slow the game down way to much for our CATS. But, there isn't a better team in the Nation than Kentucky. I say bring on the best of the best and let UK's National Championship look that much better in the end. I just hope that they don't look past whatever team they are scheduled to play.

 

[LowCountryCat]

Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:

Originally posted by Prime MF:

Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:
"Who gives a crap who's in our bracket" -


said some of you same Kentucky fans before the 2010 NCAA tournament.

I was waiting for someone to make this horrible comparison.

Wall and Bledsoe were freshmen and Cal didn't know how to handle a junk defense, and our shooting went ice cold - all in the same game.

We have mature guards and a superstar junior who, if he had played in last year's final game, would have led us to #9.

And Cal is ahead of any other coach in x's and o's.

Nice try though, your concern is noted.

Ah, so being the 5th youngest team this year doesn't directly correlate to that young 2010 team, eh?


Listen, I'm far more confident in this year's team than I was the 2010 team, but the reality behind my statement is that teams can be beat, not that I think Kentucky will be beat.

We should be concerned when the 2nd or 3rd best team in the nation gets a 2 seed in our region. It's not that Kentucky will lose; it's that Wisconsin isn't a garbage team and should be evaluated with the proper respect.

Congratulations, you finally found ONE correlating point with which to desperately shore up your weak argument. But I have a question: Has the 2nd or 3rd best team in the nation gotten a 2 seed in our region? Or are you just speculating in handwringing fashion?

 

[Cats192]

Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:
"Who gives a crap who's in our bracket" -


said some of you same Kentucky fans before the 2010 NCAA tournament.

This.

Achilles thought he was invincible too. Oops.

This post was edited on 3/9 8:42 AM by Cats192

 

[Blue Wildcat]

If you're scared say you're scared. I think we are going to kick *** and take names along the way to #9.

 

[Wildcatfan66]

If this UK team is going to be the greatest ever, then it shouldn't matter who is in out bracket.

 

[caneintally]

Originally posted by North Carolina Blue Wildcat:
If you're scared say you're scared. I think we are going to kick *** and take names along the way to #9.

AMEN I started i post last night saying the same thing . the number of wisconsin posts makes us look like little scared brats. C'mon we are UK . WE ain't scared of no one no how.

 

[rodgerblue]

I don't care, except, "ok, girls, let's whine and cry".

 

[UK’98UK’00]

Agree, bring 'em, but I still care who is in our bracket. Matchups determine who wins here, not previous records. It also helps to play good.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Originally posted by Prime MF:

Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:

Originally posted by Prime MF:

Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:
"Who gives a crap who's in our bracket" -


said some of you same Kentucky fans before the 2010 NCAA tournament.

I was waiting for someone to make this horrible comparison.

Wall and Bledsoe were freshmen and Cal didn't know how to handle a junk defense, and our shooting went ice cold - all in the same game.

We have mature guards and a superstar junior who, if he had played in last year's final game, would have led us to #9.

And Cal is ahead of any other coach in x's and o's.

Nice try though, your concern is noted.

Ah, so being the 5th youngest team this year doesn't directly correlate to that young 2010 team, eh?


Listen, I'm far more confident in this year's team than I was the 2010 team, but the reality behind my statement is that teams can be beat, not that I think Kentucky will be beat.

We should be concerned when the 2nd or 3rd best team in the nation gets a 2 seed in our region. It's not that Kentucky will lose; it's that Wisconsin isn't a garbage team and should be evaluated with the proper respect.

Congratulations, you finally found ONE correlating point with which to desperately shore up your weak argument. But I have a question: Has the 2nd or 3rd best team in the nation gotten a 2 seed in our region? Or are you just speculating in handwringing fashion?

Our discussion directly pertained to the idea of Wisconsin being Kentucky's potential 2 seed.


I was addressing that element. If you intend to change the criteria of the discussion, don't suddenly act patronizing, because the point of this thread is in response to the speculation of Wisconsin being Kentucky's 2 seed. That has been the major discussion, and that is what I was directly responding to.


Also, there are some other correlating points to the 2010 team; namely, in reference to record in the fact that they were 35-2, not a far cry from what could be a 37-0 team heading into the Final Four. The 2010 team didn't finish off some of the closer games the same way this team has, but it's a bit asinine to insinuate that the 2015 team is light year's better given the way they have come down to the last minutes against LSU, Texas A&M, Mississippi, and Georgia. They should absolutely be credited with tremendous close-out performances in those games, but in each one of those games, the balance of a win verse a loss was as slim as they come.


However, my overall point is not that the 2010 and 2015 teams have the same roster makeup or even strategy. It's that as a Kentucky fan, I see no harm in desiring the easiest path available. That was my major point in even bringing the 2010 team into this discussion. You want to turn this into a combative discussion, but I'm actually on your side. I don't think it's ridiculous to want an easy path. We're all merely speculating anyway. Clearly, you don't care who is in Kentucky's bracket. I do. We can disagree there and still live in peace as far as I'm concerned.
















This post was edited on 3/9 11:03 PM by Son_Of_Saul

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Originally posted by caneintally:

WE ain't scared of no one no how.

Isn't this a line from Westside Story?

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Originally posted by North Carolina Blue Wildcat:
If you're scared say you're scared. I think we are going to kick *** and take names along the way to #9.

So you'd be cool with playing Duke in the 2nd round, Arizona in the Sweet Sixteen, and Virginia in the Elite Eight?


You wouldn't object, I suppose, given your attitude toward potential opponents. Bring 'em all on, right?

 

[BleedBlue32]

Bring 'em all on. I don't want it any other way. Losers worry over who they're playing...winners go out and beat the opponent regardless. This team is the latter.

 

[LowCountryCat]

Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:

Our discussion directly pertained to the idea of Wisconsin being Kentucky's potential 2 seed.


I was addressing that element. If you intend to change the criteria of the discussion, don't suddenly act patronizing, because the point of this thread is in response to the speculation of Wisconsin being Kentucky's 2 seed. That has been the major discussion, and that is what I was directly responding to.


Also, there are some other correlating points to the 2010 team; namely, in reference to record in the fact that they were 35-2, not a far cry from what could be a 37-0 team heading into the Final Four. The 2010 team didn't finish off some of the closer games the same way this team has, but it's a bit asinine to insinuate that the 2015 team is light year's better given the way they have come down to the last minutes against LSU, Texas A&M, Mississippi, and Georgia. They should absolutely be credited with tremendous close-out performances in those games, but in each one of those games, the balance of a win verse a loss was as slim as they come.


However, my overall point is not that the 2010 and 2015 teams have the same roster makeup or even strategy. It's that as a Kentucky fan, I see no harm in desiring the easiest path available. That was my major point in even bringing the 2010 team into this discussion. You want to turn this into a combative discussion, but I'm actually on your side. I don't think it's ridiculous to want an easy path. We're all merely speculating anyway. Clearly, you don't care who is in Kentucky's bracket. I do. We can disagree there and still live in peace as far as I'm concerned.

This post was edited on 3/9 11:03 PM by Son_Of_Saul

1. Don't act patronizing yourself and you won't get it back in kind. "Ah" and "eh" come across as quite condescending.

2. By focusing on the close games this year you minimize the achievement of 31-0 while glossing over the losses in 2010, which weren't buzzer beaters. Tennessee beat us by double digits, and SC and WVU had the game well enough in hand to end it at the FT line. Bottom line is a W is a W. In comparing close wins to losses, you're using subjective arguments to come to an objective conclusion, which is quite the logical leap.

3. You have to understand that this is the eleventy millionth Wisconsin thread and frankly the handwringing has gotten to a point where it smacks of abject fear. It really doesn't matter what the committee does, and Wisky doesn't want to play us either. Furthermore, Wisky has to win their way to a meeting with us as well.

4. If this team loses, it won't lose like the 2010 team did. And it hasn't lost yet. The 2010 team had lost TWICE before the tournament, proving that they were beatable. There really aren't enough similarities between the two to make it a worthy comparison.

 

[LowCountryCat]

Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:

Originally posted by North Carolina Blue Wildcat:
If you're scared say you're scared. I think we are going to kick *** and take names along the way to #9.

So you'd be cool with playing Duke in the 2nd round, Arizona in the Sweet Sixteen, and Virginia in the Elite Eight?


You wouldn't object, I suppose, given your attitude toward potential opponents. Bring 'em all on, right?

Washing down your argumentum ad nauseum with a little ad absurdum, eh?

 

[Waterview Catfan]

I care dadgumit, it's gonna stink bad enough without letting the likes of UL and IU in there.

 

[dmaso44]

The crying, whining, and bitching about our draw is getting ridiculous. The cowards are exposing themselves. Please do the men around here a favor and refrain from posting so yourweak kneed crap doesn't make us look bad.

 

[26MichaelUK]

Oh so now the people who don't care who is in our bracket are "tough guys" and the people who disagree are "cowards"? Good grief, its so easy to be tough in complete anonymity. You have no idea what these so called "cowards" have been through in the real world, specifically me. I can promise you I'm no coward.

I have common sense. A dream season can turn into a nightmare in just 40 minutes. You have seen the best team fail to win the title numerous times just like me. 2010 was one of my favorite seasons of all time and yet, it will always carry the stain of the West Virginia game. We were easily the better team and way more talented and the best team in the country. Yet, one fluke performance that would not have happened if those teams played 10 more games happened. It can certainly happen again even though we are by far the best team. We got screwed that year getting the strongest 2 seed and its looking to be happening again. Its not right. That's the main problem.

Also, I respect Wisconsin. That is a team that can beat us in a one game setting. All of their players have said the loss to us has fueled them this year and they want another shot at us. They have many things a team needs to beat us. They play a methodical style and are the most efficient offense in the country. They can control the tempo. They are the best team in the country in not turning the ball over. They are a top 3 defensive rebounding team, which we get many of our points on offensive rebounds. They shoot very well outside. They pull the big guys out of the paint.

Having said that, we are better and I think we win most of the time. I don't fear them, I respect them as a team. Its just ******** that we will have to play them in the elite 8 as the top seed while Duke will get KU or Gonzaga. So no we are not cowards, we just realize anything can happen in a 40 minute game against a top 5 team.

 

[Bluest Member]

Originally posted by michaeluk26:
Oh so now the people who don't care who is in our bracket are "tough guys" and the people who disagree are "cowards"? Good grief, its so easy to be tough in complete anonymity. You have no idea what these so called "cowards" have been through in the real world, specifically me. I can promise you I'm no coward.

I have common sense. A dream season can turn into a nightmare in just 40 minutes. You have seen the best team fail to win the title numerous times just like me. 2010 was one of my favorite seasons of all time and yet, it will always carry the stain of the West Virginia game. We were easily the better team and way more talented and the best team in the country. Yet, one fluke performance that would not have happened if those teams played 10 more games happened. It can certainly happen again even though we are by far the best team. We got screwed that year getting the strongest 2 seed and its looking to be happening again. Its not right. That's the main problem.

Also, I respect Wisconsin. That is a team that can beat us in a one game setting. All of their players have said the loss to us has fueled them this year and they want another shot at us. They have many things a team needs to beat us. They play a methodical style and are the most efficient offense in the country. They can control the tempo. They are the best team in the country in not turning the ball over. They are a top 3 defensive rebounding team, which we get many of our points on offensive rebounds. They shoot very well outside. They pull the big guys out of the paint.

Having said that, we are better and I think we win most of the time. I don't fear them, I respect them as a team. Its just ******** that we will have to play them in the elite 8 as the top seed while Duke will get KU or Gonzaga. So no we are not cowards, we just realize anything can happen in a 40 minute game against a top 5 team.

It's easier to be a "Tough Guy" when it's not you on the court playing

Like I've said 100 times already,it's not about the matchups,it's about location and crowd in the stands.I'm a hobby student of history,and history tells me that Kenmtucky does much better in the South than in a Midwest Hostile Yankee Arena.Put Kentucky and Wisconsin in the South and I don't care,but put them in the South by all means