It certainly wasn't a high end weapon... but all rifles are pretty damn accurate at the distances used... One of the questions I've always wondered (but haven't heard answered) is.... Was the rifle retrieved from the Book Depository building ever actually shot and tested for accuracy? I do not know that it was or wasn't.... But sure seems easy enough to test to see how well it was dialed in.
Who Killed Kennedy
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Hard to fathom in the year 2017 some still believe that
Oswald acted alone. So much has come out to disprove that fairy tale. Such as did you know:
(1)...Mob boss Carlos Marcello admitted to involvement with the assassination. 2 cities under his control were New Orleans & Dallas which also happened to be cities where Oswald resided.
(2)...In the early 60's, the CIA worked hand in hand with the mob to plot several plans to kill Castro. Castro's overtaking of Cuba cost the mob billions when he seized and closed their casinos there. The
US govt did not like having a communist controlled country that close to our shores so there was a mutual interest in killing Castro. Mobsters involved with this were Marcello, Santos Traffacante (Miami)
and Sam Giancana (Chicago).
(3)...Oswald was set up as the perfect patsy with his supposed Russian ties (CIA sponsored his trip and stay at Russia) and was allowed to re-enter the US
with little trouble, something unheard of during the "Cold War" period.
(4)...Both JFK & RFK were thorns in the mob's side as they headed up investigative committees to try to end their control. They also had pissed off both the CIA and FBI over the Bay of Pigs invasion when they did not provide air cover. FBI director despised his boss, Atty Gen RFK and JFK shortly after the BOP invasion fired CIA director Alan Dulles (who amazingly later wound up on the Warren Commission that investigated the assassination)
So our intelligence agencies and organized crime had a mutual interest in wanting JFK gone.
(5)...Jack Ruby ran and managed a strip-club in Dallas for Carlos Marcello.
(6)...In 1985 Carlos Marcello confessed to an undercover FBI informant that he ordered the
killing of JFK.
(7)...Once it was known that the CIA, FBI and the Mob were all working together in both trying to get rid of Castro and Kennedy, the govt kept that information under wraps (after JFK death) because they knew everyone would be outraged they were all working together. The mob had played this one perfectly because they had the US govt running interference for them.
(8)...CIA agent E. Howard Hunt admitted his involvement in a deathbed confession.
(9)...In 1992, the passage of the 1992 JFK Records act resulted in the release of 4.5 million pages of
JFK assassination files.
...so to quickly sum it up- I've read several books on this subject and have come to the undisputable opinion that Oswald was not a lone gunman and more than likely did not pull the trigger at all but was placed in the school book depository as part of the plan(eyewitnesses saw him drinking a coke in the breakroom imediately after the shooting). A book that I recently read and would highly recommend is "The
Hidden History of the JFK Assassination" by Lamar Waldron. The release of more records tomorrow should hopefully put an end to the speculation.
Oswald acted alone. So much has come out to disprove that fairy tale. Such as did you know:
(1)...Mob boss Carlos Marcello admitted to involvement with the assassination. 2 cities under his control were New Orleans & Dallas which also happened to be cities where Oswald resided.
(2)...In the early 60's, the CIA worked hand in hand with the mob to plot several plans to kill Castro. Castro's overtaking of Cuba cost the mob billions when he seized and closed their casinos there. The
US govt did not like having a communist controlled country that close to our shores so there was a mutual interest in killing Castro. Mobsters involved with this were Marcello, Santos Traffacante (Miami)
and Sam Giancana (Chicago).
(3)...Oswald was set up as the perfect patsy with his supposed Russian ties (CIA sponsored his trip and stay at Russia) and was allowed to re-enter the US
with little trouble, something unheard of during the "Cold War" period.
(4)...Both JFK & RFK were thorns in the mob's side as they headed up investigative committees to try to end their control. They also had pissed off both the CIA and FBI over the Bay of Pigs invasion when they did not provide air cover. FBI director despised his boss, Atty Gen RFK and JFK shortly after the BOP invasion fired CIA director Alan Dulles (who amazingly later wound up on the Warren Commission that investigated the assassination)
So our intelligence agencies and organized crime had a mutual interest in wanting JFK gone.
(5)...Jack Ruby ran and managed a strip-club in Dallas for Carlos Marcello.
(6)...In 1985 Carlos Marcello confessed to an undercover FBI informant that he ordered the
killing of JFK.
(7)...Once it was known that the CIA, FBI and the Mob were all working together in both trying to get rid of Castro and Kennedy, the govt kept that information under wraps (after JFK death) because they knew everyone would be outraged they were all working together. The mob had played this one perfectly because they had the US govt running interference for them.
(8)...CIA agent E. Howard Hunt admitted his involvement in a deathbed confession.
(9)...In 1992, the passage of the 1992 JFK Records act resulted in the release of 4.5 million pages of
JFK assassination files.
...so to quickly sum it up- I've read several books on this subject and have come to the undisputable opinion that Oswald was not a lone gunman and more than likely did not pull the trigger at all but was placed in the school book depository as part of the plan(eyewitnesses saw him drinking a coke in the breakroom imediately after the shooting). A book that I recently read and would highly recommend is "The
Hidden History of the JFK Assassination" by Lamar Waldron. The release of more records tomorrow should hopefully put an end to the speculation.
Yeah, I admit I'm being an optimist here but still remain hopeful nonetheless. Most of the important information has already been released anyway if one chooses to spend the time to research it. Once you read everything there's little chance that you won't come to the same conclusion as I did. CONSPIRACY
without a doubt!
Well documented the mob delivered the vote in the Democratic primary in West Virginia to Kennedy. Stevenson had thee momentum to that point. In return, Kennedy was to return Cuba back to the mob, source of huge untaxed profits pre-Castro. He reneged. J Edgar Hoover was known by the mob to be a closet homosexual. That's why the Feds did very little against the mob to that point. The mob called in the favor. Hoover arranged the assassination and set Oswald as the patsy.
I've stood next to the window. Shooting a moving target the size of a head not once but twice with a junk bolt action rifle with a crap scope? People get buck fever shooting their first deer....much less a person.
No way was Oswald the shooter.
I've stood next to the window. Shooting a moving target the size of a head not once but twice with a junk bolt action rifle with a crap scope? People get buck fever shooting their first deer....much less a person.
No way was Oswald the shooter.
Oswald was absolutely the shooter, that is a fact. The first shot could not have come from anywhere but that window, and he was there. It is a direct line. Then he was seen fleeing the building, returned to the boarding house, got his pistol and shot Officer Tippet when Tippet tried to stop him. Not saying for certain Oswald was the only person involved, but he definitely fired the shot that went through Kennedy's neck and hit Connally. He essentially admitted his involvement when he was arrested. Then he tried to start alleging it was a conspiracy. Oswald tried to kill General Walker less than a year before he shot Kennedy, so was that a conspiracy too?
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Dude. Oswald plugged JFK < = 281 feet distance on the final shot. I've been there, too. We're talking about the most analyzed crime in world history so far. LHO could not miss.
Secret Service blew it, BLEW IT that day.
Wouldn't that be ironic if the documents released by Trump implicated Russia in the Kennedy assassination? Maybe de Mohrenschildt was a Russian spy. He was probably Oswald's closest confidant at the time. But, I'm fairly certain that anything implicating Russia would not be released.
Man what a can of worms that would be if the American public were to suddenly learn that Russia was behind the assassination of a U.S. President, and that U.S. Intelligence has known about it for over 50 years and done nothing about it.
Interesting that this poll is roughly 50/50 as to whether Oswald acted alone. Hell I've gone back and forth on it myself over the years. Certainly Oswald would have gladly joined in a conspiracy to kill Kennedy if given the opportunity, and he had been enough places and crossed paths with enough people to make it plausible. But instead, purely by dumb luck, he ended up with a golden opportunity to do it by himself.
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The idea that Oswald was classified as a "marksman" has been overblown as a reason he could have made the shot. Keep in mind that the highest level of gun skill classification back then were Expert, Sharpshooter and THEN Marksman.
The rifle found at the SBD was also found to be a POS basicly. Both Army and FBI personel were unable to recreate the shots Oswald performed with that weapon. Oswald barely reached the level of Marksman in 1959, roughly 4 years prior to death of JFK. To believe this guy pulled off a 1 in a thousand trick with that weapon is foreign to every thing I know and understand about common sense. But I guess it helps some sleep better at night.
I also wonder why Chicago mob boss Sam Giancana was found shot to death in his basement the day before he was to testify before the JFK Assassination committee, Coincidence? Yearight
I'm always amazed by people who act like that was a tough shot for a guy with USMC rifle training. I've been there, and as a middlin' hunter with no special skills, don't see how you could miss. And the whole thing about three shots in six seconds - the clock STARTS on the first shot, so it's basically two shots in six seconds.
Here is site giving updates. Some interesting stuff coming out, but nothing that solves the case. As for Giancana, the CIA could have offed him to avoid the Castro thing coming out. Like Kennedy himself, there were a lot of different people and organizations that had a motive to kill him before he might testify.
The biggest question I'm considering now, is exactly what was Oswald's passport status? Where was he allowed to travel, and where was he barred from traveling? That would go a long way toward explaining his trip to Mexico City. It's likely he wanted to be able to travel back and forth to Russia, given that his wife was from Russia. I don't have a major problem with us letting him back in after he defected. It was done for other Russian defectors at the time too. But once he returned to the US, was he allowed to travel freely back and forth between the two?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/26/politics/jfk-files-latest/index.html
The biggest question I'm considering now, is exactly what was Oswald's passport status? Where was he allowed to travel, and where was he barred from traveling? That would go a long way toward explaining his trip to Mexico City. It's likely he wanted to be able to travel back and forth to Russia, given that his wife was from Russia. I don't have a major problem with us letting him back in after he defected. It was done for other Russian defectors at the time too. But once he returned to the US, was he allowed to travel freely back and forth between the two?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/26/politics/jfk-files-latest/index.html
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Total douchebags miss at 281 feet or 81 meters. The bastard missed on his first shot. Residue was found on his GD shirt. He was young. He could still see.
Again, Secret Service totally screwed up that day. Oswald hacked them. End of story. Nothing new to learn.
The Kennedy Assassination is kind of a microcosm of life in the "Misinformation Age" in which we all now reside. Whatever you believe, you can find "facts" to support your beliefs.
Holy crap! They just released a document showing proof of a second shooter and Russian involvement. Here's a view of the document - validating it's real now.: www.imgur.com/a/G6rU8
Just my opinion but I believe Russia played a part but indirectly.
It was a bolt action rifle at 81 yards. What's so hard to understand about it? That's dang near bow range. Three shots in six seconds is possible with a bolt action rifle. Oswald trained with that weapon. He was perfectly capable of making that shot. It was a moving target but it was moving in a straight line away from him.