Who the 5-8A Favorites with Success Factor in 2015?

DeanOfSelection

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5A JC-with Bronco (who have beaten them 5 of last 6 seasons) and SHG losing a ton not seeing any1 beating them

6A- I am thinking Montini not sure what others have

7A-not sure what the usual suspects have back. PC loses the QB and Megatron but still has people

8A-HF , MC, LA top 3 I have to think in this class
 

BretEpic

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Nazareth in 6A
 

godfthr53

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SHG will be up in 6A. I think LWW will have something to say in 6A as well.

Naz isn't losing a ton and should be down in 5A next year. Returns almost all skill positions.

7A - PC, CoM as a sleeper.

8A HF
 

BretEpic

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Originally posted by godfthr53:

SHG will be up in 6A. I think LWW will have something to say in 6A as well.

Naz isn't losing a ton and should be down in 5A next year. Returns almost all skill positions.

7A - PC, CoM as a sleeper.

8A HF
Then Naz in 5A
 

mc140

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Didn't Naz graduate their entire Offensive line? Plus their activation guy now works for Montini.
 

godfthr53

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Originally posted by mc140:
Didn't Naz graduate their entire Offensive line? Plus their activation guy now works for Montini.
No he doesn't. a guy the Activation guru trained works there. We still have our guy. Naz graduated their entire O line correct, but there are still 3 guys that got time on that line available. Plus Julian Love is still around. and 7 defensive starters, 5 offensive.
 

LHSTigers94

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Line play is the difference in Illinois football. Skill returning isn't as important as the big boys in the trenches. The same back can rush for a 2000 yards with one line and 1000 yards with another.
 

godfthr53

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Correct, but Naz isn't going from an excellent line to a bad one. Rather an excellent line to a good one. But that is also the reason I said LWW will have something to say in 6A their line should be excellent.
 

BretEpic

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Originally posted by LHSTigers94:
Line play is the difference in Illinois football. Skill returning isn't as important as the big boys in the trenches. The same back can rush for a 2000 yards with one line and 1000 yards with another.
Naz returns two kids (Dunn and Beherendt) who are next level kids along the line.

Yes we are losing the BEST LINE in NAZ HISTORY, but their understudies could be a group that ranks up there.
 

LHSTigers94

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guys I know nothing about Naz line so I was just making a general comment. I do think Naz will have a tougher go this year with either facing SHG in 6A or JC in 5A to get to state. Should be a fun year.
 

DeanOfSelection

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that's right SHG 6A. so maybe a Naz gets pushed down to 5A. EstL maybe a favorite in 7A? will be interesting to see them v Simeon week 1.
 

BretEpic

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Originally posted by LHSTigers94:
guys I know nothing about Naz line so I was just making a general comment. I do think Naz will have a tougher go this year with either facing SHG in 6A or JC in 5A to get to state. Should be a fun year.
damn you, no General Comments, he's a miserable field leader.

I'm not seriously saying Naz is a favorite... yet. I have to see the team this summer first.

Last season I could tell with that group, and godfthr and I stated early and often they were favs.
 

cornerrat

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All.... SHG will be breaking in a new qb. That is the key. By post season the Cyclones will be quite "competitive" for anyone.... Ratsy
 

USD24

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Originally posted by epicbret:

Originally posted by LHSTigers94:
Line play is the difference in Illinois football. Skill returning isn't as important as the big boys in the trenches. The same back can rush for a 2000 yards with one line and 1000 yards with another.
Naz returns two kids (Dunn and Beherendt) who are next level kids along the line.

Yes we are losing the BEST LINE in NAZ HISTORY, but their understudies could be a group that ranks up there.
Did those two play on the o-line or just defense? Looking on the IHSA site, it does not have them listed as starters on offense.

Are numbers going to be an issue with Naz? There are only 26 players listed on their roster who are juniors or sophomores. From what I saw of their freshman team this year, there is not much help there.
 

MS4EVER

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Not us!

Tough times inTthe Ridge. Back to back Maroon and Gold games. Resurgence in Winnetka and E-town. Just hoping for five wins.
 

godfthr53

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Originally posted by USD24:

Originally posted by epicbret:


Originally posted by LHSTigers94:
Line play is the difference in Illinois football. Skill returning isn't as important as the big boys in the trenches. The same back can rush for a 2000 yards with one line and 1000 yards with another.
Naz returns two kids (Dunn and Beherendt) who are next level kids along the line.

Yes we are losing the BEST LINE in NAZ HISTORY, but their understudies could be a group that ranks up there.
Did those two play on the o-line or just defense? Looking on the IHSA site, it does not have them listed as starters on offense.

Are numbers going to be an issue with Naz? There are only 26 players listed on their roster who are juniors or sophomores. From what I saw of their freshman team this year, there is not much help there.
Like I said early there will be 3 that got some playing time and rotation on that o line. Not necessarily starters in the title game. Numbers will be lower we all knew that 2 classes in a row had small numbers but lots of talent.
 

BretEpic

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Originally posted by USD24:
Originally posted by epicbret:

Originally posted by LHSTigers94:
Line play is the difference in Illinois football. Skill returning isn't as important as the big boys in the trenches. The same back can rush for a 2000 yards with one line and 1000 yards with another.
Naz returns two kids (Dunn and Beherendt) who are next level kids along the line.

Yes we are losing the BEST LINE in NAZ HISTORY, but their understudies could be a group that ranks up there.
Did those two play on the o-line or just defense? Looking on the IHSA site, it does not have them listed as starters on offense.

Are numbers going to be an issue with Naz? There are only 26 players listed on their roster who are juniors or sophomores. From what I saw of their freshman team this year, there is not much help there.
Well, we've stated the entire starting line needs replacing, so no they are not technically returning starters. That said, I'll pit Dunn against most HS DL in a game and take my chances.
 

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Nazareth should be pretty good and now they have a swagger and an expectation to win. I think from my outside perspective they were still a little unsure going into this past season. They knew they would be good but you could tell against Joliet Catholic at least that they still were not totally sure of themselves. If I was a Naz person I would be very concerned about depth. Usually that is Nazareth's undoing. The ESCC is a grinder and Naz usually gets beat up, by the time they get to the playoffs they're down 3-5 starters and with normal Naz numbers that's crushing. Last year they best the hell out of everyone both physically and on the scoreboard. They're guys rested in every game but JCA. I don't expect that dominance and in some close hard hitting games injuries will happen. Can Naz overcome those injuries? I just don't know.

They may actually be better at the skill positions which is a scary thought. I loved their SR QB last year, #7, but Bartels split time with him the whole regular season and made an equal amount of plays. His stats may have even been better but #7 was very good at holding onto the ball. Nolan Dean will be a loss, that kid was a horse but everyone forgets they basically went the whole year without their returning starter at RB. Kelly-Martin is a different back than Dean, he's the prototypical Nazareth speed back and I'll have a HUGE season as a junior this year, all state type season. At WR Naz will be even better. I LOVE the trio of WR's they have returning, Love is the best in the state in my opinion, Simmons is very good in his own right and they have a Soph (JR to be) Weller that looked great for their varsity this year and was a beast as a Frosh on Soph team in '13. That kid will take a step forward and look out for that trio. Prendergast at TE is a weapon Nazareth didn't even utilize this past year, which is scary because he's a D1 kid. I don't know if the other kid is strictly a DL now but they have a TE/WR that is a Soph that I saw tear up Soph level in '13. I really like that kid too as a flex TE. The OL will take a hit, there is no doubt about. That may have been the best OL I've seen. They have some capable kids, Behrendt is bigger than those graduating and played a lot as a JR, that Dunn kid is top 100 in the country special and I assume he'll move from his blocking FB role to OL. The C (name I don't know) played some too. Not sure what's on tap for the other two positions and I know Naz has limited bodies but they only need to find 2.

Defense will be very good too. Their DL will be stout bringing back I believe 3 starters, their LB's will be undersized but fast, two kids played a lot as JR's and at DB they bring back Love who's an eraser and Kelly-Martin and Weems at CB.

There are not many holes that I can see as a mostly unbiased observer. I know the Naz parents I associate with are excited about their chances but I think the season will hinge greatly on health. You lose 1 important kid (many kids playing 2 ways) and they'll be in a world of hurt.

According to those in the know Naz will definitely be 5a and would have to be one of the favorites there. Naz-JCA will probably match up twice.
 

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It will likely be a down year in Lombard, so little expectations for Montini. Great sophomore class coming up to varsity, so this year will set the table for what looks to be a great team in 2016.
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Naz OL will be fine. Also LW West will be scary good in 2015 and with the success factor going on could they drop to 5A perhaps....
 

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Originally posted by cornerrat:
All.... SHG will be breaking in a new qb. That is the key. By post season the Cyclones will be quite "competitive" for anyone.... Ratsy
Is the QB going to be a name we are all familiar with? Tim Brenneisen
 

DeanOfSelection

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u never know with the IHSA but supposedly the Factor in place. As a fan, and only caring about MC ,I actually love it. 6A woulda been awesome last year w SHG V Naz for example.
 

BretEpic

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Originally posted by edgytim:
Naz OL will be fine. Also LW West will be scary good in 2015 and with the success factor going on could they drop to 5A perhaps....
That's a HUGE 5a team.
 

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What does HF have coming back upfront?

Have a lot of skills guys back, if they can be good up front they are a legitimate contender to be the best team in the state next year. They looked the part in the state title game, if they didn't fumble on what the five yard line they win state.
 

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Originally posted by guerinfbfan:

Originally posted by cornerrat:
All.... SHG will be breaking in a new qb. That is the key. By post season the Cyclones will be quite "competitive" for anyone.... Ratsy
Is the QB going to be a name we are all familiar with? Tim Brenneisen
All.... He is the next in line. His brother Bobby at the qb position led the Cyclones to titles in 2005 and 2006 never losing a game in all four years he played counting his freshman and sophomore time. His father is the inside linebacker coach for SHG. So he has the pedigree and as a rule coaches kids do quite well. But there might another contender in the wings, who if winning the starting role could slightly change how SHG conducts business on the offensive side of the line. I'm not comfortable naming this individual because at this point in time I'm not sure if the staff will go down that road. I will know more after a few of the 7 on 7's. Ratsy
 

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HF had 2 Jrs and a Soph starting on the OL last season. Thus, they will have 3 returning starters this year. Also keep in mind that last year they only had ONE returning starter and we see the season they ended up having. There has been a offensive lineman transfer in. Other than injuries, I am not too concerned about anything on the offensive side of the ball.

The defense now has a new DC and a LB transfer. More moving parts on the defense but a lot of young kids got unexpected reps last year.....espeically due to the injuries we had at LB.
 

Cross Bones

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People pretty much covered it. I think MC, H-F, GBW, LA in 8A.
7A is a ??? for me
6A Montini despite what mchsalumn has to say
5A either JCA or Naz with the drop down...
 

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I have not been keeping up with the success factor also. Is this definitely happening this upcoming year?

I rather it did not happen because I like all the great playoff competition right now in the 5A north bracket with MCC, Kaneland, Montini, Geneseo, JCA, Sycamore, possibly Naz with the winner usually getting SHG. The factor would really mess up the best side of the bracket (5A north) the IHSA has going right now.

Wassup
This post was edited on 2/13 7:31 PM by Wassup13
 

BretEpic

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Originally posted by HFDAD:

HF had 2 Jrs and a Soph starting on the OL last season. Thus, they will have 3 returning starters this year. Also keep in mind that last year they only had ONE returning starter and we see the season they ended up having. There has been a offensive lineman transfer in. Other than injuries, I am not too concerned about anything on the offensive side of the ball.

The defense now has a new DC and a LB transfer. More moving parts on the defense but a lot of young kids got unexpected reps last year.....espeically due to the injuries we had at LB.
I'd argue they return the best OL in Illinois, WADR to Swenson
 

Cross Bones

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Originally posted by epicbret:

Originally posted by HFDAD:

HF had 2 Jrs and a Soph starting on the OL last season. Thus, they will have 3 returning starters this year. Also keep in mind that last year they only had ONE returning starter and we see the season they ended up having. There has been a offensive lineman transfer in. Other than injuries, I am not too concerned about anything on the offensive side of the ball.

The defense now has a new DC and a LB transfer. More moving parts on the defense but a lot of young kids got unexpected reps last year.....espeically due to the injuries we had at LB.
I'd argue they return the best OL in Illinois, WADR to Swenson
Swenson is a monster. Lot of people dont realize he was playing a lot of last year with an injury that ends seasons. They had him as a BLOCKING BACK on punts... as big as he is.

Swenson and then Bland...
 

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Originally posted by godfthr53:
Originally posted by USD24:

Originally posted by epicbret:


Originally posted by LHSTigers94:
Line play is the difference in Illinois football. Skill returning isn't as important as the big boys in the trenches. The same back can rush for a 2000 yards with one line and 1000 yards with another.
Naz returns two kids (Dunn and Beherendt) who are next level kids along the line.

Yes we are losing the BEST LINE in NAZ HISTORY, but their understudies could be a group that ranks up there.
Did those two play on the o-line or just defense? Looking on the IHSA site, it does not have them listed as starters on offense.

Are numbers going to be an issue with Naz? There are only 26 players listed on their roster who are juniors or sophomores. From what I saw of their freshman team this year, there is not much help there.
Like I said early there will be 3 that got some playing time and rotation on that o line. Not necessarily starters in the title game. Numbers will be lower we all knew that 2 classes in a row had small numbers but lots of talent.
with low numbers, in 5a, you just have to stay healthy...JCA was close this season with lower numbers than we are used to as well..,health and talent in 5a can get it done...need the depth in 6-8.
 

cornerrat

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All.... I assume you mean ESL "playing up" which the school would have to contact the IHSA by Sept. 1. Last year the Flyers were at 1496.00 a solid 6A team when the 32 qualifiers were announced . (1274.00-1692.90) Curious is this conjecture on your part or have you heard something? No doubt they would be one of the major players if they stay in 6A. Ratsy