Who's some top defender in your class
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Neither, I thought you guys discussed things like this on this board. I saw these players play last year and wanted to see what others out there thought about different players across the state. So I guess it's if any talented player is mentioned by someone other than edgy and a parent it can't be genuine. So if you don't have an opinion just say you don't know for 2106 yet but don't attack mines.
Devonte Dunn might be the most proven defensive tackle in the state. A key cog in two title defenses, and great havoc numbers for a DT. Screw defense, watch that kid on kickoffs. He's just power and quickness. Aaron Donald at the HS level (***Some homer***)
That said, not sure if that equates to best defender. Interior lineman, yes. I think you look at a LB or in the box safety type, maybe DE/LB to find best defender. It's all semantics, but statistics lean heavy towards the second and third level in terms of plays touched statistically. A LB can make so many more plays, and greatly more coverage stats than a DT.
That said, when NFL teams draft positions, how do they value S and LB versus down lineman.
I personally start in the trenches (*** Some Homer ***)
Yes @Iheartfootball247 we do discuss such things, at times.
That said, not sure if that equates to best defender. Interior lineman, yes. I think you look at a LB or in the box safety type, maybe DE/LB to find best defender. It's all semantics, but statistics lean heavy towards the second and third level in terms of plays touched statistically. A LB can make so many more plays, and greatly more coverage stats than a DT.
That said, when NFL teams draft positions, how do they value S and LB versus down lineman.
I personally start in the trenches (*** Some Homer ***)
Yes @Iheartfootball247 we do discuss such things, at times.
I agree with the different positions but impact on the field not sure in 6A There's to many other that makes the impact these 2 make on that side of the ball. But I respect your view thanks
I thought he was playing QB this year? Is Thomas playing QB this year? Either way, I'll be shocked if SR doesn't lose by more than 30
Camron Harrell, a senior-to-be, from Bradley-Bourbonnais HS (1 snap from defeating Libertyville in 7A semis) is a DB worthy of mention after contributing for 2 years already. He is also an impact player at WR and kick returns. Camron posted state-qualifying performances in a tough 3A south suburban sectional track meet last spring as a sophomore in the long jump (5th in state @ 22-6) and sprints. His advertised 40 time is in the 4.4 - 4.5 range legit and he was an elite athlete in the Southland last season.
Deontae Curry - Hinsdale South. IMO, he's a better football than the older brother Marcus who graduated this year and that's saying something because Marcus was a beast.
John Mitchell - Crete Monee. I believe this is him, I forget who @cmdynasty told me was #58 on their defensive line last year. Pretty sure this is him. Kid will play somewhere in college, D2 or higher.
Juwuan Treadwell - Crete Monee. Saw him return an interception 100 yards. #wheels
That's all I remember from last year. Nobody else "stood out" who I saw.
John Mitchell - Crete Monee. I believe this is him, I forget who @cmdynasty told me was #58 on their defensive line last year. Pretty sure this is him. Kid will play somewhere in college, D2 or higher.
Juwuan Treadwell - Crete Monee. Saw him return an interception 100 yards. #wheels
That's all I remember from last year. Nobody else "stood out" who I saw.
I went and watched some of these players film and I think there are some big time players on this list. I think Deontae Curry plays bigger than what his measurement is on his Hudl page. Next level I think he's a safety playing in the box and Treadwell can be a big time return guy and a nice DB at the next level. Can't wait to read more about the Chicagoland player.
Griffith just got an offer from Notre Dame. Soph football is just kind of forgotten...I know you know how it is, but people need to know you can't base the future of a football team off a Soph season. MC beat SR 35-6 and BR 51-6 when this upcoming Jr. class were Freshman...take away Thomas, Griffith, that top linemen and LB and results will change. See how they play as Fresh and then bank it off that, unless they transfer or quit playing.
i agree. Was being facetious. 5 sophs up and I would argue the Varsity's 3 best players were sophs.
Case in point 2012 8A champs. went 5-4 as sophs in 2010 had a ton up.
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New rule...must provide video when talking about players. It's 2016 guys, if you don't know how to you need to figure it out. Just google the kids name and the high school and there will be a hudl highlight video out there. If there isn't then he's either not that good or the school isn't doing him any favors.
@cmdynasty After watching John Mitchell's hudl highlights, I TOTALLY remember this kid and this is who I was thinking of when I was talking about #58. This kids a monster. My bad. #58 is good, but #99 is a load and is scary.
@cmdynasty After watching John Mitchell's hudl highlights, I TOTALLY remember this kid and this is who I was thinking of when I was talking about #58. This kids a monster. My bad. #58 is good, but #99 is a load and is scary.
Ryan Burke at Aurora Christian is going to turn some heads this year. He's 6'-4" and 205 lbs. with a near 300 lb. bench and near 500 lb. squat. He's a 3 hour-a-day in the weight room kind of athlete. His 40 time and vertical are sick. Explosive speed and power. Not sure where AC will play him. Could range from DE to LB to S. He's also a receiver.
cat - see this to me is not that impressive. I am not slamming any kids so do not get on any soapbox.. I am strictly talking about the numbers.
what always gets me. someone always mentions bench, squat. now to me if you cannot lift 100lbs over your bodyweight that is not good. all of my kids were able to lift 100lbs or more than their body weight. and do not try to tell me have you ever tried. yes. they all benched 315+ weighed 165, 170ish. but standing 5'6". and also squatted 415, 435. so those are not power numbers. I always get worked up when people say this dude bench 225 15 times, thats a fricking workout. if your 200+lbs you should be working out with that on daily basis. this just in general not anything against anyone.
I get it that you are not slamming any kids in your post. I also get it that your post is filled with hyperbole. I would love to see the high school football team where "they all benched 315+ weighed 165, 170ish. but standing 5'6". and also squatted 415, 435." Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? A kid who weighs 170 and squats 435 is squatting 255% of his body weight. That is very unusual for a high school student. I am not saying there aren't a few kids in a program putting up such numbers. But ALL of your kids? Come on man...
ive got 3 kids, I am talking my personal kids. not every kid on the planet. or an entire football team. and if you think not being able to(bench) 100lbs over body weight is unachievable you have not lifted. that is basically the standard goal, not overachieving. and I am more generalizing but the numbers are what the numbers are. if you cannot lift 100lbs over your bodyweight, and have been working out for a year or more, you are not hitting your goals.
now again, I am talking kids that have been working out now for 1yr + vs kids say coming out of 8th never having worked out yet. first timers(frosh) by jr year still should be able to bench 100lbs over their bodyweight. simple as that. and it has to be a lot easier even nowadays as every school has aggressive weight programs now, and 1250lb club, were 4 lifts need to get you there. that is the norm.
and you are right, it all depends on position or, if lifting for powerlifting, body building, specific sport lifting etc.
he does have some ridiculous numbers. I am more impressed with the squat tho.
hey again not the norm but, I just saw this on internet.
Check out this 78-year-old lady deadlifting 225 pounds.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/78-year-old-deadlifts-225/vi-BBr3yUH?ocid=iehp
oh I got this forya. and I just asked my kids what theirs reality was.
5'5 168 294, 345, 5'6 178 312, 376, 5'6 155 285, 345 as jr/sr in high school.
here is reality:
Novice Lifters
A novice lifter can be considered one who has trained regularly for three to nine months. Learning to bench press is like learning any other skill -- you improve with practice. If you have been training less than a year, you have had time to learn proper technique, but not master it. You have also had time to build strength and gain lean muscle mass. Much of your early gains come from improvements in motor skills, according to a 1992 study published in the "European Journal of Applied Physiology and Occupational Physiology." If you are man, you should bench press just under 80 percent of your body weight. A novice female should bench just over 60 percent of her body weight, according to Dr. Lon Kilgore, Ph.D., author of "Practical Programming."
Intermediate Lifters
As an intermediate male you should bench between 95 and 100 percent of your body weight. As an intermediate female you should bench just over 70 percent of your body weight. Intermediate lifters have been training between nine months and two years. This allows you time to not only develop skill, but also build muscle. Both skilled lifting and muscle size contribute to strength, so the practice you have been putting in will help develop both. Consistent training combined with a proper diet may lead to increases in lean muscle mass, which may mean a weight increase. This may be something that needs to be factored into your performance.
Advanced Lifters
People who are advanced lifters are long-time lifters or athletes. This involves years of dedicated and focused training coupled with competitive goals -- some of which should have been met. As an advanced male lifter you should bench at least 130 percent of your body weight. As an advanced female lifter, you should bench at least 90 percent of your body weight. Time, training and discipline have combined in advanced lifters to build muscle, reduce fat and reach optimal levels of strength, skill and power.
Elite Lifters
Elite lifters are strength athletes -- not someone who lifts for another sport, but those who compete in strength sports such as powerlifting or the Highland games. These athletes have dedicated years to the sole pursuit of getting stronger -- and it shows. Elite male lifters you should bench press at least 165 percent of body weight, and elite females should bench press at least 110 percent of body weight. Top powerlifters will bench over three times their body weight in lower weight classes, regardless of gender, but these are the elite of the elite. It can take years to advance to the elite level.
So you posted this to prove yourself and your claims wrong? We're we drinking a little bit this afternoon?
jwar - I am not trying to prove anything. all I am saying is I don't get it when you post weight lifting numbers as part of your overall talent level. the point is anybody if they workout can get to those numbers and should. and if you think anything different your a fool. you try to paint yourself as some sort of talent scout on here. which is fine, you got big contacts. big deal. you can spot talent. how many times have you asked a kid in 6th, 7th, & 8th grade kid how much you curl? damn your gonna be a stud. you are an idiot. you wanna post 40times, do it, verticals, do it. just don't tell me you are superman because you can lift up vw bug.
again, probably was the wrong thread to start talking about this. because some of you are so damn pc and sensitive. here is a good link. look at weight v lbs you are recruitable in the college letter cat. you would be a hs star. good hs player in hs star cat. NOT THAT THIS MEANS ANYTHING.
http://www.criticalbench.com/benchpress-ratings.htm
and Cat - if you thought I was trying to down play or anything else I was not. I just have a weird petpeeve about weightlifting numbers. aah ****, I didn't want to bring this crap up cuz i know kids read thru this crap. but, the only reason i dont want you get hung up on hitting numbers. is because i saw and new guys hung up on it to the point, they started doing steroids, and you are right probably not the best thread to bring it up.
and this kid will be something special to watch this year. I think every kid should try and do their personal absolute best and continuing to make gains and strive forward. the best attitude to have is be the best player you can be, and the best TEAMMATE you can be.
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This has caused a clash of brotherly egos in my house. Yes I am Marcus and Deontae dad. I will say this I will say marcus has always motivated his younger brother to be the best. Just know for both of them the best is yet to come. 2 different types of players but Deontae is working hard and says every night he has unfinished business. #South