Why an "ordinary" fan is not buying season tickets

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If the trend continues in a season or two the Athletic Department will either pay a high priced consulting firm to come in to determine why the decline and make suggestions on how to stem the bleeding. Or better yet, appoint a blue ribbon task force with the same charge.

WeepNoMore provided each with their first bit of data ...

Not true, they will just stop spending on the program. It takes money not cheapskates to win in the SEC.
 

WeepNoMore

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These self loathing cheap fans are literally hilarious. Thanks Mitch? Rotflmao. As an "ordinary" fan you don't get it at all. Like most cheapo's you bring up price when UK has for years and years been some of the cheapest ticket prices in the SEC. So basically, you want to be cheap AND expect the team to be good? How does that make sense?!?! It's a shock to fans like you because you have never cared to actually do what it takes to have a winning football program. 14% is nothing to make up if the team wins. The schedule is year in and year out one of the toughest in th nation so a "watering down" is completely inaccurate.

The same facilities? lololololololololololololololol. The stadium just had a $110 million dollar renovation did you not notice? How about that new practice facility?!?! I'm sorry I despise these posts. It's just a crying fest of so called fans who want to pay bottom dollar and expect a top product.

The fact is the rest of the SEC has been outspending UK on football for decades until recently. It's probably good people like this fall off.

Let me try to address your post a step at a time to try to enlighten you, though enlightening a know-it-all like yourself is probably impossible. :sunglasses:

(1) self-loathing -- LMAO. My self-concept is pretty strong, thank you very much. Why? Demonstrated performance as Coach Cal likes to say.

(2) your buddy Mitch -- For the first 10 or so years of his AD administration, Marvelous Mitch was syphoning every dime he could from FB revenues to fund his and Tood's agenda to become a leader in Olympic sports. You may have missed the fact that we pay a women's BB coach, who all of a sudden can't keep players or coaches, over $1,000,000 per year. But he sure can dance!!!

Only a total revolt by "ordinary" season ticketholders and others stopped the Barnhart and Todd marauding and forced real spending on UK FB.

I've said it before and I'll say it again "Without the fan revolt, Joker Phillips would still be our FB coach and the facilities renovation/expansion would be a UK FB fan's wet dream."

(3) "Like most cheapo's . . . cheapest tickets in the SEC." A poster above offered an interesting observation. On a cost per win basis over the past 15 years UK's ticket prices most likely are among the most expensive in the SEC and, IMHO, in all of college FB.

(4) ". . . never cared to actually do what it takes to have a winning football program." Guess you missed the part where I purchased season tickets and parking pass and, I will add, paid the K-fund extortion for nearly 35 years.

(5) watered-down OOC schedule -- just stating facts. But, since everyone else has watered down their OOC schedule, I guess its ok with you.

(6) the $110 million (or is it $180 million) renovation -- I'm all for the relatively small portion spent on player facilities and the relatively small amount spent on upgrades that benefit all fans, even us "ordinary" fans.

But I do have a problem with the vast majority of the funds being spent on "catering" to the fat Cats, so Mitch can rub elbows with his rich buddies in their private sanctum and pat themselves on the back for what they are doing for UK football, while hardly bothering to watch the team getting clobbered on the field.

And do I need to remind you that our "little brother", you know the "redheaded step-child" down the road, has had chair seats, as ugly as they are, for their "ordinary" fans for the past 15+ years, while UK's "ordinary" fans had the option to pay extra to have cloth seatbacks installed on their seats.

Oh, and before I hear from the "true fans stand the entire game" crowd. You can cheer just as loud and just as hard while remaining seated. Standing should be reserved for those times when something exceptional occurs--great catch, TD, drive stopping open-field tackle, etc.--or to provide support for a game changing third down stop or goal-line stand.

(7) "The fact is the rest of the SEC has been outspending UK on football for decades until recently." -- Makes me wonder whose pockets were lined with all of the K-fund monies collected from season ticketholders, including myself, for all those decades.
 
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Let me try to address your post a step at a time to try to enlighten you, though enlightening a know-it-all like yourself is probably impossible. :sunglasses:

(1) self-loathing -- LMAO. My self-concept is pretty strong, thank you very much. Why? Demonstrated performance as Coach Cal likes to say.

(2) your buddy Mitch -- For the first 10 or so years of his AD administration, Marvelous Mitch was syphoning every dime he could from FB revenues to fund his and Tood's agenda to become a leader in Olympic sports. You may have missed the fact that we pay a women's BB coach, who all of a sudden can't keep players or coaches, over $1,000,000 per year. But he sure can dance!!!

Only a total revolt by "ordinary" season ticketholders and others stopped the Barnhart and Todd marauding and forced real spending on UK FB.

I've said it before and I'll say it again "Without the fan revolt, Joker Phillips would still be our FB coach and the facilities renovation/expansion would be a UK FB fan's wet dream."

(3) "Like most cheapo's . . . cheapest tickets in the SEC." A poster above offered an interesting observation. On a cost per win basis over the past 15 years UK's ticket prices most likely are among the most expensive in the SEC and, IMHO, in all of college FB.

(4) ". . . never cared to actually do what it takes to have a winning football program." Guess you missed the part where I purchased season tickets and parking pass and, I will add, paid the K-fund extortion for nearly 35 years.

(5) watered-down OOC schedule -- just stating facts. But, since everyone else has watered down their OOC schedule, I guess its ok with you.

(6) the $110 million (or is it $180 million) renovation -- I'm all for the relatively small portion spent on player facilities and the relatively small amount spent on upgrades that benefit all fans, even us "ordinary" fans.

But I do have a problem with the vast majority of the funds being spent on "catering" to the fat Cats, so Mitch can rub elbows with his rich buddies in their private sanctum and pat themselves on the back for what they are doing for UK football, while hardly bothering to watch the team getting clobbered on the field.

And do I need to remind you that our "little brother", you know the "redheaded step-child" down the road, has had chair seats, as ugly as they are, for their "ordinary" fans for the past 15+ years, while UK's "ordinary" fans had the option to pay extra to have cloth seatbacks installed on their seats.

Oh, and before I hear from the "true fans stand the entire game" crowd. You can cheer just as loud and just as hard while remaining seated. Standing should be reserved for those times when something exceptional occurs--great catch, TD, drive stopping open-field tackle, etc.--or to provide support for a game changing third down stop or goal-line stand.

(7) "The fact is the rest of the SEC has been outspending UK on football for decades until recently." -- Makes me wonder whose pockets were lined with all of the K-fund monies collected from season ticketholders, including myself, for all those decades.

Sorry, you gave no substance. All I could think to ask is if you wanted cheese with that wine?!?! You can talk about your season tickets for 35 years all you want. Want a cookie? The fact remains you are just someone who wants to pay bottom dollar and get a top product. It's just extremely funny how so called "fans" like you feel the need to boast about you becoming cry baby cheapskates. It's the stuff 3 year olds do for attention. You get in here say how long you did something and think you deserve admiration at your excuses for leaving. GOODBYE! Old guards like you have no place here anymore. The same people who complain about standing, complain about th music, complain about the uniforms etc. now you're complaining about the catering lmao. The renovations were to INCREASE REVENUE!!! It's not rocket science, it's just hard facts for people like you who really don't care about the W's just your parking space for social day at commonwealth.

I'm sorry your feelings are hurt. I'm also sorry you have no comprehension of what it takes to compete in the best league in America. But, then again it's easy to see what sort of person you are when you number index a reply on a chat site. lol
 

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Sorry, you gave no substance. All I could think to ask is if you wanted cheese with that wine?!?! You can talk about your season tickets for 35 years all you want. Want a cookie? The fact remains you are just someone who wants to pay bottom dollar and get a top product. It's just extremely funny how so called "fans" like you feel the need to boast about you becoming cry baby cheapskates. It's the stuff 3 year olds do for attention. You get in here say how long you did something and think you deserve admiration at your excuses for leaving. GOODBYE! Old guards like you have no place here anymore. The same people who complain about standing, complain about th music, complain about the uniforms etc. now you're complaining about the catering lmao. The renovations were to INCREASE REVENUE!!! It's not rocket science, it's just hard facts for people like you who really don't care about the W's just your parking space for social day at commonwealth.

I'm sorry your feelings are hurt. I'm also sorry you have no comprehension of what it takes to compete in the best league in America. But, then again it's easy to see what sort of person you are when you number index a reply on a chat site. lol

Clearly, the number indexing didn't help you comprehend the precise and inarguable points I made!!!!!!!!!

BTW, when do I get to see the "top product"? This year? Next year? In my lifetime? From up above during your lifetime?

Furthermore, we Old Guard were paying our dues while you were in diapers, assuming you are out of diapers by now. Perhaps too much of an assumption given your penchant for name calling and the really cute, but meaningless, responses you come up with? "Want a cookie?" must be really popular with the diaper crowd!!!

Oh, I nearly forgot (happens when you're getting older) the increased REVENUE. If it materializes, how do you suppose it will be spent? To enhance the FB program or to find a million dollar rifle coach or a million dollar women's tiddliwinks coach or provide Barnhart a salary increase or . . . I could go on and on.

Please join others of your ilk and take head and bury in sand!!!!!!!!!!
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I just said no one cares and he needs to move on.
The 14% drop is a recent topic and impacts the program to some degree so worth hearing from those in that 14%. That equals a lot of money not going back into the program. Those bonds will need to be paid back, we didn't rob people like UL.
 

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I don't understand people who complain about the lack of a competitive football team but are unwilling to contribute for it. Thanks for that $500 a year for 2 seats and a parking pass for 7 games but unfortunately that's not enough to fund the coaches, facilities, and player perks required to recruit and compete in the SEC.

If your unwilling to invest then someone else will, please step aside.

Not sure you are correct here. What he and many of us were paying was more than sufficient to provide what was needed for Football. The problem is that Football was paying for crap sports we don't care about.
 

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Like you, I'm now retired. Obviously, that means we've aged a little. I'm now 57 and find I'm not quite as excited to spend 8 hours of my Saturday going to Football games. IMO, that's the biggest issue with our aging fan base.

IMO, the generation after us is not quite as interested in attending Football games as we were when we were in our 20's and 30's. That has to do with a lot of things: Income levels are not what they were when we were younger (no fault of theirs); There are more things competing for their entertainment $ (Heck, you and your wife can take a cruise and a couple of weekend vacations for what attending games costs). One big one: The university has done little to "groom" the next generation of fans. In fact , the major sports fall into this category. You don't see many young kids at these events because of the expense. Unfortunately, when they reach 20-30, they will have no interest in attending. 25-30 years from now, I predict MLB attendance will be half what it is now. College Football is going in the same direction.

Things change with time. We change. Putting a losing team on the field or having a "spartan" stadium didn't keep many of us away 30 years ago.
 

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I gave mine up because my wife and kids won't go. I'm sure I can pick
Up a single here and there way cheaper. It's just how it is. They have only marginal interest and describing them as sunshine fans is too nice. Anyway, by the time I bought that, gave rix away, paid to park, ate etc I figure I as out 2.5-3k a season. And that to be disappointed more than half the time. I'll still go, just gonna scalp and move on.
 

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Lots of good points.

For me it comes down to whats involved going to the games mainly distance and the time involved and monies wasted. When you live almost 4 hours away and have trouble giving them away like last year towards the end of the last 2 season they often go to waste. Winning and not blowing games (like VANDY and UL last year) will cure all of this.
 
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The buyer not the seller determines the true worth of any product.

When there is a difference in the two no transaction takes place.

For whatever reason(s), 14% of season ticket holders are now former season ticket holders.

Thought ram1955 summed it pretty well. From a business perspective such a drop this year should be a concern, especially as he observed younger fans aren't showing up, aren't being raised up to go to games.

The big concern shouldn't be the immediate drop but the long term projections. We don't want to wake up one day and be singing the chorus from a George Jones song ...

Who's gonna fill their shoes
Who's gonna come and see them play
Who's gonna cheer the Wildcats
And sing On, On U of K?
Who's gonna give their heart and soul
To support the White and Blue
Lord I wonder, who's gonna fill their shoes

If they truly care about the program ... This is the question that needs to be asked now
 

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Like you, I'm now retired. Obviously, that means we've aged a little. I'm now 57 and find I'm not quite as excited to spend 8 hours of my Saturday going to Football games. IMO, that's the biggest issue with our aging fan base.

IMO, the generation after us is not quite as interested in attending Football games as we were when we were in our 20's and 30's. That has to do with a lot of things: Income levels are not what they were when we were younger (no fault of theirs); There are more things competing for their entertainment $ (Heck, you and your wife can take a cruise and a couple of weekend vacations for what attending games costs). One big one: The university has done little to "groom" the next generation of fans. In fact , the major sports fall into this category. You don't see many young kids at these events because of the expense. Unfortunately, when they reach 20-30, they will have no interest in attending. 25-30 years from now, I predict MLB attendance will be half what it is now. College Football is going in the same direction.

Things change with time. We change. Putting a losing team on the field or having a "spartan" stadium didn't keep many of us away 30 years ago.
Ok you 2 I probably have you both beat...knocking on the 66 door and will be at every game, but otis( never go back to that piece of s*** place and their fans) this year...my youngest son goes with me. My wife no longer attends because she has RP and her eyes are failing. Our road trips consist of 3-4 65 yr olds, an 80 yrs young and a25 year old. I was one of those that walked away when JP was coach, but came back as soon as MS was hired and now have better seats. We make the parking and tailgating work because it is what we do. If MS dosen't cut it and the next guy isn't a HC I may walk away again for good, but right now I still "feel" it for the CATS..I know it is tough, but I think right now the fb program needs the fans more than they ever have. For the first time in our lifetimes we have the facilities to compete. Just Hope the coaches are up to snuff...#ALLIN
 

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Ok you 2 I probably have you both beat...knocking on the 66 door and will be at every game, but otis( never go back to that piece of s*** place and their fans) this year...my youngest son goes with me. My wife no longer attends because she has RP and her eyes are failing. Our road trips consist of 3-4 65 yr olds, an 80 yrs young and a25 year old. I was one of those that walked away when JP was coach, but came back as soon as MS was hired and now have better seats. We make the parking and tailgating work because it is what we do. If MS dosen't cut it and the next guy isn't a HC I may walk away again for good, but right now I still "feel" it for the CATS..I know it is tough, but I think right now the fb program needs the fans more than they ever have. For the first time in our lifetimes we have the facilities to compete. Just Hope the coaches are up to snuff...#ALLIN

Admire your passion and dedication and your ability to make a contrasting post without denigrating another poster (somewhat rare for this thread).

However, I do recall at least once in our lifetimes (I'm 68) when we had the facilities to compete. When Commonwealth Stadium opened it was truly state of the art, and shortly before or shortly after the Nutter Center was built and it was state of the art when completed.

The problem, which was often the case with the UKAA over the years, was no follow through. Hopefully, this time around the UK administration will not drop the ball!!!
 

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It comes down to one simple thing. Do fans feel like they are getting their money's worth? Obviously, a fair number do not. Getting the same product but paying more for it will cause this type of buyer's remorse. You can make the case that the prices are in line with similar schools and are fair. I am in that group and still buy my tickets every year. However, for many fans, it makes no difference what the Bama fan or the UT fan pays. They are buying tickets out of their budget and the knowlege that they are paying less than they would pay in Alabama doesn't add funds to their bank account. They are also weighing it against other activities like going to movies or high school football games. Those activities have not increased nearly as much so for many people, they are a better bang for their buck. Finally, they are comparing the cost of attending vs staying home or going to a bar. It may have been worth $80 for a couple to see a game live but $200 might just make the big screen look a little more inviting. People are asking why ticket sales are down 14%. I am glad that some of those 14% are willing to come on here and state why they left. Its funny how many will try to shut other down when they say something they don't agree with or approve of.
 

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EVERYONE JUST STOP! It is amost football season and we have games to lose. :boxing:
 

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SEC teams ranked by average home game ticket prices
SEC teams ranked by average home game ticket prices

(Photo: Dale Zanine, USA TODAY Sports)

College football season is almost here and excitement is abound as fans will soon fill stadiums around the country to cheer on their respective teams.

As always, college football tickets are in high demand, especially in the Southeastern Conference.

On Wednesday, the Tixers.com blog published a list of the average ticket cost for home games this season for the teams in the SEC. According to the blog post, "These figures are based on several secondary sites and reflect only home games, so no neutral site or away games."

Coming in atop the list was the Georgia Bulldogs with an average home game ticket price of $238.70. Tennessee had the second most expensive average ticket at $214.15, followed by Auburn ($192.50), Texas A&M ($184.11), and Alabama ($170.52) to round out the top five.

The full list can be seen below.

SEC Average Ticket Price Per Home Game

1) Georgia: $238.70
2) Tennessee: $214.15
3) Auburn: $192.50
4) Texas A&M: $184.11
5) Alabama: $170.52
6) LSU: $147.47
7) South Carolina: $138.99
8) Missouri: $120.52
9) Arkansas: $119.82
10) Ole Miss: $111.63
11) Florida: $107.43
12) Kentucky: $106.81
13) Mississippi State: $97.89
14) Vanderbilt: $78.74
 
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SEC teams ranked by average home game ticket prices
SEC teams ranked by average home game ticket prices

(Photo: Dale Zanine, USA TODAY Sports)

College football season is almost here and excitement is abound as fans will soon fill stadiums around the country to cheer on their respective teams.

As always, college football tickets are in high demand, especially in the Southeastern Conference.

On Wednesday, the Tixers.com blog published a list of the average ticket cost for home games this season for the teams in the SEC. According to the blog post, "These figures are based on several secondary sites and reflect only home games, so no neutral site or away games."

Coming in atop the list was the Georgia Bulldogs with an average home game ticket price of $238.70. Tennessee had the second most expensive average ticket at $214.15, followed by Auburn ($192.50), Texas A&M ($184.11), and Alabama ($170.52) to round out the top five.

The full list can be seen below.

SEC Average Ticket Price Per Home Game

1) Georgia: $238.70
2) Tennessee: $214.15
3) Auburn: $192.50
4) Texas A&M: $184.11
5) Alabama: $170.52
6) LSU: $147.47
7) South Carolina: $138.99
8) Missouri: $120.52
9) Arkansas: $119.82
10) Ole Miss: $111.63
11) Florida: $107.43
12) Kentucky: $106.81
13) Mississippi State: $97.89
14) Vanderbilt: $78.74
Strange isn't it... those top seven with the highest priced tickets lead the league in attendance every year...funny how that works
 
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SEC teams ranked by average home game ticket prices
SEC teams ranked by average home game ticket prices

(Photo: Dale Zanine, USA TODAY Sports)

College football season is almost here and excitement is abound as fans will soon fill stadiums around the country to cheer on their respective teams.

As always, college football tickets are in high demand, especially in the Southeastern Conference.

On Wednesday, the Tixers.com blog published a list of the average ticket cost for home games this season for the teams in the SEC. According to the blog post, "These figures are based on several secondary sites and reflect only home games, so no neutral site or away games."

Coming in atop the list was the Georgia Bulldogs with an average home game ticket price of $238.70. Tennessee had the second most expensive average ticket at $214.15, followed by Auburn ($192.50), Texas A&M ($184.11), and Alabama ($170.52) to round out the top five.

The full list can be seen below.

SEC Average Ticket Price Per Home Game

1) Georgia: $238.70
2) Tennessee: $214.15
3) Auburn: $192.50
4) Texas A&M: $184.11
5) Alabama: $170.52
6) LSU: $147.47
7) South Carolina: $138.99
8) Missouri: $120.52
9) Arkansas: $119.82
10) Ole Miss: $111.63
11) Florida: $107.43
12) Kentucky: $106.81
13) Mississippi State: $97.89
14) Vanderbilt: $78.74
We're $9 more expensive than Mississippi State and we've lost to them seven straight years. Damn.
 
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Clearly, the number indexing didn't help you comprehend the precise and inarguable points I made!!!!!!!!!

BTW, when do I get to see the "top product"? This year? Next year? In my lifetime? From up above during your lifetime?

Furthermore, we Old Guard were paying our dues while you were in diapers, assuming you are out of diapers by now. Perhaps too much of an assumption given your penchant for name calling and the really cute, but meaningless, responses you come up with? "Want a cookie?" must be really popular with the diaper crowd!!!

Oh, I nearly forgot (happens when you're getting older) the increased REVENUE. If it materializes, how do you suppose it will be spent? To enhance the FB program or to find a million dollar rifle coach or a million dollar women's tiddliwinks coach or provide Barnhart a salary increase or . . . I could go on and on.

Please join others of your ilk and take head and bury in sand!!!!!!!!!!
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1) Georgia: $238.70
2) Tennessee: $214.15
3) Auburn: $192.50
4) Texas A&M: $184.11
5) Alabama: $170.52
6) LSU: $147.47
7) South Carolina: $138.99
8) Missouri: $120.52
9) Arkansas: $119.82
10) Ole Miss: $111.63
11) Florida: $107.43
12) Kentucky: $106.81
13) Mississippi State: $97.89
14) Vanderbilt: $78.74

These sort of factual graphs show how your argument is invalid. Not to mention puts an explanation point on you just being cheap. Gee, I wonder how many SEC Titles are above us. Oh, and most of the teams above us just so happen to lead in attendance.

People "of my Ilk" are the ones who actually get it. You are part of the old, none energetic unwanted Debbie downer fan base that did nothing enable UK's mediocre football program. Now you complain about where he money goes like somehow your "Sacrafice" meant something. Goodbye, enjoy wearing a UofL shirt the rest of your life. It was the younger people who are bringing about more and more change. The music, stadium, uniforms, coaches etc would all be the same if it were up to you old folk. Apparently you also have soft skin and I'm striking a nerve because calling you cheap is a pretty soft name calling. Hahahahaha
 

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1) Georgia: $238.70
2) Tennessee: $214.15
3) Auburn: $192.50
4) Texas A&M: $184.11
5) Alabama: $170.52
6) LSU: $147.47
7) South Carolna: $138.99
8) Missouri: $120.52
9) Arkansas: $119.82
10) Ole Miss: $111.63
11) Florida: $107.43
12) Kentucky: $106.81
13) Mississippi State: $97.89
14) Vanderbilt: $78.74

These sort of factual graphs show how your argument is invalid. Not to mention puts an explanation point on you just being cheap. Gee, I wonder how many SEC Titles are above us. Oh, and most of the teams above us just so happen to lead in attendance.

People "of my Ilk" are the ones who actually get it. You are part of the old, none energetic unwanted Debbie downer fan base that did nothing enable UK's mediocre football program. Now you complain about where he money goes like somehow your "Sacrafice" meant something. Goodbye, enjoy wearing a UofL shirt the rest of your life. It was the younger people who are bringing about more and more change. The music, stadium, uniforms, coaches etc would all be the same if it were up to you old folk. Apparently you also have soft skin and I'm striking a nerve because calling you cheap is a pretty soft name calling. Hahahahaha
With the same win loss outcome. Congrats on spending more money and achieving the same goal. You youngsters brag about doing nothing more than what we did before only now participation is the gold standard. No wonder this team and country is doomed.
 

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With the same win loss outcome. Congrats on spending more money and achieving the same goal. You youngsters brag about doing nothing more than what we did before only now participation is the gold standard. No wonder this team and country is doomed.
That makes no sense at all. Last I checked when you old guard were in charge UK didn't have state of the art facilities and generating revenue capable of competing in the SEC. If anything, what you did was a participation trophy. We are gladly paying higher prices and welcoming changes to at least try to compete. If it's the same in 5 years sure your points would be valid. It's like you all forgot how bad Joker had made this program.
 

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OP is right about Mitch. He is not a great AD for football. He didn't even have the ability to find and hire a good Coach. Stoops basically came to Mitch and pitched himself as the Coach. Jurich has completely run circles around Mitch in football and it disgusts me.

Your right, Jurich has run circles around Mitch, but look who he has hired. No team in the SEC wanted Petrino,. but Louisville will take anyone. Jurich has no morals. Look at the basketball team! If you think Pitno didn't know what was going on in recruiting, your wrong. If that was done at UK, he would have been gone.
Look at the number of players who have been kicked off other teams in football, and Louisville takes them. They say,"Everyone deserves a second chance." Let's face it, no player is kicked off for his first mistake, and usually his second, so he has already had the second chance.
As far as Stoops, if he doesn't turn it around next year, he will probably be gone. I think he will turn it around. I think ever coach deserves 5 years to prove himself.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
 
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That makes no sense at all. Last I checked when you old guard were in charge UK didn't have state of the art facilities and generating revenue capable of competing in the SEC. If anything, what you did was a participation trophy. We are gladly paying higher prices and welcoming changes to at least try to compete. If it's the same in 5 years sure your points would be valid. It's like you all forgot how bad Joker had made this program.
Not at all, we have been around a lot longer than you and have seen this scenario played out ad nauseam. We are not as you say Debbie downers, we are practical. We have heard it all before and as someone else said in an earlier post, winning cures all ills. You told someone else to go wear a UL shirt because he did not agree with you. What you do not understand is that we are such die hard fans of UK that we can no longer accept mediocrity and are just voicing our frustrations. As much as I am disappointed in the past bunch of years, I will still be watching every game even from here because, it being my birthday month my wife's present to me every year is the same, Game Plan. I can only hope that things will turn around but, optimism for that is low given our very long history of losing. Hopefully for your sake, you do not have to suffer the same fate as us older UK fans in football.
 

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1) Georgia: $238.70
2) Tennessee: $214.15
3) Auburn: $192.50
4) Texas A&M: $184.11
5) Alabama: $170.52
6) LSU: $147.47
7) South Carolina: $138.99
8) Missouri: $120.52
9) Arkansas: $119.82
10) Ole Miss: $111.63
11) Florida: $107.43
12) Kentucky: $106.81
13) Mississippi State: $97.89
14) Vanderbilt: $78.74

These sort of factual graphs show how your argument is invalid. Not to mention puts an explanation point on you just being cheap. Gee, I wonder how many SEC Titles are above us. Oh, and most of the teams above us just so happen to lead in attendance.

People "of my Ilk" are the ones who actually get it. You are part of the old, none energetic unwanted Debbie downer fan base that did nothing enable UK's mediocre football program. Now you complain about where he money goes like somehow your "Sacrafice" meant something. Goodbye, enjoy wearing a UofL shirt the rest of your life. It was the younger people who are bringing about more and more change. The music, stadium, uniforms, coaches etc would all be the same if it were up to you old folk. Apparently you also have soft skin and I'm striking a nerve because calling you cheap is a pretty soft name calling. Hahahahaha

Well whoopty-do!

I suppose if we had spent $2 more per ticket, Florida would not have beaten us 26 straight games? And wonder why MSU has beaten us the past 6 or 7 games, when our fans spend almost $9 more per game than their fans?

Ah grasshopper, my young friend, it's much less about the amount of the revenues over the past 35+ years and much more about how the revenues were being spent, squandered IMHO.

Also, I can't recall a single game being won by music or uniforms. Coaches--yes. Stadiums arguably indirectly since facilities would seem to help recruiting. But music and uniforms? :sunglasses: Give me a break!

BTW, no one is keeping you from contributing an extra $130 per game, so you can puff out your chest and match Georgia's fans. I'm pretty sure Barnhart would be more than glad to take your money and spend it on a new archery coach. :sunglasses:

Or you may want to spend the extra money on a tutor to teach you the difference between a simple list and a graph, or the difference between an "explanation point" and an exclamation point, or some basic grammar. (I'm no fan of the grammar police. But geez, my 11-year-old granddaughter could do better.)
 
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Well whoopty-do!

I suppose if we had spent $2 more per ticket, Florida would not have beaten us 26 straight games? And wonder why MSU has beaten us the past 6 or 7 games, when our fans spend almost $9 more per game than their fans?

Ah grasshopper, my young friend, it's much less about the amount of the revenues over the past 35+ years and much more about how the revenues were being spent, squandered IMHO.

Also, I can't recall a single game being won by music or uniforms. Coaches--yes. Stadiums arguably indirectly since facilities would seem to help recruiting. But music and uniforms? :sunglasses: Give me a break!

BTW, no one is keeping you from contributing an extra $130 per game, so you can puff out your chest and match Georgia's fans. I'm pretty sure Barnhart would be more than glad to take your money and spend it on a new archery coach. :sunglasses:

Or you may want to spend the extra money on a tutor to teach you the difference between a simple list and a graph, or the difference between an "explanation point" and an exclamation point, or some basic grammar. (I'm no fan of the grammar police. But geez, my 11-year-old granddaughter could do better.)
Hopefully your 11 year old granddaughter becomes a better Uk fan then you ever were. Your discrediting about the Unifroms and atmosphere music creates are the very reasons why you are part of the cancer of UK football the last 30 years. As most people do as they get older you become less worried about facts and more worried about your own opinion. This isn't physics, it's football and if its old, closed minded cheapskate "fans" like you who are making the 14% then bye bye. Enjoy being a card fan, don't ever come back when it's fun again because you lost that right being a cheap, Whiny, no good disgruntled "fan". UK doesn't need or want people like you. Stoops has voiced criticism along with Cobb at how lazy our fanbase is at games. Along with how dead the game day atmosphere was.

Anyway, I'm sure you have better things to do like golf and be in bed by 7 to make many games anyway. lol

UK football deserves a better breed of fans. UK basketball is getting to that point as well. It's about time!
 

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Lost in the recent fantastic increase in our facilities, emphasis, and money thrown at coaches is the fact that many long time fans did feel the strike was necessary at the time------and I agree with them. Despite the FACT that UK football was making more than three times what our #! IN THE NATION basketball program was (due mostly to the OTHER SEC football teams, TV, bowls, etc) we were spending LESS than our basketball program on recruiting TWENTY FIVE commits than they were on recruiting four to five basketball recruits-------when the basketball program had the best of EVERYTHING to offer recruits while football had the BARE MINIMUM being spent on it PLUS disgraces like the "recruiting room".

So, OK, that is in the past, and to me the future looks pretty bright, the fact is we lost about ten years progress in football under mitch with MINIMUM support and it caused the hole we fell into.

Funny how the majority of those programs that charge the most for tickets have 100,000 seat stadiums that they usually fill, while we just cut ours back to 61,000 while MSU increased theirs substantially to leave us ahead of only Vandy in stadium size------and in attendance, I am sure. A private school, did they hire an athletic director yet? Funny that they have made more progress in football lately than we have with our top of the line AD and spending money like mad while they were doing without an AD. I firmly believe that spending more of the money that FOOTBALL earned in that lost decade would have meant a lot more money to spend on the minor sports.

The bad taste mitch left in football fans mouth has more to do with that 14% than a lot of you think.

And yes, I am a big fan of all UK sports and love the improvement some have made, did anyone notice while the US took all three medals in the women's 100 meter hurdles possibly two athletes from UK had the talent to have finished with the gold and silver in the event, one recently setting THE world record and the other injured in qualifying? The US very likely had the FIVE best in the world in that event, and two of the best were from UK..

Fire away.
 
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Hopefully your 11 year old granddaughter becomes a better Uk fan then you ever were. Your discrediting about the Unifroms and atmosphere music creates are the very reasons why you are part of the cancer of UK football the last 30 years. As most people do as they get older you become less worried about facts and more worried about your own opinion. This isn't physics, it's football and if its old, closed minded cheapskate "fans" like you who are making the 14% then bye bye. Enjoy being a card fan, don't ever come back when it's fun again because you lost that right being a cheap, Whiny, no good disgruntled "fan". UK doesn't need or want people like you. Stoops has voiced criticism along with Cobb at how lazy our fanbase is at games. Along with how dead the game day atmosphere was.

Anyway, I'm sure you have better things to do like golf and be in bed by 7 to make many games anyway. lol

UK football deserves a better breed of fans. UK basketball is getting to that point as well. It's about time!


". . . in bed by 7 . . ." Come on, even you can do better than that! :sunglasses::sunglasses::sunglasses:
 

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Well whoopty-do!

I suppose if we had spent $2 more per ticket, Florida would not have beaten us 26 straight games? And wonder why MSU has beaten us the past 6 or 7 games, when our fans spend almost $9 more per game than their fans?

Ah grasshopper, my young friend, it's much less about the amount of the revenues over the past 35+ years and much more about how the revenues were being spent, squandered IMHO.

Also, I can't recall a single game being won by music or uniforms. Coaches--yes. Stadiums arguably indirectly since facilities would seem to help recruiting. But music and uniforms? :sunglasses: Give me a break!

BTW, no one is keeping you from contributing an extra $130 per game, so you can puff out your chest and match Georgia's fans. I'm pretty sure Barnhart would be more than glad to take your money and spend it on a new archery coach. :sunglasses:

Or you may want to spend the extra money on a tutor to teach you the difference between a simple list and a graph, or the difference between an "explanation point" and an exclamation point, or some basic grammar. (I'm no fan of the grammar police. But geez, my 11-year-old granddaughter could do better.)

Well, he could contribute an extra $130 a game but mitch made it abundantly clear that he wouldn't be able to designate that it had to go to a football project, like improving the horrible 'recruiting room" back when every SEC coach had a picture of it.
 

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Hopefully your 11 year old granddaughter becomes a better Uk fan then you ever were. Your discrediting about the Unifroms and atmosphere music creates are the very reasons why you are part of the cancer of UK football the last 30 years. As most people do as they get older you become less worried about facts and more worried about your own opinion. This isn't physics, it's football and if its old, closed minded cheapskate "fans" like you who are making the 14% then bye bye. Enjoy being a card fan, don't ever come back when it's fun again because you lost that right being a cheap, Whiny, no good disgruntled "fan". UK doesn't need or want people like you. Stoops has voiced criticism along with Cobb at how lazy our fanbase is at games. Along with how dead the game day atmosphere was.

Anyway, I'm sure you have better things to do like golf and be in bed by 7 to make many games anyway. lol

UK football deserves a better breed of fans. UK basketball is getting to that point as well. It's about time!


". . . in bed by 7 . . ." Come on, even you can do better than that! :sunglasses::sunglasses::sunglasses:

BTW, it's 2:37 a.m. Where are you??????? Getting your beauty rest???? Or into your yoga routine, so you can get in touch with your more obnoxious self???? :sunglasses::sunglasses::sunglasses:
 

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People post these threads and in these threads because they want the administration know that they are looking for some reason, any reason to care again. The bottom line has always been winning. The basketball team wins, therefore people pay out the back side and put up with the piss poor home schedule. The football team loses, it becomes easily justifiable to quit throwing money away to watch Tennessee blast us 50-14. Yes our ticket prices are a bargain compared to other schools in the SEC, but those schools are the ones winning games and directing the national conversation each week.
 

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$180 Million in facility improvement tells me this dweeb isn't paying attention..

I have to agree with you that the stadium is much nicer now but how much of that $180 million was spent on improvements for the average fan (who are the majority) rather than the big bucks people? Average fans got some improvement in restrooms (not everywhere in the stadium however), nicer concessions stands (which still have long lines) and that's about all I can think of. Big bucks people got the majority of the real improvements, far as I can see.
 

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The 14% drop is a recent topic and impacts the program to some degree so worth hearing from those in that 14%. That equals a lot of money not going back into the program. Those bonds will need to be paid back, we didn't rob people like UL.
He said he dropped his tickets in 2010. That was 6 years ago so he is not a part of the 14% drop.