https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...female-genital-mutilation-in-america-n2315966
If called hypocrisy and anything for a vote.
If called hypocrisy and anything for a vote.
Why are the feminist groups so silent on female genital mutilation?
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Here's the problem. The Left has been having some epic fails on basic human rights such as the FGM issue. And it leaves a giant void into which sometimes steps far right voices on these issues. And then sane people are left with siding with the far right on the issue or else being on the blatantly immoral and wrong side of the issue, such as not strongly condemning FGM out of a desire to be PC.
The Right has an opportunity to make some hay here by championing these issues but at the same time they have to condemn the far right in the process.
Hilary had her chance to do the Left version of this and she failed. Hilary could have won the election if she had basically said this over and over in the campaign:
"The US stands for classic liberal values. That means that other than direct calls for violence all people have the right to free speech anytime anywhere. Also we have absolute protection of minority rights. That means gays, women, minority groups, religious people, non-religious people, etc have the right to do whatever they want, including entering or leaving any religion they want. EVERYONE has these rights and will not be denied them. And note that included in this is the right to practice a religion even if other people think it's nutty. If you see someone dressed like a clown due to their religion you have the right to say anything you want to them and they have the right to say anything they want back to you but neither of you has the right to force the other to change."
That's it. That's off the top of my head. I'm sure if I were a political speechwriter and had some hours to wordsmith it I could make it sound way better. All she had to do was stand up for classical liberal principles and she'd be POTUS right now, not to mention she'd go down a lot better in history.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is not a far right voice, she too was a victim. These are basic human rights and the left in general and feminists in particular are silent. The right is speaking out which only makes the left look even more out of touch and just trolling for votes.
Hillary needed far more than just this one speech. Read my post on her campaign written by two liberals. Her campaign had huge issues, the first of which was Hillary and her many, many frailties (very much like Nixon).
I've known who Ayaan Hirsi Ali is for a long time. She's fantastic. I recommend reading her book "Infidel." She's not far right at all. I wasn't taking about her. I was talking about some genuinely far right people that think the Muslims are all evil, yadda, yadda that are too often the only voices speaking on issues like this because the Left cowardly refuses to condemn certain forms of misogyny and homophobia and intolerance. Either you're against all of it (whether it comes from elements on the Left or the Right) or you're not against it at all.
Hillary just needed to stand up (in stump speech after stump speech I mean, not just once) strongly for classical liberal values.
You're forgetting that the modern Dem party is about identity politics. You can't offend an "identity" that the Dems are pursuing for votes. Why did Hillary not speak out about the violence on campuses across the country stifling free speech, she desperately wanted their votes and was willing to sacrifice "liberal values" in the process.
This is the battle going on in the Dem party. What do they stand for?
You're right, the Dems are becoming way too much into identity politics. That's a problem for them and it ought to be. OTOH the GOP hasn't historically been enough for classical liberal principles although they're slowing edging that way. (By "classical liberal principles" I mean free speech, minority rights, etc, that kind of stuff, not things like health care and issue like that.) If the GOP could take over the classical liberal principles issue WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY JETTISONING THE FAR RIGHT they could make a lot of hay.
We only have two political parties in this country and neither of them are for classical liberal principles. Sad.
I wonder if most just close their eyes, their ears, and their minds while pretending that such gastly acts do not occur. Wake up, folks! This is really real and has no place in a civilized society. Yet it IS occurring in significant numbers within THIS country. And yet so many see little to be concerned about when we hear about Islam, sheria law , etc. When will we wake up? Need to watch Europe very closely .
I hope this doctor gets many years in prison and I would look to see if the parents can also be punished. It would send a powerful message. I don't care if it is cultural or religious, it must end. This is multiculturalism run amok. Immigration works only when immigrants assimilate.
I really just have no idea what your trying to say. The left accept FGM because it's done by Muslims?
Actually FGM can be cultural not due to religion. But yes, the feminist say nothing because it might cost the Dems votes amongst that community. Also, libs support multiculturalism and this is one example of the results of that philosophy. Some cultural practices are abhorrent and anti-western values/anti-American values.
How else do you explain their utter silence? They blast Bill O'Reilly yet let Bill Clinton walk. Why? Because Bill is a Dem.
http://www.feminist.com/violence/spot/fgm.html
http://www.feminist.org/global/fgm.htmlIs
https://www.change.org/p/fgm-abolit...minist-statement-on-female-genital-mutilation
As for Bill Clinton, I've seen many liberal articles stating that supporting Bill Clinton --- and Hillary was complicated, and some that flat out said it was wrong.
Your obsession with the identity politics conspiracy theory is out of control. I don't deny identity politics, but to say that everything on the left is based on nothing but manipulation is just ridiculous.
Boom, give me a break, it is all about identity politics. This mutilation of young girls is inexcusable yet the feminist say nothing. There certainly not shy about speaking out against anything conservative.
I just gave you three examples of liberal feminist sites that discuss it in detail?
Three sites? That's it? No protests? No demonstrations? No demands for Congress to act? Feminist leaders can easily get massive amounts of attention by going on networks to highlight this issue but I haven't seen any.
BTW, one of your links is from the U.K. And a second link says the content has been removed. Nice try.
No, here’s what CNN is focused on...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/20/politics/kfile-sessions-psychoanalyze/index.html
Trump merely talked about grabbing Female genitals and the Feminists along with the rest of the Left went apoplectic. Boomer too.
Now here is a blatant case of mutilations of Female genitals and the Left is comatose. Even boomer isn't as upset with this as he is over Christians holding prayer sessions in Public schools.
Articles in papers or on blogs is demonstration of feminist activism? Please, give me a break. No protests. No constant imagery on tv (where feminists can certainly get featured). No activism to mobilize sentiment.
They can march in DC for abortion and get 1 million liberal feminists to show up. But can't do anything to stir up action against this barbarism. Why? They want those votes. Why did the feminists back up Billy Clinton after his actions? It all depends on which side of the aisle is doing the dirty deed.
busted on the Left for total rank hypocrisy when it comes to "feminism"
It's all about voting Left, that's all it is.
(and killing unwanted Children)
Sometimes I feel like I get something from discussing certain things with you paxxx and even ATL, but many times I think you guys are just crazed for your own personal ideals and foolishly rigid in your negative attitudes towards other Americans. Your rage clouds your "Christian" acceptance, patience, and humility. IMO
Boom, look at this honestly. Have you seen feminists' protests against this mutilation? Heck, even Ayaan Hirsi Ali was prevented from speaking at a University for her views, including this barbarism at Brandeis. Have you seen them go on tv night after night until something is done? Have you seen them do even a small fraction of what they did for their pro abortion march?
Writing an article is not going to do anything to stop this barbarism. They protected Bill Clinton. It is all political to them. Try reading articles written by Camille Paglia, an original feminist and Bernie Sanders supporter. She blasts modern feminism for their hypocrisy.
I just can't understand how you would the no this isn't an issue women are against. Organizers marched against Trump, against pro-life sentiment, but not against this....and you see it as democratic conspiracy identity politics strategy? I just think you are off the deep end. The protests bother you, but you want more? Hypocrisy isn't everywhere on the left (it exists for sure - does on the right too). But you are making a strategy out of calling any liberal ideology a farce. It's just not accurate.
This is not about liberal ideology. It is all about hypocrisy. Feminists say they are for female rights, equal pay, against inappropriate sexual advances, etc. Yet, they supported Bill Clinton even after all of his assaults and rape became known. That is called hypocrisy as even Camille Paglia notes. Why did the feminists look the other way, because Bill is a Dem.
Female genital mutilation is another example of blatant hypocrisy. Feminist are first and foremost liberals. They therefore want Muslim votes. And some in the Muslim faith, particularly from Africa, view this barbaric practice as essential to keeping women from having sexual urges. Feminists don't want to upset this constituency. So, they do almost nothing about it even though it harms those the feminists claim they want to protect.
But by that argument, then Trump has also sexually assaulted, right?
And do you think all the feminists and democrats in the nation assemble somewhere and decide that FGM would lose Muslim votes, so let's not care about it? Go to any woman's organization, and I guarantee it's discussed. Not everything is a conspiracy for political strategy.
Man...you just don't get it. The many,many women that courageously came forward to talk about their horrible experiences at the hands of Bill Clinton are ALL liars. Now...that despicable Bill O'Reilly is another story.
LOL. "Go to any woman's organization, and I guarantee it's discussed." Yeah, that will stop it. I don't know if Trump has sexually assaulted. There were claims that he did, but no proof. We have proof that Clinton assaulted Paula Jones. He paid her $850K and he lost his law license for lying to a judge. Yet, the feminists stuck with him. In fact, Paula Jones was vilified by feminists. She was called traitor park trash by James Carville. No feminist reaction to his slander.
Feminists are hypocrites. When it serves their narrow interests they seek all sorts and kinds of publicity to enhance their cause. On this issue, nothing of any significance. Why? Votes!
Exactly. O'Reilly accused of talk. Clinton actually assaulted and was accused of actual rape. Crickets from the feminists on Clinton and O'Reilly's head. Sounds about right to me.
Distinction with no difference. Feminists leaders call the shots. What to elevate and what to ignore. The rank and file don't get to go on tv. They don't make policy.
Does this mean you now agree that they are hypocrites just trolling for votes in support of their agenda?
This means I am thinking you have respect for the core values of feminism as supported by many Americans as being legitimate, and not degrading it by accusing it of being simply some political strategy of securing votes.
Modern feminism has been hijacked. I have 5 daughters. I want them treated fairly. I want them to have every opportunity their talent permits. I want them to be safe in the work place. But my adult children hate modern feminists. They view them as anti-male and almost solely focused on abortion. They view them as hypocrites since feminists choose sides on these kinds of issues, particularly sexual harassment. Again, some of the women that lead this movement believe the same things.
http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenint...ked-by-upper-middle-class-professional-women/
This is a post and an argument with validity and weight, imo. I respect your view and agree that politics have strangled the intentions of many social movements and activist organizations. When your posts are less generalized and more accepting of liberal ideology, your arguments carry much more weight. Maybe it doesn't matter to you, but I'd really love to have legitimate political discourse in this nation again.
Boom, there seems to be one side mostly responsible for lack of political discourse and it is your side. 91% negative media coverage of Trump. Even today, after he freed an American hostage, neither ABC nor NBC found time in 6 hours of coverage to even mention it. Would that have happened if Obama freed that poor woman? No way! It would have lead the news. Add to that, the campus riots and assaults at the mere thought of having a dialogue or hearing other points of view.
I love to debate but when the media presents just one side, rationale debate is nearly impossible.