So they can play wide receiver? I don't really expect an answer but maybe God is logged in to the MMB and can render an opinion.
Why burn two QB redshirts
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Dana figures he's not going to be here long enough to worry about whether a player redshirts or not.
He wont be here to worry about it but it was dumb to do it for WR....not an area of need if you still don't have an average QB
If you can convince Sills he is a standout WR someday then just maybe he won't transfer while he is watching lower rated guys struggle in front of him. I don't get it. These guys are superstars in high school with some great offers and they come here and sit while the lower recruit with mid major offers gets the time. I know that happens at times. Pat White wasn't highly recruited at qb but it is a trend with Holgorsen and it really worries me.
This is a mind boggler! This might have been the dumbest thing a WVU HC has ever done while at the helm! If he would've played qb, i wouldn't have been happy w/ it being so late in the season. But at wr, im pissed.
He looks like he could be a really good WR so that takes a little of the sting away, but I would rather have him as just a good QB than a really good WR.
Well if he is behind a sophmore, a redshirt freshman, and a true freshman in his class at QB I would say he made the correct decision. He looked like he has a lot of potential out there.
Now the real question. Why don't these guys do well in this system? I mean they have talent or they wouldn't have the offers they do. Crest is behind a community college transfer and Sills looked to be on his way to being buried on the depth chart behind Chug. Chugunov may be the real deal but what is with these high recruits sitting behind these less talented hard workers.
Childress was kinda the same story. They can't all be that lazy or not get the offense. What's the deal?
funny about decision making if this is true. if true & accurate, second week in a row it's said the players are deciding who plays & not the coaches. even in critical OT situations and games at No. 2 ranked opponents.
after the game dana said Sills, the 4th string QB, is "probably the best receiver on our team." we all saw that one coming & can believe the comment. better than Gibson & Durante. I smell despeartion although I don't think a Sills redshirt scenario matters at all.
yes I cheered when Sills made some nice, unexpected plays against Baylor's D, which is hardly world beating.
but it is a tell tale sign of the leadership of this program right now. Smallwood torches OK St & Shell supposedly decides who goes in in the OT in a virtual must home win.
I wonder if Nick Saban consults players as to who should go in & in lets 18-22 year olds dictate critical situations.
Think Bob Huggins asks his guys gee would you like to play tonight at Kansas? talk about knowing your team & what to do.
after the game dana said Sills, the 4th string QB, is "probably the best receiver on our team." we all saw that one coming & can believe the comment. better than Gibson & Durante. I smell despeartion although I don't think a Sills redshirt scenario matters at all.
yes I cheered when Sills made some nice, unexpected plays against Baylor's D, which is hardly world beating.
but it is a tell tale sign of the leadership of this program right now. Smallwood torches OK St & Shell supposedly decides who goes in in the OT in a virtual must home win.
I wonder if Nick Saban consults players as to who should go in & in lets 18-22 year olds dictate critical situations.
Think Bob Huggins asks his guys gee would you like to play tonight at Kansas? talk about knowing your team & what to do.
A more pressing question is how come Dana's highest rated QB recruits are better suited to play WR? Has he seen Skyler throw a football? If his other recruits are worse than that at the QB position we are in deep doodoo! That meens we have Chugs who may be able to play QB and that's it. In five dang years we have one "possibly" good QB recruit? And if Dana is the one judging his talent he may not be worth the gun powder it'd take to kill him. According to Dana Ford Childress would be playing on Sundays. And Paul Millard was a first ballot hall of famer. Then thye stepped onto the field and it was quickly evident that wasn't the case. Things haven't changed much have they?
The whole QB situation is really what annoys me. We need to see how someone else plays in meaningful game time, unless they are just absolutely awful. If that is the case then it is some of then worst recruiting ever here and we've had a few.
Wait just a second, guys. As everybody knows, I'm no fan of Holgorsen but all the same it seems a bit much to be angry with him over burning the Sills redshirt today.
Someone upthread suggested it shouldn't have been done "so late in the season." Well, the decision probably was made earlier in the week. At that point only 5 games had been played already, and there were at least 7--presumably an 8th in a bowl--still remaining.
I can't find too much fault with the decision since more than half the games were still ahead of us. Clearly Holgorsen felt it was an area of need. Given that our 2015 WR consistency has often resembled the 2013 group, I don't blame him.
Plenty of other areas are more long-term concerns ripe for legitimate criticism. This one appears defensible...and is certainly small potatoes in the bigger picture even if you think I'm wrong.
Someone upthread suggested it shouldn't have been done "so late in the season." Well, the decision probably was made earlier in the week. At that point only 5 games had been played already, and there were at least 7--presumably an 8th in a bowl--still remaining.
I can't find too much fault with the decision since more than half the games were still ahead of us. Clearly Holgorsen felt it was an area of need. Given that our 2015 WR consistency has often resembled the 2013 group, I don't blame him.
Plenty of other areas are more long-term concerns ripe for legitimate criticism. This one appears defensible...and is certainly small potatoes in the bigger picture even if you think I'm wrong.
Mr GOWVU, we'll have to agree to disagree on thay one sir! 45% of the season has past and Sills had a chance to give us 4 full yrs of qb play, which we desperately need! We dont need another WR! And to hear that Holgs allowed him to make this decision?! That might be worse than the act itself! If u ask the majority of incoming frosh if they wanted to get playing time right away or sit out a season, they'll pick right away! How could this be better 4 our team?
Ah, faulty memory for me about Crest then. I was still surprised to see Sills at WR where we have some depth and not at quarterback, where we seem to have little. Why not let another QB get a series here and there to keep him interested in the program? If he isn't capable of playing QB it just makes the question of our QB recruiting even more suspect. Crest and Sills aren't even on the depth chart at WR. Wonder how the guys actually listed at WR feel about this? I think the receivers we have are pretty good - If Howard gets better they will look better.
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Holgs burned the Sills redshirt out of desperation. Sills was questioned about the decision but the decision was Holgs. OK............if the redshirt was going to be burned..............why did Holgs not burn the redshirt about 6 weeks ago? After all, Sills showed himself to be a great receiver in the latter part of the Baylor game. Did he just become a very good receiver in a dream that Holgs had yesterday?
One, Holgorsen has more immediate concerns than the 2019 roster. Two, even if he is still the coach, one player, no matter how good Sills turns out to be, having used up his eligibility should not be that critical when we will have had the opportunity to add about 100 new players between now and 2019.
Of course, one must also point out that because Holgorsen has already had the opportunity to add about 100 new players since 2012, that it's absurd to say that any of our current issues can even slightly be attributed to anyone who preceded Holgorsen.
Finally, I'd invite anyone to take a look at our 2011 roster and explain to the board the grounds for arguing this team has more talent or depth than Holgorsen inherited. Do a side-by-side of the units on both sides of the ball. Can you identify a single unit that is measurably better? Personally, I think a highly debatable claim that we are a little better at DB and RB is plausible. I don't think it's plausible to claim any of the other units are even as good, let alone better.
Ask yourself this as well: Which teams from WVU's past would this team beat more often than it got beat?
Of course, one must also point out that because Holgorsen has already had the opportunity to add about 100 new players since 2012, that it's absurd to say that any of our current issues can even slightly be attributed to anyone who preceded Holgorsen.
Finally, I'd invite anyone to take a look at our 2011 roster and explain to the board the grounds for arguing this team has more talent or depth than Holgorsen inherited. Do a side-by-side of the units on both sides of the ball. Can you identify a single unit that is measurably better? Personally, I think a highly debatable claim that we are a little better at DB and RB is plausible. I don't think it's plausible to claim any of the other units are even as good, let alone better.
Ask yourself this as well: Which teams from WVU's past would this team beat more often than it got beat?
So a coach recruits QB prospects that are so athletic that they need to be on the field immediately..... Even at not their intended position
And it is a recruiting failure?
Is there some rule in the NCAA now that eliminates multi-positional players?
What if by his junior year, he is the TCU's Boykins? Same career path
And it is a recruiting failure?
Is there some rule in the NCAA now that eliminates multi-positional players?
What if by his junior year, he is the TCU's Boykins? Same career path
By strategy, not ability. Sills LITERALLY has been playing himself out of the redshirt via his scout team performances
I would say Sills' contribution once he chose to go eligible was the bery definition of immediate....
Did you ever think Sills will not be playing QB and decided to give WR a try? Maybe it took him this long to learn the plays. He is a new guy you know. He did a good job so I don't see why you have to get you granny panties in a bunch.
I'm sure that Sills life has now been ruined by Dana Holgorsen. But right now he looks to be having too much fun to realize his dire predicament.
Sills will probably do something stupid like keep enjoying playing football and get a college degree at the same time. His future is bleak. But meanwhile it's good to know that we have posters who really know what is best for Sills.
Sills will probably do something stupid like keep enjoying playing football and get a college degree at the same time. His future is bleak. But meanwhile it's good to know that we have posters who really know what is best for Sills.
So you are saying that our 4th string quarterback was playing WR on the scout team all along instead of learning the offense from the QB position?
Our problem is clearly at QB, not WR. How can a WR be expected to catch a ball that's 15 feet over his head or thrown short on the long routes? If the ball was on target, our receivers would catch it. I like Howard's toughness, but if he's the best we have Dana's recruiting has been a disaster.
A little OT, but I thought Sills made a nice catch in bounds on a play where he was ruled out of bounds. We got a first down due to a roughing the passer call, but we should have had 20 additional yards on the play too. Did anyone offer an explanation for why it was not reviewed?
Lgm!
Lgm!
Did you folks ever sit back and think about why USC backed off of Sills when he was a junior in HS after offering him a scholarship as a QB when he was 13?
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. The kid is a helluva an athlete, but he's not ready to be a college QB. He may never be.
WVU is stuck with a short John Talley at QB for this season.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. The kid is a helluva an athlete, but he's not ready to be a college QB. He may never be.
WVU is stuck with a short John Talley at QB for this season.
I'm not sure you know what "scout team" players do................... they learn the opponent's plays to help our players SCOUT the upcoming game.
Even at QB, Sills would have been, and initially was, learning and running other team's plays, NOT WVU's
There was a coaching change; it was Kiffin who offered Sills. That said, it seems obvious that the ridiculously early "offer" was something of a publicity stunt . Sills was obviously one of those not uncommon kids who was more precocious than supremely talented. What did USC have to lose? If Sills matured into a top-notch prospect they had the inside track, and if he didn't they just amicably part ways. Sills had nothing to lose by playing along. Even if he was not quite up to USC QB standards when he reached his senior year he still received the benefit of the wide exposure and hype.
I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that he doesn't have the ability to play QB in the future just because USC under a new coach (whose judgment might be questioned, considering recent events) backed off. USC even with it's current issues is and always will be an easy place to recruit and has been QB magnet historically. USC passes on lots of QBs and other players we would love to have. Likewise, just because we used him at WR to shore up a thin position with someone who gives us things our other receivers don't have (height, hands, ball skills) and that are pretty helpful with a shaky QB who literally just tosses balls up for grabs, doesn't mean he can't compete for and maybe win the QB job down the road.
I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that he doesn't have the ability to play QB in the future just because USC under a new coach (whose judgment might be questioned, considering recent events) backed off. USC even with it's current issues is and always will be an easy place to recruit and has been QB magnet historically. USC passes on lots of QBs and other players we would love to have. Likewise, just because we used him at WR to shore up a thin position with someone who gives us things our other receivers don't have (height, hands, ball skills) and that are pretty helpful with a shaky QB who literally just tosses balls up for grabs, doesn't mean he can't compete for and maybe win the QB job down the road.
Well thanks for all the replies. I will officially tone down my reaction from "WTF MAN!!" to "Hmmm, the plot thickens".