Lol, why do we have to go there? Best response you could come up with?
True, but Georgia wasn't Alabama.
Why can't Penn State get over the 'hump?
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Forced on her how? Did the Barron or the PSU Board mandate she agree to that contract?
She might have easily called Franklin’s bluff wrt the USC or other jobs. He wasn’t getting hired there and only the amateurs were tossing around that kind of long-term $. Most of them have been burned or taken drastic measures after developing buyer’s remorse.
It doesn’t take much of a leader to realize a 10-year financial millstone when it presents itself. She didn’t want to be bothered with making a contingency hiring plan.
Barbour may not be the entire problem, but she’s the majority of it.
One would expect that exactly what Georgia “did something about it” would be common knowledge among the fraternity of coaches and ADs, and these coaches and ADs would, naturally, try to replicate these methods.
So: what’s the blueprint for PSU going forward? Let’s address, for example, the talent discrepancy between PSU and, specifically, Ohio State. How do we fix that? Is there a blueprint for this isolated piece? We have a lot of pieces need fixing.
I'm just pointing out where money is being wasted and could be put to better use.
Get rid of the one 10-year constant and try something new. We have better talent than Michigan (on paper). There is no blueprint, but odds are a coach is is more likely to win a NC within four-five years of being hired than longer than that. If Harbaugh wins he’s bucking the trend. De Boeur (sp?) will be on trend if he wins. I’d say bet on Washington.
This topic was discussed last week and here is the synopsis from that thread….
Why can’t Penn State get to the National Championship Game, similar to Michigan and Washington? Similar to Pennsylvania, the states of Michigan and Washington are not fertile recruiting grounds. In addition, both Michigan and Washington are not bringing in Top 5 or Top 10 recruiting classes year in and year out. Both schools don’t have fantastic facilities, they have average to good facilities like Penn State. Both schools are not doling out multi-millions in NIL, similar to Penn State. Michigan and Washington are not warm weather environments, similar to Penn State. Michigan and Washington have proved that you don’t have to be an SEC team to get to the National Championship Game.
Penn State is struggling or failing in Coaching and Player Development.
Why can’t Penn State get to the National Championship Game, similar to Michigan and Washington? Similar to Pennsylvania, the states of Michigan and Washington are not fertile recruiting grounds. In addition, both Michigan and Washington are not bringing in Top 5 or Top 10 recruiting classes year in and year out. Both schools don’t have fantastic facilities, they have average to good facilities like Penn State. Both schools are not doling out multi-millions in NIL, similar to Penn State. Michigan and Washington are not warm weather environments, similar to Penn State. Michigan and Washington have proved that you don’t have to be an SEC team to get to the National Championship Game.
Penn State is struggling or failing in Coaching and Player Development.
Good read.
Georgia, Now Maybe Washington: 2 Recent Penn State Bowl Opponents Have Raced Past Nittany Lions Toward Title Dreams
The problem with Penn State football is that there is no single answer to why the Nittany Lions can't quite get over the hump. Penn State is not a programwww.statecollege.com
A lack of cheating?
Many Penn State fans actually believe that. They also believe there is a Big Ten conspiracy to keep Penn State from winning the Championships with biased officiating. Especially against tOSU and Michigan. So in that context, why would we foolishly spend $ to make improvements to the program.
What Smart convinced the powers that be a UGa to do was spend money, with a vengeance. Others have followed suit, including PSU. Where UGa clears the field is it's recruiting budget, last reported at $4.5mm, $1.5mm clear of the runner-up, Clemson. PSU is in the top 15 at $1.5mm, less than Rutgers, but more than OSU.
NB helps that UGa is located in extremely fertile recruiting territory.
Once the money is there, it's what the spenders do with it that translates to results on the field.
Back on track to the original OPs question ”Why can’t Penn State get over the hump?”
IMHO multiple reasons why PSU can’t get over the hump. We had our “momentum” chances back in 2016-2017, a few times after 19’ and 22’. Those were coaching errors not winning a handful of those close losses. We win a few more of those games and the Front Running, band wagon kids of today “4* & 5* Jimmy's & Joes” come, hence improve the roster and thus make winning..coaching easier.
We have proven we are a second tier team in the Big10. Some here think 10 wins are great fine…next years schedule if we win 10 we will be lucky and don’t see that improving with ease after that. So hint hint start resetting your expectations.
We have heard and know that Pennsylvania isn’t fertile recruiting ground anymore…well neither is Washington or Michigan for that matter but they are competing for the Natty tomorrow night-Why? Recruiting obviously Is always a common denominator, transfers can fill major gaps when you are 1 or 2 players away and of course coaching. Yes Michigan has nostalgia. Those 2 schools are also in/near major cities, include OSU with its miniature city that helps recruiting, the southern warmth and the proximity of the fertile recruiting helps the SEC schools, obviously. State college isn’t a destination for most kids of today-this makes recruiting highly difficult as we all know so how to get over the hump…Winning, winning, winning…
For now Recruiting isn’t going to change much for PSU, we will continue to get the players we are used to getting. The transfer portal, well that’s a crap shoot for the most part-too many variables with regards to what makes that transfer decide to go E.g. immediate playing time, winning program, NIL money etc.
Excited for the new OC, hope he has the autonomy to run the offense he wants to run, call the plays he wants during the game in rhythm. He seems to put his players in situations that are advantageous to their skill sets and ability to execute vs. running a system regardless if the athletes fit etc. Defensively we seem to be in good shape there year over year.
This is where the rubbber meets the roads boys, Coaching. Win games that you are not favored to win is the only thing that will get Penn State over the hump. I hope Franklin is successful here and with the new OC he allows him to do his thing.
IMHO multiple reasons why PSU can’t get over the hump. We had our “momentum” chances back in 2016-2017, a few times after 19’ and 22’. Those were coaching errors not winning a handful of those close losses. We win a few more of those games and the Front Running, band wagon kids of today “4* & 5* Jimmy's & Joes” come, hence improve the roster and thus make winning..coaching easier.
We have proven we are a second tier team in the Big10. Some here think 10 wins are great fine…next years schedule if we win 10 we will be lucky and don’t see that improving with ease after that. So hint hint start resetting your expectations.
We have heard and know that Pennsylvania isn’t fertile recruiting ground anymore…well neither is Washington or Michigan for that matter but they are competing for the Natty tomorrow night-Why? Recruiting obviously Is always a common denominator, transfers can fill major gaps when you are 1 or 2 players away and of course coaching. Yes Michigan has nostalgia. Those 2 schools are also in/near major cities, include OSU with its miniature city that helps recruiting, the southern warmth and the proximity of the fertile recruiting helps the SEC schools, obviously. State college isn’t a destination for most kids of today-this makes recruiting highly difficult as we all know so how to get over the hump…Winning, winning, winning…
For now Recruiting isn’t going to change much for PSU, we will continue to get the players we are used to getting. The transfer portal, well that’s a crap shoot for the most part-too many variables with regards to what makes that transfer decide to go E.g. immediate playing time, winning program, NIL money etc.
Excited for the new OC, hope he has the autonomy to run the offense he wants to run, call the plays he wants during the game in rhythm. He seems to put his players in situations that are advantageous to their skill sets and ability to execute vs. running a system regardless if the athletes fit etc. Defensively we seem to be in good shape there year over year.
This is where the rubbber meets the roads boys, Coaching. Win games that you are not favored to win is the only thing that will get Penn State over the hump. I hope Franklin is successful here and with the new OC he allows him to do his thing.
Frail, Old, White ego....That is the most juvenile comment...sounds like something Ken Frazier would say. Frail, yup i have kidney failure and cancer...Old, yup i am on Social Security...White, yup God made me this way, and i had to work for everything my family has.
Agreed that 2023 highlights how close we came to making the playoffs...the WR room failed to yield a difference maker, we lost against O$U and Meatchicken due the lack of ability of our coaches for sudden, in-game moves by the other coach, and an OC who feared too much. Overall, only the D-Line exceeded expectations YOY. Note that its NOT the talent, its not the attitude of our players, and its not due to lack of resources. This non-sense that the jet jobs from the PAC 10 can compete year to year with us year has yet to be proven.
The real harm to PSU is that the once pre-eminent fan base sounds like the losers from IOWA where there is really no true belief in their heart that they deserve excellence. When the adults in and around the program rise to the level our current level of mental toughness and motivation, then we will finally be back to the pre-Sandusky level of global domination.
A quick story....it isn't that the fans feel they do not deserve better...it is that the BOT has shown THEY do not care. The actions of 2011 by our own BOT was unjustified and a pure hostile show of force. The BOT felt minimized and jealous of the influence that JoePa and Graham received from students and alumni. The BOT greatly underestimated how their actions to disgrace them would create a poop storm...then doubled down by replacing Graham with a puppet and watched as our academic standing plummeted. Why do i feel this to be true? I know a member of our Alumni Assoc. was scheduled to donate a million dollars ($1,000,000.00) toward women's softball....but pulled the donation because of the actions and continued attacks upon Joe and the football team....this is not an isolated response by Alumni toward the BOT. Amazing how simple this could be rectified however you will never hear that. The Peach Bowl honored Joe as one of only two Head Coaches to win the Bobby Dodd award twice for team excellence on the field, in the classroom, and in the community....yet all you hear from our BOT is crickets.
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