Entertainment is Marvel Comics movies. If this isn't more than that, we gotta rethink this.
Why Fitz should stick with Jim ONeil for 2022
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This is one of the worst takes from someone not named corbi I've seen on this board
Do you consider pro Football to be entertainment? Similar game and you watch it for similar reasons With college FB you may watch a particular team for additional reasons but basically you watch the game for entertainment
Thank you. You have affirmed my position. Entertainment may be the result of college football, but historically, that has not been its intent. If it were, Northwestern would be contending for the #1 spot in the polls year after year, having abandoned both any pretension of being the academic stronghold it has struggled to become, as well as the principle that athletics are central to the development of well rounded people. That has become corrupted, yes, into entertainment. So, while you are right, you are wrong.
Yes, much more so than College football. Go back to the origins of college football. Was that entertainment (primarily)? For the players. or for the fans?
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Not really anymore. If you wanted it to be about the camraderie, keeping in shape through exercise that it was about then, there is intermural FB or you could watch Ivy League games (although even they have changed). But it is not really about that anymore. There would be no scholarships and host of people earning a living for positioning them to do their best. No TV broadcasts and a host of other things. It is every bit as much about entertainment now as the pro game. Back stories a bit different but otherwise
I'd like to know what the players would say it like that. My guess is that they would see it as entertainment on some level, but for themselves personality?
There's a reason they didn't give him a chance. They are in the business of trying to win football games.
I for damn sure pray we don't give him a chance, but I'm guessing that you're going to get your wish. And that just sucks my big hairy balls.
Not much as they know why they are there. Those other things are now side issues or benefits. They are not living in the fantasy land you seem to think college football represents. For example, wasn't it just ruled that the players are, in fact, employees?
Just realize, all he is doing is posting the argument that someone that didn't think he should be fired might make. Since he had already questioned the hire when many others were salivating over the hire, I do not think you can say that his position is that he should be kept as DC beyond this year
Where have I said college football is a fantasy land? It's a lot of hard work, which should be compensated, given what others make off of their effort. that, however should not take away from the ideas college football originated from. The roots remain, even if the tree has changed.
I am suggesting that college football of today is as much connected to the entertainment world as pro sports are. You are living in fantasy land where it is more of a pastoral past time
For the proponents of college football as entertainment, here's a more cogent view--from none other than NU's incoming President:
“I am deeply committed to the idea of student-athletes,” Blank said. “Athletics teaches focus, discipline and teamwork, all qualities that benefit these students in their future careers. When you compete, you should compete to win; but we should always put the health and well-being of our students ahead of athletic success. These are students, not professional athletes.”
I'm hopeful that what she is used to in terms of the performance of Wisconsin in hoops and basketball will set the bar for what she expects for NU athletics as well.
I hope that means that JON's days at NU have a ceiling of Summer 2022 marking the day that she arrives. May she move swiftly and surely (hopefully within days if not hours) to ensure that this travesty is immediately addressed upon her arrival.
It will be Fitz’s call if / when a change occurs. Maybe JON will turn things around and we’ll still get to a bowl. 7 games left on the schedule…
Yeah, it will be Fitz's call, but executives can make it clear what is expected and what is unacceptable, and in doing so, it will become obvious that JON and those who allow otherwise will have no place at NU.
Honestly, if Fitz is so dumb that he will protect JON at the expense of the program, then asmuch as I value everything else Fitz has contributed and brings to the table, I'd rather he go and we get someone else. JON is that damaging to his legacy and to the program.
And maybe JON will turn things around? What drugs are you smoking? C'mon, let's be realistic.
In other words, football builds character? That is a dubious proposition at best as can be attested by the fact that a significant number of NFL players have been arrested for domestic violence and sexual assault and other varieties of sociopathic behaviour. So let's not romanticize this issue. In today's environment, big time college sports feeds a sense of entitlement among elite athletes and encourages aggressive and at times predatory behaviour that often overshadows any gains in self-discipline or team building.
If colleges were really committed to the idea of using athletics to help students ,i.e., to become physically fit, they would scrap all these semiprofessional teams and devote those resources to developing programs where physical exercise is the focus, as was the original idea behind integrating intellectual and physical activity. Instead, the current environment encourages millions to devote their free time to be passive spectators so they can be entertained.
ESPN originated as the "Entertainment and Sports " network. This is why people watch football. To be entertained. There is nothing ennobling about being a football spectator. Sitting in a stadium in a bar or in your den cheering on alma mater does nothing to build character. We do it to be entertained by the players on the field.
There is nothing inherently wrong in being entertained. Watching football in a stadium with thousands of other screaming spectators can be an exhilarating collective experience as I'm sure was the case when ancient Romans watched gladiators kill each other in the Roman Colosseum. But let's not kid ourselves. We watch because we are entertained by this ritualized violence that we witness on the field every Saturday. The Freudians among us can speculate on what all this means psychologically.
The bottom line is that college football IS entertainment. The bigger question is whether colleges should be in the entertainment business.
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Well, that's a cynical view, which the "current environment encourages", although pretty much on target. No, there is nothing wrong with being entertained. I have known a number of actual college football players personally--Wisconsin, NU, NC, ND, Nebraska, as I'm sure you have as well. I would be very surprised if any of them would say their football experience was not a character building experience. I would also be very surprised if Fitz would say that. A small sample to be sure, but you can (and probably should) separate the experience of the player from the experience of the fan. Most if not all the best universities have strong athletic programs across the board, as well as strong intramural programs. Reason being, to educate well rounded people and help to build character. Football and basketball are not the exceptions to that, they are (perhaps extreme) extensions of that. Why not at least try, have this over-arching goal? If we give in to what the current environment encourages, might as well not even have universities.
Look, there is some character building but if it wasn't for people wanting and willing to pay (in different ways) to watch, the programs would not really exist. It is entertainment first and any character building of the individuals is a secondary benefit. just like that they get an education out of it (these are benefits to the players but not really to the fans. You can feel good that it is occurring but that is about it). The entertainment value pays the bills and everything else is secondary. Nice that you like the side benefits but they are benefits to 85-100 guys while the entertainment value is for tens of thousands if not more
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